Hull Post Match Thread

[Thracian]

That's brilliant Thrach, when exactly are you going to give him a fair chance? Your call for support was tucked away at the end of a dozen digs.

Supporting Holloway continuing as manager and ignoring the facts concerning what he does are two different things.

I didn't want him, I've not been impressed with much of what he's done so far and I would never recommend that a manager criticise his players in public under any circumstances arising out of football.

But taking the broader view I believe it would serve no purpose at all to have another change. I didn't want the first one in the summer.

[reynard]

This has to be one of the worst results of the season. Judging from feedback of those who went we sound as if we were terrible.

So despite a significant investment in players, 3 managers the truth is as a team we are worse than last season. No cohesion, playing quality no better at all and the problems so apparent from the last few seasons not addressed.

1 can't score. no decent strikes signed! anyone who says DJ or cort are any good are in some kind of fantasy world.

2 can't create any chances. only 1 established midfielder signed and imo he is of dubious quality.

3 defense seen as strong area is really only average at best. none of our defenders would get into sides in the top 6.

No quality, no drive, no leadership, no tactics just a complete mess.

[Simon]

Didn't go to the game, and I hate making comments off the back of games I haven't been to, but my God the goals are dire. Sounds like Ollie knows that there's problems and nis looking to sort them out. If we can get 6 points between now and Jan just to tread to water then we'll be doing well, and then push on in January.

Just got my fingers crossed that he and the lads can pull something out of the bag, cause even I'm starting to get pessimistic now...

[reynard]

Supporting Holloway continuing as manager and ignoring the facts concerning what he does are two different things.

I didn't want him, I've not been impressed with much of what he's done so far and I would never recommend that a manager criticise his players in public under any circumstances arising out of football.

But taking the broader view I believe it would serve no purpose at all to have another change. I didn't want the first one in the summer.

You're correct here though just how long the current set of results can be tolerated remains to be seen. What if we lose every game between now and february? Should he still continue?

I didn't admire him at QPR and friends of mine who support them don't believe he will ever do more than get us halfway up the league.

[reynard]

Didn't go to the game, and I hate making comments off the back of games I haven't been to, but my God the goals are dire. Sounds like Ollie knows that there's problems and nis looking to sort them out. If we can get 6 points between now and Jan just to tread to water then we'll be doing well, and then push on in January.

Just got my fingers crossed that he and the lads can pull something out of the bag, cause even I'm starting to get pessimistic now...

Can you really see us getting 6 points from the next 3? games because at the moment I can't? The best result we are likely to get is a 0-0 draw and only that if we have a lot of luck.

[Thracian]

You're correct here though just how long the current set of results can be tolerated remains to be seen. What if we lose every game between now and february? Should he still continue?

I didn't admire him at QPR and friends of mine who support them don't believe he will ever do more than get us halfway up the league.

With the transfer window closed by then and Holloway having already brought some of his own players in I'd see little point in changing the manager again even if we subsequently get relegated.

As for your friends they'll will be dead right if he doesn't keep the players on his side. If players are strugling for some reason, a manager still needs to get the best out of them and the way to do that is not by embarrassing them in front of their team-mates but to discover what's is making a player perform below his best and do something to put it right.

That sounds obvious but it still requires perception and understanding. Simple motivational encouragement will only be effective for so long. A manager, with the help of trusted coaches, needs to first recognise failings and then adopt a strategy to improve or negate them.

Professional players, no less than people generally, hate to be humiliated or singled out as arseholes but they will often respond if someone quietly mentions a problem, demonstrates the evidence of that problem and then shows the player that he cares enough to work on putting it right.

The manager might still privately decide on getting a replacement or some cover but either way he keeps a struggling player in a positive frame of mind and probably gets him performing less badly than previously.

Simple man management skills really and Holloway will need them.

[SantiagoFox]

Just got back. That is the worst performance I've ever seen. Ever. From any club. They were awful in every department. Poor in the first half, lumping the ball up to two tiny strikers and an even tinier winger in Kaebi. Half time, they put the tiny men on the wing and brought on two lumps, and THEN tried to play a passing game. The only one who looked threatening in this system was Hume. Who was then brought off. An horrendous performance for all involved, including Holloway.

Spot-on analysis. Doubt if the Mercury will see it the same way.

Maybe the players are so thick they started responding to the pre-match team talk at half-time.

Best performance was from the Slapper in the White.

[davieG]

With the transfer window closed by then and Holloway having already brought some of his own players in I'd see little point in changing the manager again even if we subsequently get relegated.

As for your friends they'll will be dead right if he doesn't keep the players on his side. If players are strugling for some reason, a manager still needs to get the best out of them and the way to do that is not by embarrassing them in front of their team-mates but to discover what's is making a player perform below his best and do something to put it right.

That sounds obvious but it still requires perception and understanding. Simple motivational encouragement will only be effective for so long. A manager, with the help of trusted coaches, needs to first recognise failings and then adopt a strategy to improve or negate them.

