Ollie won't raid Plymouth

[Father Ted]

Yes I'm one of those Argyle fans but actually the reason why I'm posting is because after inital anger I realised that actually we got a really good deal out of the whole scenerio.

To be honest, without the "greed" of Ollie and the approach by Mandaric then Paul Sturrock would never have come back to Argyle. To me, Leicester City Football Club got what they wanted in terms of a man that will sort them out. He has a great back up team and one key person is Penrice and I'm sure he

will bring in the right people who will add much needed quality to your team. Ollie has alot of passion. He is a motivator who is very postive as a manager. He did a very good job at PAFC and if I forget about alot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth then I realise he still did a very good job on a limited budget. However, he is not fantastic as a tactical manager. He only knows how to play one way and whilst being postive gets you somewhere he can be found out by more astute managers in what is a pretty average league. My concern was always that he never had a "plan B". If you get behind him though he will get you up the league although I do feel MM desire is Premiership within the next 2 years and personally I dont think Ollie has enough abilty to make you finish in the top two.

When Ollie came to the club he was extremely lucky in the sense Tony Pulis before him got rid of alot of the dead-wood like I guess he has to try and do with your squad now. Pulis set the foundations and Ollie had a blank sheet to work with. He was fortunate but he did add wisely so all credit to him. However, I have been watching in amazement some of his comments about your squad and where Pulis calmly and efficently went about his work I notice Olliie taking another approach. Personally, I believe no matter how many players you get in during the window he will still be left with alot of your existing squad and to be so public about the need for change isnt, I feel, the best way to handle things. Another downside to the man is whilst he is a great talker he tends to speak before thinking and in the case I highlighted above he can only affect confidence by making it appear that alot arent wanted. Isnt it better to keep team matters private?

So when I heard Paul Sturrock was coming back I was delighted. We have a manager who has a plan B. Tatically, he is alot more aware than Ollie and yet as the same ability to unite a team by its spirt and work-rate. I can see why alot of Argyle fans are bitter about the whole scenerio but my anger has always been directed at Ollie and not Leciester Fans as at the end of the day fans of football clubs dont have any say in the employment of managers.

I actually do wish you the best for the season (although I would be lyeing if I wasnt going to say that their isnt part of me that really wants Ollie to fail). Life goes on though and if it wasnt for the actions of your club we wouldnt of seen our fans so united like they have been over the coming months. We also wouldnt of seen the return of one of our most popular managers. As an Argyle fan who wasnt 100% convinced by Ollie, but who did try and believe in what he was saying, this whole scenerio has benefited both clubs.

I just want to wish you all a merry xmas, and look forward to getting 3pts off you come feb !!

Woooaah! I actually agree with a lot that you have said like you getting Sturrock, us getting Penrice and Milan getting Holloway And finally Merry Christmas to you Also do you have your own Plymouth forum?

[Asha]

Woooaah! I actually agree with a lot that you have said like you getting Sturrock, us getting Penrice and Milan getting Holloway And finally Merry Christmas to you Also do you have your own Plymouth forum?

Why would they when they've got ours .

Holloway coming to us was the most high profile moment of their history...they never have anything else to talk about

[reynard]

We seem to have gone a bit off topic. I have only heard the radio leicester interview but have to say that this approach annoys me. If we feel that a player at Plymouth would improve our side then we should be prepared to try and get him. If that upsets Plymouth then sorry but this is the way the world of football and business works. Look at the likes of formula 1. For me it is the duty of our manager and chairman to bring in the very best players they think right for our club. To apparently appear to capitulate on the grounds of upsetting the former club of our manager is in my opinion a dereliction of duty to us as fans and a betrayal of our club.

As long as the offer is above board and honest then it is then upto that player to express their opinion to their chairman and manager. This has happened many times to us in the past and though we might not like it we have ultimately had to accept it.

[onetruefox]

We seem to have gone a bit off topic. I have only heard the radio leicester interview but have to say that this approach annoys me. If we feel that a player at Plymouth would improve our side then we should be prepared to try and get him. If that upsets Plymouth then sorry but this is the way the world of football and business works. Look at the likes of formula 1. For me it is the duty of our manager and chairman to bring in the very best players they think right for our club. To apparently appear to capitulate on the grounds of upsetting the former club of our manager is in my opinion a dereliction of duty to us as fans and a betrayal of our club.

As long as the offer is above board and honest then it is then upto that player to express their opinion to their chairman and manager. This has happened many times to us in the past and though we might not like it we have ultimately had to accept it.

