Daggers Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 You have engineered a situation where we are considered too much of a risk to manage by shit managers. When decisions should have been made you faltered, when things should have been left alone you stuck your beak in and when things were going badly you made it worse. Maybe we would have got relegated had you not arrived, maybe we would not have had money to pack the squad out with crap players - but I feel we would still have had more chance of attracting a half decent manager now. At this moment in time the kudos of being able to work with the great Milan Mandaric is not drawing any quality applicants at all - you can't even offer them an obscene amount of money to take the job, they simply aren't interested in working with you. Not only that, but everyone is now aware that they figure so low down on your "list" because you have publicly courted others. The fact that you failed to see this situation as an inevitable consequence of your approach to man-management just confirms to me that you really do not have a clue. Had you had the sense to stick with Holloway, if only to bolster the general low opinion of you as an employer in the eyes of the manager community, then we would not be facing the situation we do now. One bad decision after the next after the next - it simply isn't good enough Milan, this is our club you are single-handedly ripping apart. Forget trying to find a new manager - go out and find a buyer who will take on the debts you leave the club with. I see no alternative, it's time for you to go.
maddog Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 You have engineered a situation where we are considered too much of a risk to manage by shit managers. When decisions should have been made you faltered, when things should have been left alone you stuck your beak in and when things were going badly you made it worse.Maybe we would have got relegated had you not arrived, maybe we would not have had money to pack the squad out with crap players - but I feel we would still have had more chance of attracting a half decent manager now. At this moment in time the kudos of being able to work with the great Milan Mandaric is not drawing any quality applicants at all - you can't even offer them an obscene amount of money to take the job, they simply aren't interested in working with you. Not only that, but everyone is now aware that they figure so low down on your "list" because you have publicly courted others. The fact that you failed to see this situation as an inevitable consequence of your approach to man-management just confirms to me that you really do not have a clue. Had you had the sense to stick with Holloway, if only to bolster the general low opinion of you as an employer in the eyes of the manager community, then we would not be facing the situation we do now. One bad decision after the next after the next - it simply isn't good enough Milan, this is our club you are single-handedly ripping apart. Forget trying to find a new manager - go out and find a buyer who will take on the debts you leave the club with. I see no alternative, it's time for you to go. YES YES YES!
SamL Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Not a Mandaric fan then eh? Totally agree with you but whether he'll go is a different story. Personally, I don't think he'll go until he's put things right. I just hope he doesn't make things worse.
dandannieldanok Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 You'll never get through to the people who still believe he saved the club from administration.
Daggers Posted 16 June 2008 Author Posted 16 June 2008 You'll never get through to the people who still believe he saved the club from administration. Administration would save us from more of his inept meddling.
Flynny Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 I agree with everything except this being the time for him to leave. We're too far gone now, we'll have to hope he accidentally gets it right somehow.
Corky Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 I agree Daggers, Leicester City used to be a club that many managers relished the chance of managing. Good club, great fans, chairman who backed the manager (in Davies' case, too much) and gave them time. As soon as Mandaric walked in the door, we were linked with a new manager, despite having one in Rob Kelly. He is undermining their authority, and in the process, making this club a laughing stock. More importantly, its own followers have had enough. People are building up the next appointment, but I am dreading it. The next victim will be gone in two months if we are not top two at least, and then back to square one. I just want to enjoy my football, and feel proud when I talk about my club. It's getting harder, because all other fans mention is Mandaric. Things are not good at my football club, and I can't, depsite all my optimism (and delusion), see it getting any better.
