Negativity

[Rocky Dennis]

Im not a very regular poster on here, and im not having a go at anyone im just generally interested as to why there's still quite a bit of negativity flying around?

Ive followed City regularly since 1989 and though that is'nt as long as some others I think ive almost seen it all, highs and lows!

I cant remember feeling so positive about the ,club,team,manager and our general future but I still see quite a bit of moaning on here about seemingly petty things! Why is that?

For the first time in ages we have a manager who seems to know what he's doing, a chairman prepared to back him, players who want to play for the club playing decent attacking football, we're scoring loads,conceding few and sit nicely at the top of the League.

Im amazed that some people can moan about certain players who are'nt picked, or certain players playing where you dont want them to play!

Milan is still being slated by some people, I agree he's done many things wrong but it looks like he's got it right this time!

I just wonder, is it a case of people just winding other people up or are some of us genuinely unhappy about the club?

We'll start losing games eventually, players will have crap games, maybe miss open goals etc.. I dread to think how negative some of us might be then!!

[Hullfox]

Im not a very regular poster on here, and im not having a go at anyone im just generally interested as to why there's still quite a bit of negativity flying around?

Ive followed City regularly since 1989 and though that is'nt as long as some others I think ive almost seen it all, highs and lows!

I cant remember feeling so positive about the ,club,team,manager and our general future but I still see quite a bit of moaning on here about seemingly petty things! Why is that?

For the first time in ages we have a manager who seems to know what he's doing, a chairman prepared to back him, players who want to play for the club playing decent attacking football, we're scoring loads,conceding few and sit nicely at the top of the League.

Im amazed that some people can moan about certain players who are'nt picked, or certain players playing where you dont want them to play!

Milan is still being slated by some people, I agree he's done many things wrong but it looks like he's got it right this time!

I just wonder, is it a case of people just winding other people up or are some of us genuinely unhappy about the club?

We'll start losing games eventually, players will have crap games, maybe miss open goals etc.. I dread to think how negative some of us might be then!!

What I personally think it is Dennis is that some people are genuinely unhappy about their lives.

I think many of us know what this thread has the potential to develop into also.

[Babylon]

What I personally think it is Dennis is that some people are genuinely unhappy about their lives.

I think many of us know what this thread has the potential to develop into also.

You mean where's Leroy Potter MkII.

[Hullfox]

You mean where's Leroy Potter MkII.

Oh Babs, you've done it now.........

[Corky]

I just think some people like to moan, point out the negatives and when they do occur can turn round and say "I told you that was going to happen". It is annoying, sad and needless.

Fans should enjoy it at the moment, I understand that not everything is perfect currently but after the last five years every supporter should be happy and content with the start we've made.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

[JakeShingler]

I just think some people like to moan, point out the negatives and when they do occur can turn round and say "I told you that was going to happen". It is annoying, sad and needless.

Fans should enjoy it at the moment, I understand that not everything is perfect currently but after the last five years every supporter should be happy and content with the start we've made.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Im glad im not the only one who thinks that.

[kendalfox]

We're British. It's what we do. We'll not be happy until it all goes wrong, cause then we'll have something proper to moan about.

[davieG]

I don't think it's negativity it's just football fans being managers it's always happened and always will. Do you not think that even the teams that win the Premier and the Champions League still don't have fans saying why is so and so playing, why couldn't we get 3 points against so and so.

As has been said many times it's just people expressing an opinion about the detail, just because they don't agree 100% with every team selection, every way we approach games doesn't mean they're not happy.

Ignoring the fact we're in the third division I'm very happy with Pearson and was with his appointment because he seemed a man of intelligence and integrity.

I'm well pleased about our current position and am ecstatic about our style of play in fact compared to the last 4/5 season's it's like being in paradise but like many others I still don't like the idea of Dickov on the wing - I don't think that makes me negative - interested, opinionated, my own man, non sycophantic etc but still very positive.

[Legend_in_blue]

How can you not get excited about the prospect of playing Lincoln at home in the JPT?

Seriously though, moaning has been part and parcel of supporting the club over the last few years, so it's little surprise to me that people are finding it difficult to buck the trend, so to speak.

I completely agree though, if your team is performing as ours is, regardless of what league you're playing in, surely you've got to be pleased?

Have a good old moan about the weather instead!

[Thracian]

I don't think it's negativity it's just football fans being managers it's always happened and always will. Do you not think that even the teams that win the Premier and the Champions League still don't have fans saying why is so and so playing, why couldn't we get 3 points against so and so.