Agree 100 fooking percent.We shouldnt give a flying fook about plymouth.If we want any of there players we should get them.

[davieG]

Agree 100 fooking percent.We shouldnt give a flying fook about plymouth.If we want any of there players we should get them.

Not if they're over priced which I suspect is the case? Besides they're is no point getting them if they are going to cause disharmony in the club we have enough of that as it is.

[Plymouth Pete]

Why would they when they've got ours .

Holloway coming to us was the most high profile moment of their history...they never have anything else to talk about

Well we once had a manager called Shilton who had played for England and some midlands club I believe it was Forest or Derby The there was Malcolm Allison (twice) who was quite colourful but the best of the lot was Paul Sturrock and now thanks to Leicester we have him back. As for players there is little or no club loyalty nowadays they will go where the money is greatest and we can not match the money on offer at most Championship clubs. Have heard to day that Wigan and Brum are interested in Halmosi so we will probally lose him, and I expect Ipswich with money to spend will be back for Norris, although we already have a replacement for him in Jimmy Abdou another Holloway signing.

[The Reverend]

We seem to have gone a bit off topic. I have only heard the radio leicester interview but have to say that this approach annoys me. If we feel that a player at Plymouth would improve our side then we should be prepared to try and get him. If that upsets Plymouth then sorry but this is the way the world of football and business works. Look at the likes of formula 1. For me it is the duty of our manager and chairman to bring in the very best players they think right for our club. To apparently appear to capitulate on the grounds of upsetting the former club of our manager is in my opinion a dereliction of duty to us as fans and a betrayal of our club.

As long as the offer is above board and honest then it is then upto that player to express their opinion to their chairman and manager. This has happened many times to us in the past and though we might not like it we have ultimately had to accept it.

Agree 100 fooking percent.We shouldnt give a flying fook about plymouth.If we want any of there players we should get them.

I disagree, if a club is going to ask for unreasonable amounts of money for average players, then it suits us, and it suits Plymouth to go elsewhere.

But then again this has been discussed an obscene amount of times.

[Father Ted]

Well we once had a manager called Shilton who had played for England and some midlands club I believe it was Forest or Derby The there was Malcolm Allison (twice) who was quite colourful but the best of the lot was Paul Sturrock and now thanks to Leicester we have him back. As for players there is little or no club loyalty nowadays they will go where the money is greatest and we can not match the money on offer at most Championship clubs. Have heard to day that Wigan and Brum are interested in Halmosi so we will probally lose him, and I expect Ipswich with money to spend will be back for Norris, although we already have a replacement for him in Jimmy Abdou another Holloway signing.

I do not get a single word of that. And Shilton was born and bred in Leicester so get lost.

[filbertstreetboy]

spot on reynard but theres alot going on with ollie and mm that your average fan wont know about,i say fook plymouth lets get norris on board asap

from the statements we have heard either mm has told ollie no or ollie doesnt want to upset the plymouth fans further either way its wrong for leicester city football club we are in a dog fight (or at least will be by jan) so fook the plymouth fans we should be number one priority

[onetruefox]

Well we once had a manager called Shilton who had played for England and some midlands club I believe it was Forest or Derby The there was Malcolm Allison (twice) who was quite colourful but the best of the lot was Paul Sturrock and now thanks to Leicester we have him back. As for players there is little or no club loyalty nowadays they will go where the money is greatest and we can not match the money on offer at most Championship clubs. Have heard to day that Wigan and Brum are interested in Halmosi so we will probally lose him, and I expect Ipswich with money to spend will be back for Norris, although we already have a replacement for him in Jimmy Abdou another Holloway signing.

Yes you should be happy with Sturrock who has done wonders for you in the past.So why are all you plymouth fans so bitter that we have Ollie.Have Swindon fans invaded your forum,or will we find them on here having ago at you.

[The Reverend]

Well we once had a manager called Shilton who had played for England and some midlands club I believe it was Forest or Derby The there was Malcolm Allison (twice) who was quite colourful but the best of the lot was Paul Sturrock and now thanks to Leicester we have him back. As for players there is little or no club loyalty nowadays they will go where the money is greatest and we can not match the money on offer at most Championship clubs. Have heard to day that Wigan and Brum are interested in Halmosi so we will probally lose him, and I expect Ipswich with money to spend will be back for Norris, although we already have a replacement for him in Jimmy Abdou another Holloway signing.

I think you'll find that that 'some Midlands club' was us, though he did play for Derby aswel.

