Spot fooking on Ollie

[Guest]

Can help feeling Ollie is covering his own arse. I would have expected to have seen an upturn in our results by now if he was as good as he thinks he is, even with the same players. Methinks MM must be feeling the same.

If you gave a master craftsmen a pile of manure, would you expect him to create a masterpiece?

[davieG]

If you gave a master craftsmen a pile of manure, would you expect him to create a masterpiece?

You need an Artist not a Craftsman to create a master piece from a pile of manure.

Is Ollie an award winning artist?

Could he win the Turner Prize with our squad?

This year's winner the Dancing Bear, we could sure use him in midfield

[Guest]

Is Ollie an award winning artist?

Tracey Emin, maybe.....

[davieG]

Tracey Emin, maybe.....

Well we've had a few piss artists in charge and these Turner prize winners seem to be taking the pi........

[teblin]

Tracey Emin, maybe.....

is that the Wallow in filth and call it art girl?

[Thracian]

We're not going down - thats for sure. But there's something not right deep down. Hope I'm wrong

Why's that "for sure"?

I'm not especially pessimistic at this stage but it would hardly be the biggest football shock of all time that we went down. We've flirted with relegation for seasons enough - and don't seem to be any more cohesive as a side.

I remember this time last season we were saying it will all be okay come to the transfer window. But the window opened then closed and all we did between times was wave at the other clubs passing by.

Now it's all about this season's window. We've supposedly lined up all these wonderful players who are certain to want to play for us despite the fact that we might lose all or a good number or our next five or six fixtures and be firmly fixed at the foot of the table or at least very close.

So you're presuming a hell of a lot to me.

Quality players will have other people after them and you have to ask why they would choose to play for us instead of a club chasing promotion who will doubtless offer the same sort of wages.

Ah but they all love Ollie some might say. But we'll see about that. Footballers are notoriously fickle and the perfectly serious fact remains that Ollie has to survive until the transfer window.

And, while a point a game will perhaps suffice in the miserable circumstances in which we find outselves I'm not sure that anything up to eight points, say, in his first 12 matches in charge would necessarily guarantee his safety.

As I say it is not that I feel any of the above is a likely scenario. Or that in any way I'd want it to happen to Holloway. But either that or something close to it is perfectly possible because I remember how blinded by the light we all were in the summer and what actually transpired.

It won't help, either, that a whole lot of players at our club right now will well know that they haven't got a future here which is not going to be the best thing for morale at a time of year when we historically play so badly.

Far from worrying about the still fairly distant transfer window. We need to focus on winning the next match. And the one after that.

[Fez of Mahrez]

People judge Allen on the Watford result - winning by three goals at home to a top two team, yet refuse to judge Holloway on the Bristol City result - winning by two goals away against a top six team. Our performance in the first 45 against Forest in the first game was far worse than anything under Holloway yet.

[Hullfox]

I remember this time last season we were saying it will all be okay come to the transfer window. But the window opened then closed and all we did between times was wave at the other clubs passing by.

That was only on the basis that MM would be in.

He didn't arrive until after the window closed therefore there was no money available.

Let's judge the seriousness of his intentions by the forthcoming window.

[davieG]

No manager under MM has had a chance to prove whether they could succeed not even Kelly who didn't have the so called better imports to work with.

There has been a general maliase at this club since the MON/Taylor era every manager has had to work against some sort of restriction.

I'm not sure if Holloway is the man to break this malaise but he's the latest in the hot seat and we really do have to give some one a serious chance of doing so sooner or later so it may as well be him.

The most we should expect this season, yet again is not to get relegated and some solid foundations put in place so that by the season end everyone associated with the club can see some genuine progress and some serious potential, siginifacant enough to make me at least want to buy another ST because I will not allow myself to be conned yet again by broken promises of improvement.

[James.]

People judge Allen on the Watford result - winning by three goals at home to a top two team, yet refuse to judge Holloway on the Bristol City result - winning by two goals away against a top six team. Our performance in the first 45 against Forest in the first game was far worse than anything under Holloway yet.

Indeed.

Hence my campaign (currently a 2 man campaign but a campaign nevertheless).

[Fez of Mahrez]

Indeed.

