Milan

[blueoveru]

he seems hellbent on copying his exploits at Portsmouth.......but he aint going to get lucky this time, like he did with Harry Redknapp, he is far from being the astute person on the football front.................................... it beggars belief how he made his fortune businesswise

[Nationwider]

I wonder if the McAuley/Darren Moore deals will be authorised by the new manager, or if something will happen before then? Transfers being authorised without the say-so of the new man is going to be a big turn-off for prospective candidates, well the decent ones anyway.

[davieG]

I wonder if the McAuley/Darren Moore deals will be authorised by the new manager, or if something will happen before then? Transfers being authorised without the say-so of the new man is going to be a big turn-off for prospective candidates, well the decent ones anyway.

Not a problem for us then.

[lookwhaticando]

I wonder if the McAuley/Darren Moore deals will be authorised by the new manager, or if something will happen before then? Transfers being authorised without the say-so of the new man is going to be a big turn-off for prospective candidates, well the decent ones anyway.

So we really should've known Allen wasn't decent enough, then.

[wurmer]

Not a Mandaric fan then eh?

Totally agree with you but whether he'll go is a different story. Personally, I don't think he'll go until he's put things right. I just hope he doesn't make things worse.

As soon as he can recover some or all of his cash, he will be off - personally don't think it's anything to do with putting things right - its all about the money.

If we get back to the Championship next season, he will sell us.

[Katy]

Do you know what Dave, you've taken the words right out of my mouth and transfered them eloquently into the written word. I have nothing more to say.

[sdb]

Being one of the handful of people clearly saying that we should have stuck with Holloway I hardly think I could be called "trigger happy"!

Trouble is - I'm hearing the same stuff in this thread all over again...generic statements devoid of detail about the effort and money he has put in. The effort counts for absolutely nothing - only the results, and as top dog he takes responsibility. As for the money, unless you have access to information that I don't, the commonly held belief is that funding has been secured on increased levels of debt that are now to be serviced by a decreased revenue stream.

but how much can a chairman ultimatley do with regards to results?

and the main reasons i wanted Holloway to stay were 1) we need a period of stabiltiy and 2) there were no better realistic alternatives (as we are now finding out)

[Daggers]

but how much can a chairman ultimatley do with regards to results?

Not force players on managers?

Not dictate team selections?

Adopt a more rigorous recruitment process for managers and other staff?

[davieG]

but how much can a chairman ultimatley do with regards to results?

and the main reasons i wanted Holloway to stay were 1) we need a period of stabiltiy and 2) there were no better realistic alternatives (as we are now finding out)

Not force players on managers?

Not dictate team selections?

Adopt a more rigorous recruitment process for managers and other staff?

Not put unnecessary pressure on the manager/players by making outrageous proclamations on our prospects which also raises expectations from the fans thus increasing the pressure even more.

Leaving all media communication about the team and prospective players to the manager, he might also benefit in leaving all other club business to the CEO.

[Cheese Me]

1. Being an apologist for him is a bad look and very 'last season'.

Worthington, at the time, was deemed to be 'not good enough' by most of the people expressing an opinion. Having not renewed his contract and having told Warnock that he wouldn't be carrying on his interest due to 'fan power' we ended up going down the road of losing those at the head of the want list. 2. This was piss-poor management.

Appointing Allen was the act of someone impressed during an interview, it failed to demonstrate any recruitment prowess at all. 3. This was emphasised by his hiring Allen's entourage, a shite DOF and the worst head scout in the history of City.

Mandaric then oversaw the signing of a stream of old, crap or simply crap and old players while throwing money at agents. You seem to think that this support is a laudable thing - it was abject stupidity. It was what someone who's only experience of football was on their computer in their bedroom.

Megson was a good move for him even if it was incredibly unpopular with the supporters...but "visibly gutted"? We are talking about the chairman who allowed someone to come to work without having signed a ****ing contract thereby allowing him to walk out on us. This was no more than crassly idiotic.

Finally, with his reputation at an all time low within the game, he sacks Holloway because...well, who cares what the reasons were because he now can't find a replacement for love nor money. We can't get "the right man" - we are struggling to get any man.

I'm not knocking him for his time or energy commitments, even if I knew what they were, 4. because they are wholly irrelevant. He made the appointments, he made most of the signings, he made many mistakes and we are the ones paying for it.