Vestan Pance Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 You have engineered a situation where we are considered too much of a risk to manage by shit managers. When decisions should have been made you faltered, when things should have been left alone you stuck your beak in and when things were going badly you made it worse.Maybe we would have got relegated had you not arrived, maybe we would not have had money to pack the squad out with crap players - but I feel we would still have had more chance of attracting a half decent manager now. At this moment in time the kudos of being able to work with the great Milan Mandaric is not drawing any quality applicants at all - you can't even offer them an obscene amount of money to take the job, they simply aren't interested in working with you. Not only that, but everyone is now aware that they figure so low down on your "list" because you have publicly courted others. The fact that you failed to see this situation as an inevitable consequence of your approach to man-management just confirms to me that you really do not have a clue. Had you had the sense to stick with Holloway, if only to bolster the general low opinion of you as an employer in the eyes of the manager community, then we would not be facing the situation we do now. One bad decision after the next after the next - it simply isn't good enough Milan, this is our club you are single-handedly ripping apart. Forget trying to find a new manager - go out and find a buyer who will take on the debts you leave the club with. I see no alternative, it's time for you to go. Totally agree. His continued appearances on SSN have now become nothing more than a public broadcast of how not to run a football club. I'm now convinced that the man is totally out of his depth. We need to prepare ourselves for another season of struggle in which hopefully MM will let the club go.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 I agree with Daggers and Flynny in many regards. We are at a point where even crap managers don't want to come here and the reason for that is MM. Getting LCFC out of the 1st division will make legend out of anyone who does it and it shouldn't be too difficult (yes, I know we can't take it for granted, but we should have huge advantages over many clubs), yet no one wants to risk it cos of bumnose. But as Flynny says, he won't go. Simply he will lose too much of his "investment" (I use the term loosely).
Glenfield Fox Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 You have engineered a situation where we are considered too much of a risk to manage by shit managers. When decisions should have been made you faltered, when things should have been left alone you stuck your beak in and when things were going badly you made it worse.Maybe we would have got relegated had you not arrived, maybe we would not have had money to pack the squad out with crap players - but I feel we would still have had more chance of attracting a half decent manager now. At this moment in time the kudos of being able to work with the great Milan Mandaric is not drawing any quality applicants at all - you can't even offer them an obscene amount of money to take the job, they simply aren't interested in working with you. Not only that, but everyone is now aware that they figure so low down on your "list" because you have publicly courted others. The fact that you failed to see this situation as an inevitable consequence of your approach to man-management just confirms to me that you really do not have a clue. Had you had the sense to stick with Holloway, if only to bolster the general low opinion of you as an employer in the eyes of the manager community, then we would not be facing the situation we do now. One bad decision after the next after the next - it simply isn't good enough Milan, this is our club you are single-handedly ripping apart. Forget trying to find a new manager - go out and find a buyer who will take on the debts you leave the club with. I see no alternative, it's time for you to go. I agree. The bloke has lost it big time. He stumbles from one inept decision to another. The senior management at our club since he arrived has been totally shambolic. People say his cash saved us from administration and relegation. Well now we know it just delayed the relegation part. I would like to see him gone, but I'm even more worried about the damage he will leave is in his wake, and the real state of the club finances.
Cheese Me Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Milan has made mistakes, no one is going to deny that including him I'm sure. But him leaving now would be a very bad thing for the club - as one of the posters above commented we've gone too far down this road. He's built a bad reputation but let's look at the facts for a minute Kelly - nice guy but honestly was leading us into the abyss, where we were at the time he had to go and Milan did give time and backing when he arrived Wortho - only bought in on a short contract. Think back, none of us wanted him permanently at the time Allen - I think most of us have accepted now that whatever our feelings at the time we weren't heading in the right direction (and at the time I was screaming Milan out over the decision) Megson - he left us, Milan was visibly gutted Holloway - took us down to the lowest level in our history, completely lost the fans. Had to go I'm normally one who really argues for stability but when you look at the facts it's hard to argue with the decisions on letting them go. A different story obviously on hiring them in the first place. The important thing is we get the right man this time and stick with him. Also to those who seem intent on knocking him. Milan has invested a lot of time, money and energy in the club - something we've been calling out for for years. He's backed every one of his managers even as they've made bad decisions in the transfer market and he can hardly be held to accoutn for the abject performance of some of our 'players' last year can he!
