OriginalRobboFOX Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I thought last night some of his crosses from open play were excellent. I thought he was excellent down the left flank Crosses from open play and some quality corners cant carry a poor defender though. He gets caught out too often and makes silly errors and gets his token booking.... This is a recurring event too...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I thought he had a good game last night, especially first half. But his crossing from open play is nowhere near the standard of his set pieces. Jonny Hayes crossing looked quite decent as well. I think there's some hope down the left hand side right now, which wasn't looking the case a few weeks ago.Sheehan is improving and fair play to the lad. If he can learn to defend a bit better and his awareness and crossing from open play improves then we'll have a very good player at this level. I'm not sure. He's played well the last couple of games and actually looked a bit more committed but until I see him closing down on a consistent basis I can't see him making a good Championship left-back. He's okay for where we are now but if Mandaric is serious about promotion we're going to need better players than Sheehan to get there (only singling him out because the thread is about him - the same applies to most of our players).
Ric Flair Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I'm not sure. He's played well the last couple of games and actually looked a bit more committed but until I see him closing down on a consistent basis I can't see him making a good Championship left-back. He's okay for where we are now but if Mandaric is serious about promotion we're going to need better players than Sheehan to get there (only singling him out because the thread is about him - the same applies to most of our players). As i've said, he needs to improve on his defending and general awareness. He is improving though, it's just whether we'll let him continue to improve or get a complete left back in come January. This division is a shit house though, the teams I see doing well don't actually have quality dripping throughout their squad. It's the togetherness and understanding of how to grind out wins that get's them where they are. That's why these teams then struggle in the Premiership as it is about quality in the top flight. I think Holloway will get this team playing as an actual team, which irrespective of the lack of quality we'll start to win more and more games.
breadandcheese Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Crosses from open play and some quality corners cant carry a poor defender though. He gets caught out too often and makes silly errors and gets his token booking.... This is a recurring event too... Yes, but when he's playing as a left winger, I'm not sure it's such a problem. He was only moved to fullback because Mattock was not getting tight enough to his man and was on a yellow.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 As i've said, he needs to improve on his defending and general awareness. He is improving though, it's just whether we'll let him continue to improve or get a complete left back in come January. This division is a shit house though, the teams I see doing well don't actually have quality dripping throughout their squad. It's the togetherness and understanding of how to grind out wins that get's them where they are. That's why these teams then struggle in the Premiership as it is about quality in the top flight.I think Holloway will get this team playing as an actual team, which irrespective of the lack of quality we'll start to win more and more games. I think it's going to be a bit more complicated than just getting them playing as a team. They played as a team last night but the chances were still few and far between. Common sense maybe but I can't see us winning games consistently until we're laying chances on a plate for our strikers. That's not a simple thing to put right - they've got to do less work outside the box and concentrate more on getting into good positions to finish moves off. Far too often our buildup play involves both strikers outside the box and there is no-one getting in behind to finish when the cross comes in. How many clear chances did we have from open play last night? Far too few yet again. It's up to the midfield to do more work rather than just win the ball and pass the buck to Fryatt and Hume. It drives me mad to see us win the ball in our half and just thump it upfield with no-one supporting from midfield. First half of both the Bristol City and Cardiff games Fryatt was running directly for goal every time and although he looked dangerous, we looked more dangerous as a team when he was holding the ball up in the second half of those games (although he tired last night) and we had a chance to get numbers up in support.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Sheehan is starting to play a key role. The team clearly looks to him for a decision on set pieces, giving him first option on all the attacking ones which it testoimony to what they the club thinks of his ability in that department. Furthermore it is equallly obvious that much work is going on in training to hone those skills and vary them. Sheehan tried many different deliveries into the box tonight but not in a hopeful way. He looked up and made a decision. Beckham, of course, did it for years but there's every sign that City are starting to realise they have a special weapon in Sheehan and that the more free-kicks and corners they can get the more chance of Sheehan conjuring a breakthrough. What also pleased me again last night was that Sheehan has also improved in other ways. He'll never be fast and I don't think he'll ever be an especially tight marker - he will mark the zone, delay people and wait for help because getting tight will always leave him vulnerable to being turned and the ball getting into the space behind him. Many players do that nowadays because fouls can be so costly and because zonal marking is so much safer against fast, talented opponents. However while Sheehan always had excellent attacking ability and quality on the ball he had some serious weaknesses defensively which he's clearly worked on. Most obviously he is much more responsible within the team and no longer goes forward in a kamikazi manner oblivious to whether he has cover. He has improved his heading no end. For a tall bloke he was too often beaten in the air but yesterday I cannot remember him being beaten once and it's not the first time I've noticed the improvement. His tackling last night and willingness to cover back was keen and effective (as JFH might well have remembered on one particular occasion) and he's become outstanding at finding space to receive the "out" ball either for defenders or wide players like Hayes. Finally, and it is a major strength of our defence generally, he hardly ever gets caught ball watching now. He looks at the picture and covers the space far better than in the past. Consequently it is less likely his limited speed will be exposed or his unease when forced to turn quickly. Nils used to disguise his weaknesses in much the same way but unfortunately offered much less going forward. It is a mark of Sheehan's achievements this season that from a situation where very few expected him to be at the club let alone in the first team, he must be very close to a 100% first choice now. His results record as a first team player is outstanding and what has especially pleased me is that our defensive record has also been exceptional while he's been in the team. That's not just down to Sheehan, not by any means, but it does show that he become a perfectly competent defender which, added to his special strengths as an attacker make him a valuable and still improving player. I'm pleased for him and I'm pleased that the fans have seen it too and are giving him support. I still think one or two might have a go if he hits a rough patch but, generally, I think the pride is growing in a number of young players who are now showing signs that they really can cope with first team football.