I am shocked that anyone can remain blinkered to this.

1. Not an apologist just a realist rather than a knee jerk OTT reaction

2. Sorry but that doesn't actually make any sense. Not renewing a contract for someone the fans plainly didn't want in charge and not bringing in a man the fans clearly hate is hardly piss poor management. I agree signing Allen was a mistake but the problems weren't the ones you highlighted

3. Fair point

4. Of course they're relevant. So you want a chairman who makes no effort and contribute no money. I think we've been there before

Obviously you're entitles to your opinion and I said in my earlier post Milan has clearly made mistakes but there is no way he is fully responsible for what's gone on. And one thing to remember it's not like we had a sucession of top managers knocking at our door before he came in is it. It may not have come off but Ince and McClaren clearly showed at least some interest in the position, can't see that having been the case back when we were trying to find a couple of pound coins to rub together to sign Josh Low.

[Daggers]

1. Not an apologist just a realist rather than a knee jerk OTT reaction

2. Sorry but that doesn't actually make any sense. Not renewing a contract for someone the fans plainly didn't want in charge and not bringing in a man the fans clearly hate is hardly piss poor management. I agree signing Allen was a mistake but the problems weren't the ones you highlighted

3. Fair point

4. Of course they're relevant. So you want a chairman who makes no effort and contribute no money. I think we've been there before

Obviously you're entitles to your opinion and I said in my earlier post Milan has clearly made mistakes but there is no way he is fully responsible for what's gone on. And one thing to remember it's not like we had a sucession of top managers knocking at our door before he came in is it. It may not have come off but Ince and McClaren clearly showed at least some interest in the position, can't see that having been the case back when we were trying to find a couple of pound coins to rub together to sign Josh Low.

1. An apologist is exactly what you are being.

2. I have nothing further to add to this point if you still can't grasp it.

4. We have been here before - I still see no evidence that any of this money has come from his pocket. I still see no evidence that any of it has been spent wisely.

• Ince has not been interviewed, his club refused permission.
  
• McClaren is currently in Austria and the whole story came from a Football Rumours addict.
  

Neither of the above count towards an argument as neither showed interest in the position.

There is a reason why we are not pound coin rubbing - reference: increasing club debt and profligate spending.

[Rich Fox]

Come on then Rich Fox why don't you explain to everyone the good things he has done for this club?

As I have said in my post milan has made mistakes, everything he has done has gone wrong so far but he backs all his managers with funds which we have never had before. This club has had some awful chairman who have stripped the club to there bare bones and sold off every player we have produced.Ive been following Leicester for 30 years and ive always been jealous of similar sized clubs such as wolves and derby who have had good backing which weve never had. I know we spent after o neill but that was mainly the heskey money and what martin made not once have we had any backing.

Cant understand people moaning because milan didnt pay much for the club. surel thats a good thing, and get real he is a good business man whatever you think of him. The question should be what can he do for the club, because theres no way he can do any less than our prevous chairman over the last 50 years!

[davieG]

As I have said in my post milan has made mistakes, everything he has done has gone wrong so far but he backs all his managers with funds which we have never had before. This club has had some awful chairman who have stripped the club to there bare bones and sold off every player we have produced.Ive been following Leicester for 30 years and ive always been jealous of similar sized clubs such as wolves and derby who have had good backing which weve never had. I know we spent after o neill but that was mainly the heskey money and what martin made not once have we had any backing.

Cant understand people moaning because milan didnt pay much for the club. surel thats a good thing, and get real he is a good business man whatever you think of him. The question should be what can he do for the club, because theres no way he can do any less than our prevous chairman over the last 50 years!

Well I base my judgement on the degree of success achieved irrespective of how much money is spent and no other Chairman has taken us down to Division 3.

[Guest]

As I have said in my post milan has made mistakes, everything he has done has gone wrong so far but he backs all his managers with funds which we have never had before. This club has had some awful chairman who have stripped the club to there bare bones and sold off every player we have produced.Ive been following Leicester for 30 years and ive always been jealous of similar sized clubs such as wolves and derby who have had good backing which weve never had. I know we spent after o neill but that was mainly the heskey money and what martin made not once have we had any backing.

Cant understand people moaning because milan didnt pay much for the club. surel thats a good thing, and get real he is a good business man whatever you think of him. The question should be what can he do for the club, because theres no way he can do any less than our prevous chairman over the last 50 years!

