Head Honcho Posted 2 October 2008 Posted 2 October 2008 are you just trying to be a pr1ck?idiotic football fans sometimes subject black players to racist abuse by making monkey noises, the question was asked, "how could that be seen as racist" I simply stated an example of an argument that could be used No Seriously Don't you see how you associating black people with monkeys could be construed as racist?
Head Honcho Posted 2 October 2008 Posted 2 October 2008 Why did you specify the word "Monkey" ?Unless you associate all black people with Monkeys! You didn't mention "hanging from a tree" when I first asked you the question!
potter3 Posted 2 October 2008 Posted 2 October 2008 I'm sorry. I didn't say it was racist, just that you could interpret it as racist, in that HIV originated from non-human primates ie monkeys. There is a tentative link with the hanging from a tree and what happened to black people in the southern states of the USA when slave trade was rife.Possibly That links in sort of too, but like I said I don't think it was meant to be racist. Homophobic maybe but not racist Most likely a song that's a little over the top song like Fez said.
Simi Posted 3 October 2008 Posted 3 October 2008 Posted by a Yid sorry, Spurs fan, on SUSD. The chant causing the most offense is the one mentioned by Blackcountry Villa. Other than that, it's mainly homosexuality jibes - 'Campbell loves Barrymore', etc.It's split Tottenham fans, mostly because a few aren't happy about the way the image of the club is being tarnished by the media. Most of the media took Campbell's side when he did the dirty on us, so I don't know why we should expect to be sympathised with here. As far as I'm concerned, screw what the media say. I don't need them to guide my trouting moral conscience. Racism? Not as far as I'm aware of. After Arsenal, we have the largest proportion of non-white season ticket holders in the Premier League (probably the entire league) - myself included. We're from an area with a huge black population, many of whom are fans. We also have a black captain who we adore, and a couple of seasons ago we fielded 10 non-white players in a match. Of course, every club has its idiots but Tottenham is not, on the whole, a racist club. The reference to 'hanging from a tree' is nothing to do with lynching black people - it's to do with media reports that he was suicidal. Homophobic? Probably. But we are not singing these songs because we think that Sol Campbell is gay, or because we hate gay people. We're singing it because he cares and we want to unsettle him. The more he moans about it, the more we'll do it. He deserves EVERY bit of abuse he gets, and then some. At the end of the day, I don't understand how you can demonstrate your anger towards someone without being abusive or offensive. I'd rather risk offending people than let the world think that we've forgiven Sol Campbell and that other players can betray us in the future and get away lightly.
Daggers Posted 3 October 2008 Posted 3 October 2008 He deserves EVERY bit of abuse he gets, and then some. Funnily enough - he doesn't. As for the crap about the racial diversity of North London, one look at the YouTube clip Jamie posted shows the demographic of the Tottenham fan perfectly - thick, short-haired white cvnt. They aren't a racially diverse crowd - just like City don't have a proportion of Asians at the match that would represent the make-up of the city of Leicester...the argument is bollocks. He changed teams - so the **** what? It doesn't mean the bloke should be vilified for the rest of his life by a section of society. It's abuse, it was directed at him by the majority of the traveling supporters who should be ashamed of their petty little chants and their pettier minds. It was homophobic chanting. It did have racist overtones. Trying to justify it as aiming to "unsettle" Campbell is pathetic. The twat of a child needs to grow up and live in the real world for a week or two.
Ultra Posted 3 October 2008 Posted 3 October 2008 Funnily enough - he doesn't.As for the crap about the racial diversity of North London, one look at the YouTube clip Jamie posted shows the demographic of the Tottenham fan perfectly - thick, short-haired white cvnt. They aren't a racially diverse crowd - just like City don't have a proportion of Asians at the match that would represent the make-up of the city of Leicester...the argument is bollocks. He changed teams - so the **** what? It doesn't mean the bloke should be vilified for the rest of his life by a section of society. It's abuse, it was directed at him by the majority of the traveling supporters who should be ashamed of their petty little chants and their pettier minds. It was homophobic chanting. It did have racist overtones. Trying to justify it as aiming to "unsettle" Campbell is pathetic. The twat of a child needs to grow up and live in the real world for a week or two. Absolutely. Maybe if Spurs fans were banned for a couple of away games, their fans would get the message. But no doubt Berbatov and Keane will receive similar treatment when they return to Spurs. It's time their fans got a life.
Nationwider Posted 3 October 2008 Posted 3 October 2008 ^^ What Daggers said. It's the usual tired excuses: "Its just part of football"; "They're making everything illegal these days"; "It's political correctness gone mad". If you'd sing it, just stop for a minute, write it down on a piece of paper, look at it and think about it. If you feel a bit embarrassed now, well then you lack a bit of backbone; a bit of moral fibre. If you're conscience is still clear, then (if they've not found you already) your ideological home is probably right here.