Hence my campaign (currently a 2 man campaign but a campaign nevertheless).

I think you've just discredited your campaign.

[Thracian]

People judge Allen on the Watford result - winning by three goals at home to a top two team, yet refuse to judge Holloway on the Bristol City result - winning by two goals away against a top six team. Our performance in the first 45 against Forest in the first game was far worse than anything under Holloway yet.

Quite the contrary, for my own part. I was really uplifted by reports from the Bristol game because we seemed to soak up pressure sensibly and then break with speed and attitude. There was plenty of Leicester attacking and we might well have had more goals.

That positive feeling remained for the far-from-easy Cardiff match when I thought we really battered them in our search for a winner in the last half an hour or so. Nil-nil it might have been but I really enjoyed the contest and was delighted with four points from two games and being back to having a team which seemed reasonably well balanced and definitely up for winning.

What I cannot understand is why he moved from that sort of approach in the difficult games against Bristol and Cardiff to the utterly defeatist starting line-up against Burnley and the equally bizarre approach to the West Brom game?

The point we got at Burnley was no excuse, we should have been slaughtered before we got to the second half and the whole performance contributed to the cloud of depression which has now enveloped us.

I won't ask if you can justify the Burnley approach or the WBA nonsense where we left out key creators, because so many diehards can ignore or justify anything we do and have often said the means justifies the end whether that attitude encourages more of the same or not.

As for the Forest match, Allen deserved lambasting for that performance, but it was perfectly clear that the Cup was not in any way a priority to him and, indefensible as that attitude was, it is hardly relevent to judge him by it, especially as it we fielded a much changed team from memory and it was only half a game anyway.

Defend Holloway all you like - I am quite sure he CAN be an excellent manager. But we should have had at least eight points from his reign so far instead of five and he has gone from fielding his best available side at the start to fielding some tactical half-side.

If that's fine by you it doesn't impress me.

In my view he seems to have started playing people for political rather than performance reasons. Just like Kelly did. And it's cost him vital points already.

[The People's Hero]

I think you've just discredited your campaign.

Champagne you say?

Why not.

[James.]

I think you've just discredited your campaign.

Please contact The Reverend with any future comments.

[Fez of Mahrez]

In my view we've played two of the best sides in the division (WBA by personnel and league position, Burnley by recent form and all of that coming against top teams) and been found to be quite average. I thought it was strange that he dropped Sheehan and King too but I'd have taken a point before the Burnley game and I don't think there was any possible team that would have done much better against WBA. That's why they have players who cost £3million. King came on and did nothing. Sheehan might have put in a better delivery with a corner or two but that's about it. We've missed Fryatt desperately in the last few games after he'd had his best game in a Leicester shirt.

[The People's Hero]

Without the talismanic Fryatt,

We've never looked so uninspyatt.

[Fat Ron]

In my view he seems to have started playing people for political rather than performance reasons.

What political reasons Thrac?

[Linekaaaah]

The Bristol City and Cardiff results were up there (if such a term can be used) with the best parts of our season-so-far. A great away win, and a game we would have won without the superhuman exploits of Schmeichel should have set us on our way.

But, hey ho, it didn't, and now we're back in familiar territory... on the verge of propping up the league, an

underperforming/achieving team and losing two home games (and before anybody cries out 'dodgy penalty' - so fcuking what! it's football - it happens! - whining isn't gonna change the result, is it?)

I wish people would get this seige mentality out of their heads and stop harping on about MA or GM or whoever or whatever. They're nothing to do with this club anymore. Holloway's here, and until January comes, he's stuck with what he's got. He didn't get us into the mess we're in now. He got a couple of good performances out of us - 4pts from 2 games when we should have had 6, and now things are going a bit belly up. That isn't cause to pre-empt his sacking before the transfer window opens. If we don't get a point from now til the new year, I won't be calling for Ollie's head, because I don't think for one moment we'll be pushing for promotion now. On the same note, I can't see us getting relegated either.

We all got optimistic at the start of the season. New owner, new manager, lots of, erm, shiny, new players. But it didn't work. And each and every decision made up until Ollies arrival seems to have been a bad one. Lets see if he can get some decent hard-working players in, quit worrying about which division we'll be in next season, cos if he gets it right, we'll still be in this one. Top 10 placing, some good solid results against the teams we SHOULD be beating, combined with some clever signings and trimming off the dead wood. That'll do me.