As has been said many times it's just people expressing an opinion about the detail, just because they don't agree 100% with every team selection, every way we approach games doesn't mean they're not happy.

Ignoring the fact we're in the third division I'm very happy with Pearson and was with his appointment because he seemed a man of intelligence and integrity.

I'm well pleased about our current position and am ecstatic about our style of play in fact compared to the last 4/5 season's it's like being in paradise but like many others I still don't like the idea of Dickov on the wing - I don't think that makes me negative - interested, opinionated, my own man, non sycophantic etc but still very positive.

Ah but then I don't think Hullfox would say those things about you.

How any critic can be called negative by Hullfox is extraordinary.

He and others like him have sat back and effectively condoned Leicester sliding down it's self-made slippery slope by their dogged belief in managers and convinction that they'll eventually getting it right.

He and Babs have not joined any chorus to bring attacking football to our club when it has been desperately needed. The attitude has been leave it to the manager, he's in charge.

Well I can assure you, now there is the attacking football at our club that I've pleaded for and now that we're sitting at the top of the League as a result, I am extremely happy - for the manager, the players, our more positive fans, the club and for myself.

That doesn't mean I'm willing to ignore things I disagree with though and knowitall seems to have given the truth to my complaints about Dickov. As it happens I like Dickov as a striker and, again, have said times that he offers something extra particularly on the near post and as a goal poacher.

But he's no winger and even if he had brothers and sisters on here arguing differently it would not change the situation.

Knowitall suggests he's got to be in the 16 and I don't think I'm being negative or unhappy in saying I think that's wrong and totally unfair, if true.

And anyone who might have agreed such an arrangement would have been totally disregarding of the ambitions of players competing for Dickov's place.

If Dickov has to get in the 16-man squad for a game, people like Adams or Porter are less likely to. Young people who might do a job here for years.

People will disagree about Dickov's form but from what I've seen I've been disappointed. I don't think he's justified his place at all on the wing and am surprised Pearson persists with the playing him there.

As someone else said, Dickov is a striker option. Howard and Fryatt are in situ on merit and Dickov should therefore be a striker sub.

On the wings there's Dyer and Gradel and the obvious replacements for them, on either flank, are Porter (pre-walkabout) and Adams who are both also central midfield options.

If saying that somehow suggests I'm anti-Pearson, anti-Dickov or laugh-of-laughs, personally unhappy, then I've no idea how the opinion is arrived at but its 100% off target. .

[lavrentis]

I just think some people like to moan, point out the negatives and when they do occur can turn round and say "I told you that was going to happen". It is annoying, sad and needless.

Fans should enjoy it at the moment, I understand that not everything is perfect currently but after the last five years every supporter should be happy and content with the start we've made.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Like my neighbour!

[Hullfox]

Ah but then I don't think Hullfox wouldn't say those things about you.

How any critic can be called negative by Hullfox is extraordinary.

He and others like him have sat back and effectively condoned Leicester sliding down it's self-made slippery slope by their dogged belief in managers and convinction that they'll eventually getting it right.

He and Babs have not joined any chorus to bring attacking football to our club when it has been desperately needed. The attitude has been leave it to the manager, he's in charge.

The thing is Thrach, you know nothing about me or Babs.

Furthermore, as far as it concerns me, you're not likely to either.

[Thracian]

The thing is Thrach, you know nothing about me or Babs.

Furthermore, as far as it concerns me, you're not likely to either.

Shit, that's wrecked my plans!

[Houdini Logic]

To be honest, it's not people's negativity towards the club/players that winds me up on here - It's peoples attitudes towards each other.

It's more about scoring points than making points.

[Webbo]

To be honest, it's not people's negativity towards the club/players that winds me up on here - It's peoples attitudes towards each other.

It's more about scoring points than making points.

[Babylon]

Ah but then I don't think Hullfox wouldn't say those things about you.

How any critic can be called negative by Hullfox is extraordinary.

He and others like him have sat back and effectively condoned Leicester sliding down it's self-made slippery slope by their dogged belief in managers and convinction that they'll eventually getting it right.

He and Babs have not joined any chorus to bring attacking football to our club when it has been desperately needed. The attitude has been leave it to the manager, he's in charge.

Well I can assure you, now there is the attacking football at our club that I've pleaded for and now that we're sitting at the top of the League as a result, I am extremely happy - for the manager, the players, our more positive fans, the club and for myself.

You are so full of yourself it's quite unreal. Your opinions flip flop about so much it's no wonder you think you're always right because you cover every bloody base going.

[Thracian]

You're right and unfortunately it goes back a long way with Hullfox and Babs.