eaststandtom Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I thought last night some of his crosses from open play were excellent. I thought he was excellent down the left flank he was. has an excellent left peg and strikes a ball superbly showing signs he is improving well slow and lazy?? no way
breadandcheese Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I think it's going to be a bit more complicated than just getting them playing as a team. They played as a team last night but the chances were still few and far between. Common sense maybe but I can't see us winning games consistently until we're laying chances on a plate for our strikers. That's not a simple thing to put right - they've got to do less work outside the box and concentrate more on getting into good positions to finish moves off. Far too often our buildup play involves both strikers outside the box and there is no-one getting in behind to finish when the cross comes in. How many clear chances did we have from open play last night? Far too few yet again. It's up to the midfield to do more work rather than just win the ball and pass the buck to Fryatt and Hume. It drives me mad to see us win the ball in our half and just thump it upfield with no-one supporting from midfield. First half of both the Bristol City and Cardiff games Fryatt was running directly for goal every time and although he looked dangerous, we looked more dangerous as a team when he was holding the ball up in the second half of those games (although he tired last night) and we had a chance to get numbers up in support. Couldn't agree more. I was impressed with Cardiff's ability to take the ball down and pass, even when under pressure last night. This was something we didn't look entirely comfortable doing, which is a shame, because the times when Fryatt and Hume looked excellent was when we did pass the ball about in the final third. I felt Fryatt faded when we didn't pass the ball as much in the dangerous areas. Obviously, Rome wasn't built in a day and all those cliches, but I'm sure this is something that'll be worked at on the training ground.
Ric Flair Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Sheehan is starting to play a key role. The team clearly looks to him for a decision on set pieces, giving him first option on all the attacking ones which it testoimony to what they the club thinks of his ability in that department.Furthermore it is equallly obvious that much work is going on in training to hone those skills and vary them. Sheehan tried many different deliveries into the box tonight but not in a hopeful way. He looked up and made a decision. Beckham, of course, did it for years but there's every sign that City are starting to realise they have a special weapon in Sheehan and that the more free-kicks and corners they can get the more chance of Sheehan conjuring a breakthrough. What also pleased me again last night was that Sheehan has also improved in other ways. He'll never be fast and I don't think he'll ever be an especially tight marker - he will mark the zone, delay people and wait for help because getting tight will always leave him vulnerable to being turned and the ball getting into the space behind him. Many players do that nowadays because fouls can be so costly and because zonal marking is so much safer against fast, talented opponents. However while Sheehan always had excellent attacking ability and quality on the ball he had some serious weaknesses defensively which he's clearly worked on. Most obviously he is much more responsible within the team and no longer goes forward in a kamikazi manner oblivious to whether he has cover. He has improved his heading no end. For a tall bloke he was too often beaten in the air but yesterday I cannot remember him being beaten once and it's not the first time I've noticed the improvement. His tackling last night and willingness to cover back was keen and effective (as JFH might well have remembered on one particular occasion) and he's become outstanding at finding space to receive the "out" ball either for defenders or wide players like Hayes. Finally, and it is a major strength of our defence generally, he hardly ever gets caught ball watching now. He looks at the picture and covers the space far better than in the past. Consequently it is less likely his limited speed will be exposed or his unease when forced to turn quickly. Nils used to disguise his weaknesses in much the same way but unfortunately offered much less going forward. It is a mark of Sheehan's achievements this season that from a situation where very few expected him to be at the club let alone in the first team, he must be very close to a 100% first choice now. His results record as a first team player is outstanding and what has especially pleased me is that our defensive record has also been exceptional while he's been in the team. That's not just down to Sheehan, not by any means, but it does show that he become a perfectly competent defender which, added to his special strengths as an attacker make him a valuable and still improving player. I'm pleased for him and I'm pleased that the fans have seen it too and are giving him support. I still think one or two might have a go if he hits a rough patch but, generally, I think the pride is growing in a number of young players who are now showing signs that they really can cope with first team football. Good grief, I actually didn't have to change my facial expression much when reading that.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Good grief, I actually didn't have to change my facial expression much when reading that. I hope it wasn't a deep frown.