Professional players, no less than people generally, hate to be humiliated or singled out as arseholes but they will often respond if someone quietly mentions a problem, demonstrates the evidence of that problem and then shows the player that he cares enough to work on putting it right.

The manager might still privately decide on getting a replacement or some cover but either way he keeps a struggling player in a positive frame of mind and probably gets him performing less badly than previously.

Simple man management skills really and Holloway will need them.

And stands a better chance of moving them on when the opportunity arises.

[Thracian]

And stands a better chance of moving them on when the opportunity arises.

Exactly. And in a mutually agreeable way. Important that because players talk to other players when they move and if a manager has a reputation for treating people properly then it is far more likely that target players will sign for him given a 50-50 decision. It is not always down to just the money. There's nothing to be gained from having people in the game bad mouthing you.

[SantiagoFox]

It was a complete dog's dinner.

I have never been so cold and depressed watching Leicester City.

As for taking the wingers off, don't be fooled that it was a poor decision they weren't wingers, they were spectators. Any one of the ten outfield players could have been replaced at that stage. At least it should a willingness to attack more. However, it's a shame that willingness didn't show any glimpses of being reality.

I suppose Holloway decided he'd rather see us lose with 4 forwards on the pitch than Kaebi who looks about 12 and was flattened every time he got the ball and Sheehan who was treading on eggshells after another ludicrously mistimed tackle that earned him a yellow card.

Positives? there were none. Seeing and listening to the Hull City supporters made me realise what a set of nobs I live among.

Plenty of knobs, but one Slapper In White!

Some good-priced boozers for you in Hull anyway.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is it with the Walkers To Wolves "campaign" ?

[Milky]

Plenty of knobs, but one Slapper In White!

Some good-priced boozers for you in Hull anyway.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is it with the Walkers To Wolves "campaign" ?

A lad on here called walkers has never been to a Leicester game.

[Hullfox]

A lad on here called walkers has never been to a Leicester game.

He's a lucky fooker him.

[krapcard]

Four players to sort us out in January

Graham Coughlin Rotherham

Kevin Gallen MK Dons

Tony Capaldi Cardiff

Blair Sturrock Swindon.

These will show us how football should be played.

ONWARDS AND DOWNWARDS

[Simi]

ONWARDS AND DOWNWARDS

I can see it on next years season tickets already.

[Tevez]

That chip shop was dodgy as fook yesterday.

[Tommeh]

That chip shop was dodgy as fook yesterday.

Agreed

Forking shithole.

[Jonbluefox9]

Just wanted to make a post regarding the match yesterday to get a few things off my chest. I haven't read any other posts in this thread so if I repeat anything that people have said then I apologise.

Watching the game yesterday was a painful experience. I don't think any of the outfield players could stand up and say "I did alright today" if they were being honest.

One of the most worrying aspects of the performance was the fact that Hull looked like they wanted it more than us. Their players were winning every second ball, closing us down before we had time to think and putting their tackles in. I don't think they were superior to us individually, on paper anyway, but as a unit they worked their socks off and won due to having bigger hearts than our players. That's 100 times worse than losing due to being technically worse than the opposition.

Our lack of attacking threat starts at the back where we have Kisnorbo and McAuley. Kisnorbo's inability to play a simple ball, along the floor and forwards was more evident than ever yesterday. Long balls aren't a crime but aimless punts forwards to Iain Hume and Matty Fryatt are! Hume's got great spring for a small man but he is not a target man and why we persist to play this style of football when those two play is beyond me. McAuley is slightly better but yesterday he was about as bad when it came to distribution.

I feel sorry for Joe Mattock. He wasn't very good yesterday but he isn't being set a very good example by the experienced players around him. I don't think playing him in this team is benefitting him in any way. For players like him and Andy King, who have come from a successful youth team with a winning mentality, this current situation must be unusual for them.

I could go on about individuals some more but generally it was a poor performance which lacked desire, creativity and intelligence.

[Thracian]

Just wanted to make a post regarding the match yesterday to get a few things off my chest. I haven't read any other posts in this thread so if I repeat anything that people have said then I apologise.

Watching the game yesterday was a painful experience. I don't think any of the outfield players could stand up and say "I did alright today" if they were being honest.

One of the most worrying aspects of the performance was the fact that Hull looked like they wanted it more than us. Their players were winning every second ball, closing us down before we had time to think and putting their tackles in. I don't think they were superior to us individually, on paper anyway, but as a unit they worked their socks off and won due to having bigger hearts than our players. That's 100 times worse than losing due to being technically worse than the opposition.

Our lack of attacking threat starts at the back where we have Kisnorbo and McAuley. Kisnorbo's inability to play a simple ball, along the floor and forwards was more evident than ever yesterday. Long balls aren't a crime but aimless punts forwards to Iain Hume and Matty Fryatt are! Hume's got great spring for a small man but he is not a target man and why we persist to play this style of football when those two play is beyond me. McAuley is slightly better but yesterday he was about as bad when it came to distribution.

I feel sorry for Joe Mattock. He wasn't very good yesterday but he isn't being set a very good example by the experienced players around him. I don't think playing him in this team is benefitting him in any way. For players like him and Andy King, who have come from a successful youth team with a winning mentality, this current situation must be unusual for them.