I think the likes of Wolves and Derby have had more than their fair share of players poached over the years....

[Cheese Me]

1. An apologist is exactly what you are being.

2. I have nothing further to add to this point if you still can't grasp it.

4. We have been here before - I still see no evidence that any of this money has come from his pocket. I still see no evidence that any of it has been spent wisely.

• Ince has not been interviewed, his club refused permission.
  
• McClaren is currently in Austria and the whole story came from a Football Rumours addict.
  

Neither of the above count towards an argument as neither showed interest in the position.

There is a reason why we are not pound coin rubbing - reference: increasing club debt and profligate spending.

Sighs and agrees to differ

[Guest ttfn]

I can't believe it's taken this long for an established member of this forum to come out and say this, I've been saying that MM was bad for this club from day 1 (or maybe like day 30).

All we've seen from Mandaric is poor appointments and over time he's turned this club into a laughing stock, whilst seeking to lay the blame wherever else he can - the old board, the managers, the players, THE FANS!

MM is an absolute twat and as soon as more people realise this the sooner we can do something about it

[ibbosuk]

You have engineered a situation where we are considered too much of a risk to manage by shit managers. When decisions should have been made you faltered, when things should have been left alone you stuck your beak in and when things were going badly you made it worse.

Maybe we would have got relegated had you not arrived, maybe we would not have had money to pack the squad out with crap players - but I feel we would still have had more chance of attracting a half decent manager now.

At this moment in time the kudos of being able to work with the great Milan Mandaric is not drawing any quality applicants at all - you can't even offer them an obscene amount of money to take the job, they simply aren't interested in working with you. Not only that, but everyone is now aware that they figure so low down on your "list" because you have publicly courted others.

The fact that you failed to see this situation as an inevitable consequence of your approach to man-management just confirms to me that you really do not have a clue. Had you had the sense to stick with Holloway, if only to bolster the general low opinion of you as an employer in the eyes of the manager community, then we would not be facing the situation we do now.

One bad decision after the next after the next - it simply isn't good enough Milan, this is our club you are single-handedly ripping apart. Forget trying to find a new manager - go out and find a buyer who will take on the debts you leave the club with.

I see no alternative, it's time for you to go.

The Guru ibbosuk responds ........( LISTEN UP MM )

Still a chance for (YOU) to turn the ship around....

The Guru ibbosuk has been saying for a long time that Martin George should be appointed with sole task of finding and hiring the new BL/MO to take this club forward.

If (YOU) cannot attract the likes of Davies or Ince we ARE in serious SERIOUS TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

So says Foxtalk "Guru ibbosuk"

[eaststandtom]

Milan has made mistakes, no one is going to deny that including him I'm sure.

But him leaving now would be a very bad thing for the club - as one of the posters above commented we've gone too far down this road. He's built a bad reputation but let's look at the facts for a minute

Kelly - nice guy but honestly was leading us into the abyss, where we were at the time he had to go and Milan did give time and backing when he arrived

Wortho - only bought in on a short contract. Think back, none of us wanted him permanently at the time

Allen - I think most of us have accepted now that whatever our feelings at the time we weren't heading in the right direction (and at the time I was screaming Milan out over the decision)

Megson - he left us, Milan was visibly gutted

Holloway - took us down to the lowest level in our history, completely lost the fans. Had to go

I'm normally one who really argues for stability but when you look at the facts it's hard to argue with the decisions on letting them go. A different story obviously on hiring them in the first place.

The important thing is we get the right man this time and stick with him.

Also to those who seem intent on knocking him. Milan has invested a lot of time, money and energy in the club - something we've been calling out for for years. He's backed every one of his managers even as they've made bad decisions in the transfer market and he can hardly be held to accoutn for the abject performance of some of our 'players' last year can he!

agreed. after years of shipman and the club being tarnished with being unambitious and more interested in buying houses on burnmoor street than buying players i'd prefer at least having some cash to spend and some pulling clout.

i think its unreasonable to suggest we should have some name manager coming here. our league status is a third tier one.

no one who has managed in th prem recently is going to come here.

milans manager record here is scrutinised rightly or wrongly. kelly deserved to go, worthington was a stop gap, allen was the mistake, megson was a disgrace and holloway let everyone down inc milan.

milan is responsible as the big boss but remembering older times of boards who would baulk at fees over 350,000 at least we have a platform now whereas back then we had nothing.

relelgation was coming before milan. he should have prevented it you can argue but as he says judge the club where they are when he leaves.

as for keeping holloway, i was a fan of his but look back at interviews from about march onwards. his body language is shocking. clearly something had got him.