[reynard]

I disagree, if a club is going to ask for unreasonable amounts of money for average players, then it suits us, and it suits Plymouth to go elsewhere.

But then again this has been discussed an obscene amount of times.

That's not really the point i'm trying to make. I agree if the money is too much then that is fine afterall every one should have budgets. However, from the interview I heard this does not seem to be the reason and if we are nly concerned with not p@ssing off Plymouth then that is not a professional reason for not persuing a player and is a path with which I disagree.

[filbertstreetboy]

so ollie would rather the plymouth fans liked him than we did well???

these couple of plymouth players could be the difference between staying up or going down

[silkman]

so ollie would rather the plymouth fans liked him than we did well???

these couple of plymouth players could be the difference between staying up or going down

Look - Hollowman can't face up to he fact that Argyle players don't want to join him when:

a) Leicester are in a relegation scrap

b) Hollowman will be out of a job before long

So to save face he says he's not going to raid Argyle. He really is a twat isn't he!

[oggie]

Have just come across this posting

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php...sc&start=30

which is the take of one of the Plymouth directors who was in on the original appointment of Holloway.

It makes for interesting reading, giving an insight into Holloway's character that is not, presumably, normally seen. If this posting has any semblance of truth then it could well have been or at least characterised the reason for MM's/IH's change of plans vis-a-vis Plymouth players.

[Asha]

Have just come across this posting

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php...sc&start=30

which is the take of one of the Plymouth directors who was in on the original appointment of Holloway.

It makes for interesting reading, giving an insight into Holloway's character that is not, presumably, normally seen. If this posting has any semblance of truth then it could well have been or at least characterised the reason for MM's/IH's change of plans vis-a-vis Plymouth players.

IMO plymouth players were always overglorified fishermen

[oggie]

IMO plymouth players were always overglorified fishermen

Ah, bless! I know there are many posters who can be rational - I happen to have had the misfortune to catch one of the lesser mortals

[Zingari]

Look - Hollowman can't face up to he fact that Argyle players don't want to join him when:

a) Leicester are in a relegation scrap

b) Hollowman will be out of a job before long

So to save face he says he's not going to raid Argyle. He really is a twat isn't he!

yes

[AyewJoking]

I'm going to adopt a pessimistic approach and say if Plymouth players were Ollies priority transfer targets, we are all in for a bit more disappointment in January.

[Luggy19]

I'm going to adopt a pessimistic approach and say if Plymouth players were Ollies priority transfer targets, we are all in for a bit more disappointment in January.

How you work that out ????

I had to break your heart but we ARE a better team. The league table doesn't lie. Oh and if you think Norris would be a bad signing for your squad you may as well give up being a football fan mate.

Norris could walk into most squads in this league especially shitty Leicester

[AyewJoking]

How you work that out ????

I had to break your heart but we ARE a better team. The league table doesn't lie. Oh and if you think Norris would be a bad signing for your squad you may as well give up being a football fan mate.

Norris could walk into most squads in this league especially shitty Leicester

I've got one!!

[Babylon]

NOTE TO ALL PLYMOUTH FANS: Get a grip, move on and concentrate on your own club. Whatever his reasons for going, be it money, or the fact we are a bigger club with a better setup, he has gone. He won't be coming back, we probably won't be signing any of your players SO GO HOME!!!

[Babylon]

I've got one!!

It's not hard.. there has been a massive influx of complete spanners of late, from Plymouth and Leicester.

[Daz.I]

HAHAHAH

NOT A LOSS?

THE FACT THAT WE ARE 13 PLACES ABOVE YOU

AND ARE ON THE EDGES OF A PLAY-OFF SLOT THIS SEASON

SURELY MUST MEAN WE ARE A BETTER SIDE THEN YOU AT THE MOMENT?

SO WHY WOULD ANY OF OUR PLAYERS WANT TO LEAVE A SIDE WHO IS COMPETEING FOR A PLAY-OFF SPOT TO JOIN A CLUB WHO IS FIGHTING TO AVOID THE DROP,

THE ARGYLE PLAYERS HAVE SEEN HOW HOLLOW HOLLOWAY IS BY TURNING HIS BACK ON A CLUB DESTINED TO PUSH FOR A PLAY-OFF SPOT AND JOINING A CLUB WHO IS FIGHTING TO STAY IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP

SO WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO GO AND JOIN HIM

WHEN HE HAS TURNT HIS BACK ON THEM

why are all these drips aloud on the forums

[Simi]

why are all these drips aloud on the forums

Probably used the same door that you did?