Sheehan's set pieces

[Thracian]

But it happens too often.... Just not a defender that can be relied on IMO

I don't think anything has happened very often to any of our defenders this season. As 9 clean sheets in 17 matches helps to indicate. Teams are lucky to get a handful of decent chances a game against us - and that's been the case for most of the League season.

[Thracian]

Yes, were did I say they weren't, I still detest them though. They're unsporting and are part of the must win attitude of proffesional sport these days that I hate.

Perfectly valid point and one I agree with.

[Manwell Pablo]

Only Kentons two, and Stearmans against Southampton, did not come from set-pieces. I think.

Well Mr Sheehan still has 9 assists to go before he surpasses the "awfull set pieces" of Danny Tiatto and Levi Porter last season then.

[ibbosuk]

I actually get excited when we have set pieces now because i know that we have someone who can deliver a good ball in the box

Thats interesting :laugh:

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Sheehans corners were quality and hopefully it continues to be a potent threat

[Thracian]

Well Mr Sheehan still has 9 assists to go before he surpasses the "awfull set pieces" of Danny Tiatto and Levi Porter last season then.

Call it how you like Manwell. I know the stats only count a direct assist - ie the pass previous to the shot that scores - but the chances Sheehan is creating are there for all to see and virtually every week.

No manager is his right mind is going to chuck those opportunities away as has been clear so far.

[Manwell Pablo]

Call it how you like Manwell. I know the stats only count a direct assist - ie the pass previous to the shot that scores - but the chances Sheehan is creating are there for all to see and virtually every week.

No manager is his right mind is going to chuck those opportunities away as has been clear so far.

They're the stats your the stat monger not me.

but on a serious not I can only think of one Alan Sheehan set piece which he hasn't got credit for as it was headed on by paddy.

I'm not saying he shouldn't play it's not as if we're flush with options on the left at the minute is it?

[The People's Hero]

Call it how you like Manwell. I know the stats only count a direct assist - ie the pass previous to the shot that scores - but the chances Sheehan is creating are there for all to see and virtually every week.

No manager is his right mind is going to chuck those opportunities away as has been clear so far.

You're the one who constantly supports ridiculous assertions and arguments with fabricated, mis-quoted or just plain wrong 'stats'.

Speaking of which, I should be playing in goal for us.. we've never let in a goal when I've played.

[Thracian]

You're the one who constantly supports ridiculous assertions and arguments with fabricated, mis-quoted or just plain wrong 'stats'.

Speaking of which, I should be playing in goal for us.. we've never let in a goal when I've played.

Back to the usual level of debate I see.

[The People's Hero]

I'm not coming down to your level on this one Thracian - but Manwell has made a good point there.

No one is knocking Sheehan's set pieces... but the stat is interesting. Clearly we're either not converting set pieces as effectively as we did last season OR Sheehan's set pieces appear good but are not effective.

Personally, I was impressed with his set pieces vs Cardiff. Having said that, a stronger keeper would have had no problem claiming every single ball.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm not coming down to your level on this one Thracian - but Manwell has made a good point there.

No one is knocking Sheehan's set pieces... but the stat is interesting. Clearly we're either not converting set pieces as effectively as we did last season OR Sheehan's set pieces appear good but are not effective.

Personally, I was impressed with his set pieces vs Cardiff. Having said that, a stronger keeper would have had no problem claiming every single ball.

Actually my point was that the bruisers in the box are half the reason we score so many goals from set pieces.

[The People's Hero]

Actually my point was that the bruisers in the box are half the reason we score so many goals from set pieces.

Well whatever your point was, I agree with you.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Manwell's right, we've had Kisnorbo and McAuley knocking in goals all of last season from set pieces too. But because it's Sheehan the delivery is highlighted in a way that was never done with Tiatto although I'm sure Porter got his fair share of credit for his assists from his fan club.

If anything this highlights just how poor we've been attacking-wise from open play this season, both in creating chances and in finishing them (Campbell and Fryatt have been particularly wasteful of the few chances we do create).

[Thracian]

Manwell's right, we've had Kisnorbo and McAuley knocking in goals all of last season from set pieces too. But because it's Sheehan the delivery is highlighted in a way that was never done with Tiatto although I'm sure Porter got his fair share of credit for his assists from his fan club.