Zingari Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Milan has made mistakes, no one is going to deny that including him I'm sure.But him leaving now would be a very bad thing for the club - as one of the posters above commented we've gone too far down this road. He's built a bad reputation but let's look at the facts for a minute Kelly - nice guy but honestly was leading us into the abyss, where we were at the time he had to go and Milan did give time and backing when he arrived Wortho - only bought in on a short contract. Think back, none of us wanted him permanently at the time Allen - I think most of us have accepted now that whatever our feelings at the time we weren't heading in the right direction (and at the time I was screaming Milan out over the decision) Megson - he left us, Milan was visibly gutted Holloway - took us down to the lowest level in our history, completely lost the fans. Had to go I'm normally one who really argues for stability but when you look at the facts it's hard to argue with the decisions on letting them go. A different story obviously on hiring them in the first place. The important thing is we get the right man this time and stick with him. Also to those who seem intent on knocking him. Milan has invested a lot of time, money and energy in the club - something we've been calling out for for years. He's backed every one of his managers even as they've made bad decisions in the transfer market and he can hardly be held to accoutn for the abject performance of some of our 'players' last year can he! i have to agree
Raj Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 You lot aren't fit to lace his boots!!!! Good old milky!!
Daggers Posted 16 June 2008 Author Posted 16 June 2008 Milan has made mistakes, no one is going to deny that including him I'm sure.But him leaving now would be a very bad thing for the club - as one of the posters above commented we've gone too far down this road. He's built a bad reputation but let's look at the facts for a minute Kelly - nice guy but honestly was leading us into the abyss, where we were at the time he had to go and Milan did give time and backing when he arrived Wortho - only bought in on a short contract. Think back, none of us wanted him permanently at the time Allen - I think most of us have accepted now that whatever our feelings at the time we weren't heading in the right direction (and at the time I was screaming Milan out over the decision) Megson - he left us, Milan was visibly gutted Holloway - took us down to the lowest level in our history, completely lost the fans. Had to go I'm normally one who really argues for stability but when you look at the facts it's hard to argue with the decisions on letting them go. A different story obviously on hiring them in the first place. The important thing is we get the right man this time and stick with him. Also to those who seem intent on knocking him. Milan has invested a lot of time, money and energy in the club - something we've been calling out for for years. He's backed every one of his managers even as they've made bad decisions in the transfer market and he can hardly be held to accoutn for the abject performance of some of our 'players' last year can he! Being an apologist for him is a bad look and very 'last season'. Worthington, at the time, was deemed to be 'not good enough' by most of the people expressing an opinion. Having not renewed his contract and having told Warnock that he wouldn't be carrying on his interest due to 'fan power' we ended up going down the road of losing those at the head of the want list. This was piss-poor management. Appointing Allen was the act of someone impressed during an interview, it failed to demonstrate any recruitment prowess at all. This was emphasised by his hiring Allen's entourage, a shite DOF and the worst head scout in the history of City. Mandaric then oversaw the signing of a stream of old, crap or simply crap and old players while throwing money at agents. You seem to think that this support is a laudable thing - it was abject stupidity. It was what someone who's only experience of football was on their computer in their bedroom. Megson was a good move for him even if it was incredibly unpopular with the supporters...but "visibly gutted"? We are talking about the chairman who allowed someone to come to work without having signed a ****ing contract thereby allowing him to walk out on us. This was no more than crassly idiotic. Finally, with his reputation at an all time low within the game, he sacks Holloway because...well, who cares what the reasons were because he now can't find a replacement for love nor money. We can't get "the right man" - we are struggling to get any man. I'm not knocking him for his time or energy commitments, even if I knew what they were, because they are wholly irrelevant. He made the appointments, he made most of the signings, he made many mistakes and we are the ones paying for it. I am shocked that anyone can remain blinkered to this.