I didn't write the second, third and fourth posts on here but shamefully succumbed to rubbing the irritation caused by responding to them, as most folk would if they were being sniped at, including the posters mentioned.

Nevertheless it probably does me no credit so perhaps I should try harder to refrain.

It's funny though. Babs actually conceded the other week that he "agreed with much of what I say," (football wise), but I don't think it sat easily on his shoulders and he soon seems to have changed his mind.

As for Hullfox well, despite his efforts to make me admit that Pearson's decisions to use Dickov on the right had been "vindicated" I reluctantly disagreed, and a little more firmly so when I read Knowitall's take on the subject which all-but confirmed what I suspected about the reasons

The flames of contention were further fanned by my comments on the driving thread, which really only reflected a chance for me to play Devil's Advocate at a quiet time but which sorely irritated Hullfox not least because I believe he runs a small fleet of lorries and he doubless wouldn't want them hove-to in the rain!

On reflection I do have some regrets about that because I had no wish to annoy Mrs Hullfox who, I have no doubt, is the lovely lady he so described.

[Hullfox]

The flames of contention were further fanned by my comments on the driving thread, which really only reflected a chance for me to play Devil's Advocate at a quiet time but which sorely irritated Hullfox not least because I believe he runs a small fleet of lorries and he doubless wouldn't want them hove-to in the rain!

[Thracian]

If nothing else I'm glad that's brightened your day. Perhaps it will precipitate a change outside!

PS: Apologies if there are no trucks. I thought you'd mentioned a new business involving delieries some time back which I can only imagine had prospered.

[Babylon]

It's funny though. Babs actually conceded the other week that he "agreed with much of what I say," (football wise), but I don't think it sat easily on his shoulders and he soon seems to have changed his mind.

I think I actually said "agree with much of what you say, but you take this way too far".

I agree attacking football would be brilliant.

I agree encouraging youth players is great.

BUT!!! I understand it doesn't always work like that, you need the right mix of ingredients for it to happen. A manager cannot just click his fingers and make amazing things happen. Proof enough the fact we have be waiting for this to happen since the day MON walked out the door.

You go on, and on, and on and on... until the point where people have blood dripping from their eyes!!! We all know how you feel it quite obvious, so repeating it 20 times a day will only serve to grind down peoples patience as it has done with me. You are an armchair manager, you presume to know better than any manager we have even though you are poorly under qualified.

I am not an armchair manager, I will sit back and let happen what happens. Me writing 50 posts a day on the merits of Elvis Hammond will do nothing but give me wrist ache. I've probably clarified my position 5 times in the last 4 years, every time doing so just to shut you up... you always seem to forget those posts though and label me as someone who hates good football, just because I don't like you making out it's easy to win games playing attacking football.

As for sniping at you in this thread, if you class referring to another thread a snipe god help you.

[Babylon]

I'm sure everyone is as sick as me of all this now so i'm going to agree to disagree and leave it there.

[Thracian]

I think I actually said "agree with much of what you say, but you take this way too far".

I agree attacking football would be brilliant.

I agree encouraging youth players is great.

BUT!!! I understand it doesn't always work like that, you need the right mix of ingredients for it to happen. A manager cannot just click his fingers and make amazing things happen. Proof enough the fact we have be waiting for this to happen since the day MON walked out the door.

You go on, and on, and on and on... until the point where people have blood dripping from their eyes!!! We all know how you feel it quite obvious, so repeating it 20 times a day will only serve to grind down peoples patience as it has done with me. You are an armchair manager, you presume to know better than any manager we have even though you are poorly under qualified.

I am not an armchair manager, I will sit back and let happen what happens. Me writing 50 posts a day on the merits of Elvis Hammond will do nothing but give me wrist ache. I've probably clarified my position 5 times in the last 4 years, every time doing so just to shut you up... you always seem to forget those posts though and label me as someone who hates good football, just because I don't like you making out it's easy to win games playing attacking football.

As for sniping at you in this thread, if you class referring to another thread a snipe god help you.

Pearson seems to have made it happen quickly enough.

[davieG]

Sheehan's scored for Leeds

[Thracian]

Sheehan's scored for Leeds

The day gets worse for some! Sounds like he might have had a hand in the fourth too.

[Babylon]

Pearson seems to have made it happen quickly enough.

What did I just say about needing the right ingredients? I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said you need all the right ingredients to fall into place for it to happen (like dropping to our lowest level EVER), which is why we have been waiting 10 years.

Well done Alan Sheehan, found your level at last... shame you aren't good enough to get in our top of the table team.