Ultra Posted 3 October 2008 Posted 3 October 2008 ^^ What Daggers said.It's the usual tired excuses: "Its just part of football"; "They're making everything illegal these days"; "It's political correctness gone mad". If you'd sing it, just stop for a minute, write it down on a piece of paper, look at it and think about it. If you feel a bit embarrassed now, well then you lack a bit of backbone; a bit of moral fibre. If you're conscience is still clear, then (if they've not found you already) your ideological home is probably right here. Perhaps not, given the origins of a significant section of the Spurs fanbase. No doubt these sensitive souls would be quick to squeal if visiting fans at White Hart Lane started hissing and singing songs about Hitler.
Nationwider Posted 3 October 2008 Posted 3 October 2008 Perhaps not, given the origins of a significant section of the Spurs fanbase.No doubt these sensitive souls would be quick to squeal if visiting fans at White Hart Lane started hissing and singing songs about Hitler. Fair comment, although they do turn up in the most surprising of places at times. A few people in this thread whistling near the wind though...
Daggers Posted 4 October 2008 Posted 4 October 2008 It's time their fans got a life. It's a bit daft someone with nigh-on 25,000 posts saying this...but all fans need a life outside of football. Chants like this are born from a lack of vision and empathy resulting from an insular life or one not yet lived. I wouldn't fly over Nottingham Forest and shit on the bastards below, below. I wouldn't. Firstly, I do not like flying that much. Secondly, my brother lives there and I don't think he'd like it if I did that one little bit. Thirdly, I can't abide the team from my geographical area is better the team from your geographical location.
Alexikokopops Posted 4 October 2008 Posted 4 October 2008 guessing i'll be in the minority but for gods sake its just a few chants at football - heard earlier they were investigating racial and homophobic abuse! There was no racial chants or these days does just chanting about/disliking a black player make you racist? Its gone too far in my opinion no it was homophobic Sol, Sol, wherever you may be Not long now 'til lunacy And we won't give a **** when you're hangin' from a tree You Judas **** with HIV. You could argue that it's racist and homophobic How is that racist? I can't see one racist aspect to that?
Daggers Posted 4 October 2008 Posted 4 October 2008 Hampshire Police should consider arresting Soton's back line this evening - their defending is criminal!
SussexFox Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 what a load of shit the chant was not about hanging black people from trees at all, it was meaning he would hang himself soon cos he was suicidal. u are using your imagination far too much looking for racism when in fact there wasn't any
James. Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 what a load of shit the chant was not about hanging black people from trees at all, it was meaning he would hang himself soon cos he was suicidal. u are using your imagination far too much looking for racism when in fact there wasn't any How do you know?
Tommeh Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 guessing i'll be in the minority but for gods sake its just a few chants at football - heard earlier they were investigating racial and homophobic abuse! There was no racial chants or these days does just chanting about/disliking a black player make you racist? Its gone too far in my opinion agree with that, always seen spurs fans as a decent bunch, if a few thousand fans want to abuse me whilst on £80k a week, then take it away.
Maybes Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 agree with that, always seen spurs fans as a decent bunch, if a few thousand fans want to abuse me whilst on £80k a week, then take it away. Opinions will be split and are bound to be. I will agree with some that the chanting is not nice. However getting the police involved is taking it a step to far IMO. It is assuming far too much that it is racial and homophobic chanting. Im sure me and other in here will get shot at for saying this but it is my opinion.
Alexikokopops Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 what a load of shit the chant was not about hanging black people from trees at all, it was meaning he would hang himself soon cos he was suicidal. u are using your imagination far too much looking for racism when in fact there wasn't any Jesus wept, calm down sunshine. I was merely saying why it could be viewed as racist. Also how do you actually know that it wasn't about lynching? This whole thread is based on speculation and conjecture and I was just adding to that.
JakeShingler Posted 5 October 2008 Posted 5 October 2008 what a load of shit the chant was not about hanging black people from trees at all, it was meaning he would hang himself soon cos he was suicidal. u are using your imagination far too much looking for racism when in fact there wasn't any They were clearly being racist.
Simi Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 They were clearly being racist. If it wasn't put on a plate for you, I seriously doubt you'd be able to come to that conclusion.
SussexFox Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 How do you know? Because of the context it was in - at the time campbell had gone loopy and there reports he was suicidal
Alexikokopops Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 Because of the context it was in - at the time campbell had gone loopy and there reports he was suicidal At the time? The chants were sung a couple of weeks ago. I thought Campbell's loopy phase was over two years ago when he went missing. That's the reason I thought that it could be something a little more sinister.
SussexFox Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 At the time? The chants were sung a couple of weeks ago. I thought Campbell's loopy phase was over two years ago when he went missing. That's the reason I thought that it could be something a little more sinister. Spurs have been singing that song for a while not sure why its only just come out like this
Simi Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 At the time? The chants were sung a couple of weeks ago. I thought Campbell's loopy phase was over two years ago when he went missing. That's the reason I thought that it could be something a little more sinister. They have been singing that for a while mate. If Harry Redknapp hadn't of commented, I doubt there'd of been much fuss.
Daggers Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 Because of the context it was in - at the time campbell had gone loopy and there reports he was suicidal So mocking someone with mental illness is alright is it?
Corky Posted 6 October 2008 Posted 6 October 2008 So mocking someone with mental illness is alright is it? Obviously according to the moronic Spurs supporters.
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