sdb Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 well obvoiusly everyone will disagree with this but i don't think any of his decisions have been really bad ones without hindesight. ok, ok they've pretty much all been awful (!) but most of them have had our support at the time. no one could have predicted Holloway being so bad, or Megson being wanted by a prem club. And he has put a fair amount of money into us. people here are so trigger happy; things go wrong - get rid of everything and start from scratch. unfortunately this makes things worse more often than not. i can't belive noone seems to have noticed this (i.e. 6/7 years with 1 manager = success; the next 6/7 years with god knows how many managers = horrible failure like never known here before). perhaps too simplistic but i want a bit of consistency somewhere at this club
iancognito Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 I think Milan knows that if this appointment goes wwrong there's nowhere left for him to turn. He's well aware that a club of our size, with our stadium and all the debts we've accumulated through it cannot spend more than a season down in League One. A wrong manager will see fans confidence plummet even further (yes, it's possible) and another season of instability. If it's all going shit shaped by the end of the year, the chants of Milan Out won't be needed, he'll be on the phone to anyone he knows with money and be off like a shot. I just hope that whoever he gets in is "his new Harry Redknapp" because if it isn't, he's screwed and so are we. Incidentally, he's extended it til the end of the week? John Ward might be out on his ear with a possible takeover at Carlisle this week. Wonder if it's connected?
Rich Fox Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Milan has made mistakes, no one is going to deny that including him I'm sure.But him leaving now would be a very bad thing for the club - as one of the posters above commented we've gone too far down this road. He's built a bad reputation but let's look at the facts for a minute Kelly - nice guy but honestly was leading us into the abyss, where we were at the time he had to go and Milan did give time and backing when he arrived Wortho - only bought in on a short contract. Think back, none of us wanted him permanently at the time Allen - I think most of us have accepted now that whatever our feelings at the time we weren't heading in the right direction (and at the time I was screaming Milan out over the decision) Megson - he left us, Milan was visibly gutted Holloway - took us down to the lowest level in our history, completely lost the fans. Had to go I'm normally one who really argues for stability but when you look at the facts it's hard to argue with the decisions on letting them go. A different story obviously on hiring them in the first place. The important thing is we get the right man this time and stick with him. Also to those who seem intent on knocking him. Milan has invested a lot of time, money and energy in the club - something we've been calling out for for years. He's backed every one of his managers even as they've made bad decisions in the transfer market and he can hardly be held to accoutn for the abject performance of some of our 'players' last year can he! Excellent post my friend, we all know milan has made mistakes but there are some pathetic comments on this forum from people blaming milan for anything and everything thats gone wrong at lcfc. They all say the same things and follow like bloody sheep, id put my morgage on them being the same people who wanted oneill out after a few games. Dont suppose our players can take any of the blame for not sodding trying hard enough.
davieG Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 And yet more egg on his face with his end of week appointment statement. http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Lates...1329328,00.html He is the eggman he is the walrus!
Tubes Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=loqxSGsVr4k&...feature=related
James. Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Excellent post my friend, we all know milan has made mistakes but there are some pathetic comments on this forum from people blaming milan for anything and everything thats gone wrong at lcfc. They all say the same things and follow like bloody sheep, id put my morgage on them being the same people who wanted oneill out after a few games.Dont suppose our players can take any of the blame for not sodding trying hard enough. Come on then Rich Fox why don't you explain to everyone the good things he has done for this club?
Daggers Posted 16 June 2008 Author Posted 16 June 2008 people here are so trigger happy; things go wrong - get rid of everything and start from scratch. unfortunately this makes things worse more often than not. i can't belive noone seems to have noticed this (i.e. 6/7 years with 1 manager = success; the next 6/7 years with god knows how many managers = horrible failure like never known here before). perhaps too simplistic but i want a bit of consistency somewhere at this club Being one of the handful of people clearly saying that we should have stuck with Holloway I hardly think I could be called "trigger happy"! Trouble is - I'm hearing the same stuff in this thread all over again...generic statements devoid of detail about the effort and money he has put in. The effort counts for absolutely nothing - only the results, and as top dog he takes responsibility. As for the money, unless you have access to information that I don't, the commonly held belief is that funding has been secured on increased levels of debt that are now to be serviced by a decreased revenue stream.
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