[Dames]

If he lasts untill January it would be nice to see a bit of a clear out before we get in some decent players.

To go:

Douglas

Nielsen

Hellings

Maybury

Newton

Kish

De Vries

Hammond (Ankle)

Djezeri

Ferriera - Dunno if these 2 have gone back already?

To sell if a decent offer comes in:

Stearman

Porter

Campbell/Fryatt (Too many Strikers)

Kaebi

Wesolowski (He will never be fit enough to play a full season so cash in)

McAuley (Too slow and would free up room to get a faster centerback)

[Linekaaaah]

I'd keep Stearman and Fryatt (getting rid of DJ), but otherwise, pretty much perfect.

[Thracian]

If he lasts untill January it would be nice to see a bit of a clear out before we get in some decent players.

To go:

Douglas

Nielsen

Hellings

Maybury

Newton

Kish

De Vries

Hammond (Ankle)

Djezeri

Ferriera - Dunno if these 2 have gone back already?

To sell if a decent offer comes in:

Stearman

Porter

Campbell/Fryatt (Too many Strikers)

Kaebi

Wesolowski (He will never be fit enough to play a full season so cash in)

McAuley (Too slow and would free up room to get a faster centerback)

Interesting.

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Ten out and six more if the right offer comes although there'll be no offers for Porter this season.

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[Fez of Mahrez]

No offence mate but that list is pie in the sky. We aren't where we are by accident. Nobody is going to be offering en masse for our lot.

[Hullfox]

The Bristol City and Cardiff results were up there (if such a term can be used) with the best parts of our season-so-far. A great away win, and a game we would have won without the superhuman exploits of Schmeichel should have set us on our way.

But, hey ho, it didn't, and now we're back in familiar territory... on the verge of propping up the league, an

underperforming/achieving team and losing two home games (and before anybody cries out 'dodgy penalty' - so fcuking what! it's football - it happens! - whining isn't gonna change the result, is it?)

I wish people would get this seige mentality out of their heads and stop harping on about MA or GM or whoever or whatever. They're nothing to do with this club anymore. Holloway's here, and until January comes, he's stuck with what he's got. He didn't get us into the mess we're in now. He got a couple of good performances out of us - 4pts from 2 games when we should have had 6, and now things are going a bit belly up. That isn't cause to pre-empt his sacking before the transfer window opens. If we don't get a point from now til the new year, I won't be calling for Ollie's head, because I don't think for one moment we'll be pushing for promotion now. On the same note, I can't see us getting relegated either.

We all got optimistic at the start of the season. New owner, new manager, lots of, erm, shiny, new players. But it didn't work. And each and every decision made up until Ollies arrival seems to have been a bad one. Lets see if he can get some decent hard-working players in, quit worrying about which division we'll be in next season, cos if he gets it right, we'll still be in this one. Top 10 placing, some good solid results against the teams we SHOULD be beating, combined with some clever signings and trimming off the dead wood. That'll do me.

No good will come of you writing sensible stuff on here. You mark my words.

[Linekaaaah]

No good will come of you writing sensible stuff on here. You mark my words.

Hmmmm, i'll bear that in mind. Still, it relieved some much needed tension.

Should I stick with 'suicidal' or is the in-thing currently 'gleefully optimistic'?

[Dames]

No offence mate but that list is pie in the sky. We aren't where we are by accident. Nobody is going to be offering en masse for our lot.

Not exactly but if we offer them about properly instead of sticking them on the transfer list and hoping for the best we would get somewhere.

The 2 loanees can be sent back at anytime, De Vries and Kish will probably end up at Leeds for little or no fee at all so thats 4 already. Douglas is out on loan and probably won't be back, Nielsen is quoted as saying he's hoping to line something up in Denmark. Newton and Maybury would probably have something to offer in Scotland or League 1 and if it means losing them on a free then so be it.

I admit though Hellings and Hammond would be tricky to get rid of.

As for the to be sold if the right offer comes in list it wouldn't be a problem getting an offer for any of those players.