[Daggers]

Sighs and agrees to differ

You can sigh all you want poppet, but unless you have anything other than wild rumour to fling about you really don't have an input.

[davieG]

agreed. after years of shipman and the club being tarnished with being unambitious and more interested in buying houses on burnmoor street than buying players i'd prefer at least having some cash to spend and some pulling clout.

i think its unreasonable to suggest we should have some name manager coming here. our league status is a third tier one.

no one who has managed in th prem recently is going to come here.

milans manager record here is scrutinised rightly or wrongly. kelly deserved to go, worthington was a stop gap, allen was the mistake, megson was a disgrace and holloway let everyone down inc milan.

milan is responsible as the big boss but remembering older times of boards who would baulk at fees over 350,000 at least we have a platform now whereas back then we had nothing.

relelgation was coming before milan. he should have prevented it you can argue but as he says judge the club where they are when he leaves.

as for keeping holloway, i was a fan of his but look back at interviews from about march onwards. his body language is shocking. clearly something had got him.

First of all their mistake was selling the houses on Burnmoor St not buying them - if they'd have still owned them we would have had a much better chance of developing it rather than moving to the soulless Walkers.

As for the old Boards not putting up the money well at least they stayed solvent until we got too big for our boots with Elsom. Mandaric putting up money - well we've yet to see if he has or whether, like many other 'so called' rich chairmen at other clubs it's just further debt, my guess it is.

Relegation may have been coming although with a decent manager on a shoe string working with a team with spirit and fortitude, who knows? But what we would have undoubtedly have by now, even if we had got relegated is a team full youngsters blooded from our youth team with a years championship experience instead of the dross that MM has wasted his/our money on and putting yet another millstone around our necks.

If we are going to be in Division 3 I'd sooner be there as paupers with pride, integrity and not be the pariahs of the football world

[Ric Flair]

Mildly boring.

[eaststandtom]

First of all their mistake was selling the houses on Burnmoor St not buying them - if they'd have still owned them we would have had a much better chance of developing it rather than moving to the soulless Walkers.

As for the old Boards not putting up the money well at least they stayed solvent until we got too big for our boots with Elsom. Mandaric putting up money - well we've yet to see if he has or whether, like many other 'so called' rich chairmen at other clubs it's just further debt, my guess it is.

Relegation may have been coming although with a decent manager on a shoe string working with a team with spirit and fortitude, who knows? But what we would have undoubtedly have by now, even if we had got relegated is a team full youngsters blooded from our youth team with a years championship experience instead of the dross that MM has wasted his/our money on and putting yet another millstone around our necks.

If we are going to be in Division 3 I'd sooner be there as paupers with pride, integrity and not be the pariahs of the football world

i seem to recall nothing but complaining and frustration about our solvent board back then . id rather not go back to those days.they truly were average.

with some cash we have opportunities to improve and grow.

a shoe string budget would mean we would just have to sell our players anyhow.

[skinnydipper]

I would love to see M.M take over Alan Sugar's role on The Apprentice. He betters Sugar's record of making crass appointments and he's at least on a par with Sugar for saying "You're Fired"

Mandaric and Sugar. It's the dream ticket.

[davieG]

i seem to recall nothing but complaining and frustration about our solvent board back then . id rather not go back to those days.they truly were average.

with some cash we have opportunities to improve and grow.

a shoe string budget would mean we would just have to sell our players anyhow.

And we're what now - well below average!

As I said where is this cash coming from? A shoe string budget can and has produce teams far more successful than Mandaric's money (?) and interference has.

Watch us sell our players before the season starts.

[eaststandtom]

And we're what now - well below average!

As I said where is this cash coming from? A shoe string budget can and has produce teams far more successful than Mandaric's money (?) and interference has.

Watch us sell our players before the season starts.

i hope we sell some of them.

a team on a shoe string can do well but doesnt have the resources to move behind their limitations i feel.

i agree with you lets get some consistency going 1st but with someone who is prepared

to back the team we have potential to go beyond those limitations a shoe string assembled side has.

still, promotion from league 1 first