If anything this highlights just how poor we've been attacking-wise from open play this season, both in creating chances and in finishing them (Campbell and Fryatt have been particularly wasteful of the few chances we do create).

Porter's delivery was often rubbished by the same people who sought and still seek to ridicule Sheehan and who basically still can't accept that, contrary to their comments, he's become a decent player in our team and the first choice of most fans and for good reason.

Indeed while someone like Kisnorbo, Fryatt or Clemence could probably do anything wrong and hardly have it mentioned those same people are guaranteed to be tearing Sheehan to pieces at the first error he makes.

They tried hard enough as it is with comments suggesting some other goalkeeper would have collected his crosses.

That's like me saying if Ferdinand was centre-back none of our central strikers would ever have scored. It's ridiculous conjecture and had I said it about Tiatto's corners or free-kicks last season I'd have been mocked and rightly so.

[Jimmy]

Porter's delivery was often rubbished by the same people who sought and still seek to ridicule Sheehan and who basically still can't accept that, contrary to their comments, he's become a decent player in our team and the first choice of most fans and for good reason.

Indeed while someone like Kisnorbo, Fryatt or Clemence could probably do anything wrong and hardly have it mentioned those same people are guaranteed to be tearing Sheehan to pieces at the first error he makes.

What? Fryatt is 1 of the most abused players on here, second only to Stearman on many occasions

[Thracian]

Manwell's right, we've had Kisnorbo and McAuley knocking in goals all of last season from set pieces too. But because it's Sheehan the delivery is highlighted in a way that was never done with Tiatto although I'm sure Porter got his fair share of credit for his assists from his fan club.

If anything this highlights just how poor we've been attacking-wise from open play this season, both in creating chances and in finishing them (Campbell and Fryatt have been particularly wasteful of the few chances we do create).

Don't look at me. I have constantly tried to include three big players in our line ups - including centre-backs - specifically to take advantage of Sheehan's crosses.

And I've commended Kisnorbo/McAuley lots of times for their goals contribution which quite possibly saved us from relegation last season.

It's your pal who wants Fryatt there all the time.

[Manwell Pablo]

Porter's delivery was often rubbished by the same people who sought and still seek to ridicule Sheehan and who basically still can't accept that, contrary to their comments, he's become a decent player in our team and the first choice of most fans and for good reason.

Indeed while someone like Kisnorbo, Fryatt or Clemence could probably do anything wrong and hardly have it mentioned those same people are guaranteed to be tearing Sheehan to pieces at the first error he makes.

They tried hard enough as it is with comments suggesting some other goalkeeper would have collected his crosses.

That's like me saying if Ferdinand was centre-back none of our central strikers would ever have scored. It's ridiculous conjecture and had I said it about Tiatto's corners or free-kicks last season I'd have been mocked and rightly so.

oh stop being so melodramatic! I'm just saying the people scoreing the goals, the same goals they were scoreing without wonder boy taking the set pieces both this season and last, deserve some credit!

Take Sheehans set pieces away he's shown a good improvement but he's still horribly average still gets turned and seems to have taken to getting himself booked when he gets done, which as with his apparent "assists" is pretty much every game.

I'm not denying his come on leaps and bounds and in the current squad you have to consider him for a starting place every game. You sometimes seem to mistake people attempting to pour cold water on some of the ridiculous praise you give to academy grads as people "having a go" at the players these players, they aren't.

Clemance can do plenty wrong he's been average as well. I've brought Paddys distrubution up plenty of times this season, aside from that he has played very well and deserves the credit he recieves, and as Jimmy says, Fryatt is one of the most abused players on here despite being one of our better players this month.

[The People's Hero]

oh stop being so melodramatic! I'm just saying the people scoreing the goals, the same goals they were scoreing without wonder boy taking the set pieces both this season and last, deserve some credit!

Take Sheehans set pieces away he's shown a good improvement but he's still horribly average still gets turned and seems to have taken to getting himself booked when he gets done, which as with his apparent "assists" is pretty much every game.

I'm not denying his come on leaps and bounds and in the current squad you have to consider him for a starting place every game. You sometimes seem to mistake people attempting to pour cold water on some of the ridiculous praise you give to academy grads as people "having a go" at the players these players, they aren't.