Thracian Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Bollocks. That was one of his bad moments. He sold himself to the defender by charging in like a headless chicken rather than moving over into a good position (Wasn't it you a few weeks ago saying he was more of a positional, zonal marker than a tough tackling fullback?), then fouled him to make up for it. Sheehan was excellent tonight but don't make out that his one poor moment was clever. It really wasn't. I didn't suggest for a moment it was clever. I said that, having made a misjudgement he make the best decision to minimise the mistake. No question. That could well have been a goal otherwise and I'm 100% sure he recognised that and took the safest option.
MPH Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 I'm not sure. He's played well the last couple of games and actually looked a bit more committed but until I see him closing down on a consistent basis I can't see him making a good Championship left-back. He's okay for where we are now but if Mandaric is serious about promotion we're going to need better players than Sheehan to get there (only singling him out because the thread is about him - the same applies to most of our players). his corners were excellent last night yet Casper isnt that tall for a keeper and you could see by the amount of compaining he was doing to his defenders that they were worrying him. Amazing save from Stearman though... It concerns me what will be done about sheehan..... Once the January transfer window comes.. will they look for a more solid LB and sacrifice his undoubted ability from set pieces...? Its a tough call... we would be much further down the table if you take sheehan out of it...
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 his corners were excellent last night yet Casper isnt that tall for a keeper and you could see by the amount of compaining he was doing to his defenders that they were worrying him. Amazing save from Stearman though...It concerns me what will be done about sheehan..... Once the January transfer window comes.. will they look for a more solid LB and sacrifice his undoubted ability from set pieces...? Its a tough call... we would be much further down the table if you take sheehan out of it... This my friend is utter bollocks...
Mighty Muzzy Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Warner Bros are looking for actors to star in their newest movie.....wait for it....."Bend it like Sheehan"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 This my friend is utter bollocks... Do you people actually like Thracian's stat attacks or something?
potter3 Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 This my friend is utter bollocks... Not really, how many goals have come from set-pieces already this season, Sheehan's took most or all of them too.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Not really, how many goals have come from set-pieces already this season, Sheehan's took most or all of them too. It is mate. To say that if Sheehan had not played we'd be further down the table is utter tosh. There are other people in the team that can take a free kick. He is a poor defender at best. Simple as.
Jack Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 It is mate. To say that if Sheehan had not played we'd be further down the table is utter tosh. There are other people in the team that can take a free kick. He is a poor defender at best. Simple as. That is a bit harsh don't you think, he's not the best left back we've ever had but he is far from poor
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 That is a bit harsh don't you think, he's not the best left back we've ever had but he is far from poor Maybe thats a bit harsh. But its sheer stupidity for people to band around statements like, 'We'd be a lot further down the table had it not been for Sheehan.....'
Jack Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Maybe thats a bit harsh. But its sheer stupidity for people to band around statements like, 'We'd be a lot further down the table had it not been for Sheehan.....' Ye i agree with you on that one, but i would say he is better than 'poor'
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Ok. We're agreed he is above 'poor' and that we wouldn't neccesarily be in any different a position in the table had it not been for Sheehan??
Jimmy Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 It is mate. To say that if Sheehan had not played we'd be further down the table is utter tosh. There are other people in the team that can take a free kick. He is a poor defender at best. Simple as. Really? that's why since Muzzy left, we have had shit delivery from all set pieces until this year, when Sheehan finally became a regular
Jack Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Ok. We're agreed he is above 'poor' and that we wouldn't neccesarily be in any different a position in the table had it not been for Sheehan??
Jack Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Really? that's why since Muzzy left, we have had shit delivery from all set pieces until this year, when Sheehan finally became a regular As was posted the other day we are actually have less points this season than we did at the same point last season, so there is nothing there to suggest that having sheehan in the side has improves us and put us in a better league position
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 27 November 2007 Posted 27 November 2007 Really? that's why since Muzzy left, we have had shit delivery from all set pieces until this year, when Sheehan finally became a regular Hume can take a decent free kick. As could Joey G too.
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