I could go on about individuals some more but generally it was a poor performance which lacked desire, creativity and intelligence.

:thumbup:

Hull's speed in closing down was a key point. They looked fit and determined. We didn't. Hull didn't look special in any way apart from their attitude. But what a difference there was in that.

[maddog]

Just realised we are in even bigger trouble in the next few games. QPR are playing Colchester and Norwich are playing S****horpe in the next match so if we lose to Wolves we are virtually guranteed to be in the relegation zone. Also Preston are playing S****horpe in a few games time so teams around us are guranteed to be getting some points so if we lose our next 2 games we are fooked.

Could possibly be 2 or 3 points inside the zone.

Its not looking good over the next few games unless we get a win.

The new players we get may turn out to be shit also and take a while to gel so it looks like we are going to struggle in a relegation battle this season

[WetFlannel]

a manager still needs to get the best out of them and the way to do that is not by embarrassing them in front of their team-mates but to discover what's is

thats the point i made about capello and ronaldo and i got mocked for it!

[davieG]

How motivational is this for the next 1/2 dozen games? If he's relying on this being a kick up the arse then it's very risky and surely something that would hav worked if said in private. admittedly he's got to let the fans know he's not happy with the performance but they could have been managed in a less destructive way.

Irrespective of the ability and motivation (isn't that supposed to be one of Ollies stenghts) we still have to get points from the next few games, I hardly think this sort of public statement will help us achieve that.

PS This is not an Ollie out post criticism of him is still allowed.

The Foxes went down 2-0 at the KC Stadium at the weekend and have now gone six games without a win, and Holloway has warned changes are on the way.

He said: "We were well and truly beaten, they had more fight and determination.

"I don't agree with transfer windows but I've never needed one to open so quickly in my life.

"I've got a lot more work to do than I first thought.

"You have to have some sort of morale and spirit of togetherness in any organisation and we were devoid of all that. It was totally unacceptable."

[The Reverend]

How motivational is this for the next 1/2 dozen games? If he's relying on this being a kick up the arse then it's very risky and surely something that would hav worked if said in private. admittedly he's got to let the fans know he's not happy with the performance but they could have been managed in a less destructive way.

Irrespective of the ability and motivation (isn't that supposed to be one of Ollies stenghts) we still have to get points from the next few games, I hardly think this sort of public statement will help us achieve that.

PS This is not an Ollie out post criticism of him is still allowed.

I actually disagree. I think that telling the players they have 4 games to save themselves from being relegated to the reserves and replaced with better players is all the motivation one should need.

Now we'll see which ones really care.

Its all about desire, and who wants it most at this stage, and from what i can gather at Hull, they wanted it more. So we will see.

[Thracian]

I actually disagree. I think that telling the players they have 4 games to save themselves from being relegated to the reserves and replaced with better players is all the motivation one should need.

Now we'll see which ones really care.

Its all about desire, and who wants it most at this stage, and from what i can gather at Hull, they wanted it more. So we will see.

First team seniors don't get relegated to the reserves unless they want to from anything I've seen. And I don't see why the reserves would want them.

Douglas hardly ever played for the reserves, Newton's played twice I think, Sylla twice perhaps. It's always seemed more like a voluntary arrangement.

And if they don't want to play for Holloway I don't suppose playing for the reserves will alter their attitude anyway.

Try and imagine how you'd be thinking if your boss announced to the world that he thought you were rank and was going to replace you at the earliest opportunity?

It ain't the way to get folk to die for you. And that was something that was there under Megson. All the players looked busy and committed. They knew what was required of them and did they level best to deliver.

We were a long way off that at Hull.

[Fez of Mahrez]

First team seniors don't get relegated to the reserves unless they want to from anything I've seen. And I don't see why the reserves would want them.

Douglas hardly ever played for the reserves, Newton's played twice I think, Sylla twice perhaps. It's always seemed more like a voluntary arrangement.

And if they don't want to play for Holloway I don't suppose playing for the reserves will alter their attitude anyway.

Try and imagine how you'd be thinking if your boss announced to the world that he thought you were rank and was going to replace you at the earliest opportunity?

It ain't the way to get folk to die for you. And that was something that was there under Megson. All the players looked busy and committed. They knew what was required of them and did they level best to deliver.

We were a long way off that at Hull.

It's a lot easier to look busy and committed when you're spoiling the game and trying to win through set pieces.

I still think Holloway will get it right given the opportunity to build the sort of squad we should have assembled in the summer. Anyone and everyone has struggled with our squad from Megson to Allen and everyone in between.

The team he put out on Saturday is pretty much what everyone would play. Stearman was dropped. King played. Sheehan played. N'Gotty was back in. You might generally make one or two alterations but the personnel is more or less correct. They're just the best we can put out and they're practically all either off-form or not good enough.

This is more of a general post than a specific reply. I am finding it difficult to get my head round some people's thinking.

[Manwell Pablo]

Flavio's the answer.