Clemance can do plenty wrong he's been average as well. I've brought Paddys distrubution up plenty of times this season, aside from that he has played very well and deserves the credit he recieves, and as Jimmy says, Fryatt is one of the most abused players on here despite being one of our better players this month.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks mate, that's the nature of the beast.

[Thracian]

oh stop being so melodramatic! I'm just saying the people scoreing the goals, the same goals they were scoreing without wonder boy taking the set pieces both this season and last, deserve some credit!

Take Sheehans set pieces away he's shown a good improvement but he's still horribly average still gets turned and seems to have taken to getting himself booked when he gets done, which as with his apparent "assists" is pretty much every game.

I'm not denying his come on leaps and bounds and in the current squad you have to consider him for a starting place every game. You sometimes seem to mistake people attempting to pour cold water on some of the ridiculous praise you give to academy grads as people "having a go" at the players these players, they aren't.

Clemance can do plenty wrong he's been average as well. I've brought Paddys distrubution up plenty of times this season, aside from that he has played very well and deserves the credit he recieves, and as Jimmy says, Fryatt is one of the most abused players on here despite being one of our better players this month.

They've been given credit. As for the bookings I think that's the first time you've ever singled anyone out about their bookings. Whatever next.

How about some criticism of the three-match ban Fantasy Fryatt got for being sent-off so unnecessarily at a time when we've hardly got a single striker to call on. Predictably there's barely been a mention.

[The People's Hero]

How about some criticism of the three-match ban Fantasy Fryatt got for being sent-off so unnecessarily at a time when we've hardly got a single striker to call on. Predictably there's barely been a mention.

That's strange because I could have sworn that's about the 20th time you've mentioned it.

[Manwell Pablo]

They've been given credit. As for the bookings I think that's the first time you've ever singled anyone out about their bookings. Whatever next.

How about some criticism of the three-match ban Fantasy Fryatt got for being sent-off so unnecessarily at a time when we've hardly got a single striker to call on. Predictably there's barely been a mention.

Balls sacks I used to get on at McCarthy for it all the time!

I've not actually seen that but if he's elbowed someone in the face in the last minute of the game then he's an absloute fool. No disputing that.

[Fez of Mahrez]

They've been given credit. As for the bookings I think that's the first time you've ever singled anyone out about their bookings. Whatever next.

How about some criticism of the three-match ban Fantasy Fryatt got for being sent-off so unnecessarily at a time when we've hardly got a single striker to call on. Predictably there's barely been a mention.

He'd just turned in a man of the match display away from home against a team 4th in the league, scoring a brilliant goal and winning us the game - then got sent off for something very few of the fans in the away end could see and Barber and Guppy seemed to be bemused as to what it was actually for.

I'm one of Fryatt's biggest critics but it's the timing of it.

[Thracian]

He'd just turned in a man of the match display away from home against a team 4th in the league, scoring a brilliant goal and winning us the game - then got sent off for something very few of the fans in the away end could see and Barber and Guppy seemed to be bemused as to what it was actually for.

I'm one of Fryatt's biggest critics but it's the timing of it.

Lisa insists he never touched anyone for the sending off. But the authorities must be convinced from the video replays yet the fact remains there's barely been one word of criticism. You never heard the last of it when Sheehan was sent off against Crewe.

Yes Fryatt's goal was excellent and welcome. But 3 goals in 20 is still way short of what we need from a principal striker and the guy continues to frustrate because so many opportunities are going to waste. Not that he's alone in his shortcomings.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Lisa insists he never touched anyone for the sending off. But the authorities must be convinced from the video replays yet the fact remains there's barely been one word of criticism. You never heard the last of it when Sheehan was sent off against Crewe.

Yes Fryatt's goal was excellent and welcome. But 3 goals in 20 is still way short of what we need from a principal striker and the guy continues to frustrate because so many opportunities are going to waste. Not that he's alone in his shortcomings.

There's no way he's played 20 games this season.

[The People's Hero]

This exciting flurry of debate AND I've just found a fiver I didn't know I have in my pocket.

Does it get any better than this?

Does it?

(No.)