isaidno Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Testing times from Barcelona (Wednesday 11 March) 1. BUTTON Brawn GP 1m19.127s 2. MASSA Ferrari 1m20.168s 3. KUBICA BMW 1m20.217s 4. GLOCK Toyota 1m20.410s 5. ALONSO Renault 1m20.863s 6. VETTEL Red Bull 1m21.165s 7. ROSBERG Williams 1m21.324s 8. FISICHELLA Force India 1m21.545s 9. BUEMI Toro Rosso 1m21.569s 10. HAMILTON McLaren 1m21.657s I really don't fancy Hamiltons chances this year at all. Mclaren haven't showed any pace so far. I think it's between Massa, Kimi & Kubica. Kubica is actually my favorite driver
dandannieldanok Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Testing times from Barcelona (Wednesday 11 March)1. BUTTON Brawn GP 1m19.127s 2. MASSA Ferrari 1m20.168s 3. KUBICA BMW 1m20.217s 4. GLOCK Toyota 1m20.410s 5. ALONSO Renault 1m20.863s 6. VETTEL Red Bull 1m21.165s 7. ROSBERG Williams 1m21.324s 8. FISICHELLA Force India 1m21.545s 9. BUEMI Toro Rosso 1m21.569s 10. HAMILTON McLaren 1m21.657s I really don't fancy Hamiltons chances this year at all. Mclaren haven't showed any pace so far. I think it's between Massa, Kimi & Kubica. Kubica is actually my favorite driver Hopefully that kind of pace is not just a flash in the pan for Brawn GP and Button.
Father Ted Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Where's that pace come from for Brawn GP? TBH, though, these times don't really say too much at the minute. I would think that Red Bull could push on for that 4th spot in the Constructors behind the usual 3.
Father Ted Posted 11 March 2009 Posted 11 March 2009 Button was fasting in testing today, over a second quicker than 2nd place Massa. Could be interesting.Hamilton crashed. Ahhh... that should explain why he was so quick, must have been really light!
isaidno Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Testing times from Barcelona (Thursday 12 March) 1. BARRICHELLO Brawn 1m18.926s 2. ROSBERG Williams 1m19.774s 3. GLOCK Toyota 1m20.091s 4. VETTEL Red Bull 1m20.576s 5. ALONSO Renault 1m20.664s 6. MASSA Ferrari 1m20.677s 7. KUBICA BMW 1m20.740s 8. HAMILTON McLaren 1m20.869s 9. BUEMI Toro Rosso 1m21.013s 10. FISICHELLA Force India 1m21.045s 11. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m21.629s Brawn fastest again , with Hamilton 2 seconds behind again
GLC Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 brawn fastest i could actually get some points in the fantasy league
Legend_in_blue Posted 14 March 2009 Posted 14 March 2009 McLaren have admitted that they are not competitive enough. They'll pull something out of the hat though, they always do.
Brainy Posted 14 March 2009 Posted 14 March 2009 Jenson Button 7/2 Kimi Raikkonen 4/1 Felipe Massa 5/1 Robert Kubica 11/2 Lewis Hamilton 11/2 Fernando Alonso 6/1 Rubens Barrichello 8/1 Sebastien Vettel 14/1 Nick Heidfeld 25/1 Heikki Kovalainen 33/1 Mark Webber 33/1 Timo Glock 40/1 Jarno Trulli 50/1 Nico Rosberg 80/1 Nelson Piquet Jr 100/1 Sebastien Bourdais 125/1 Sebastien Buemi 150/1 Kazuki Nakajima 150/1 Adrian Sutil 200/1 Giancarlo Fisichella 200/1 Brawn's pace in real.
isaidno Posted 14 March 2009 Posted 14 March 2009 Jenson Button 7/2 Kimi Raikkonen 4/1 Felipe Massa 5/1 Robert Kubica 11/2 Lewis Hamilton 11/2 Fernando Alonso 6/1 Rubens Barrichello 8/1 Sebastien Vettel 14/1 Nick Heidfeld 25/1 Heikki Kovalainen 33/1 Mark Webber 33/1 Timo Glock 40/1 Jarno Trulli 50/1 Nico Rosberg 80/1 Nelson Piquet Jr 100/1 Sebastien Bourdais 125/1 Sebastien Buemi 150/1 Kazuki Nakajima 150/1 Adrian Sutil 200/1 Giancarlo Fisichella 200/1 Brawn's pace in real. I assume these are for the race, not the title ?
Father Ted Posted 14 March 2009 Posted 14 March 2009 I assume these are for the race, not the title ? Do you reckon it would be worth putting a bit of money on Brawn GP winning constructors and Jenson and Rubens to do well this year?
isaidno Posted 14 March 2009 Posted 14 March 2009 Formula 1 - 2009 Drivers Championship - (Championship winner)Friday 27th of March, 2009 Time Selection Odds Kimi Raikkonen 7/2 Lewis Hamilton 7/2 Felipe Massa 9/2 Fernando Alonso 5/1 Jenson Button 7/1 Robert Kubica 7/1 Rubens Barrichello 14/1 Sebastian Vettel 16/1 Nick Heidfeld 20/1 Heikki Kovalainen 33/1 Timo Glock 40/1 Jarno Trulli 50/1 Mark Webber 50/1 Nico Rosberg 66/1 Nelson Piquet Jnr 125/1 Kazuki Nakajima 200/1 Sebastien Bourdais 200/1 Sebastien Buemi 200/1 Adrian Sutil 500/1 Giancarlo Fisichella 500/1 I can't believe Button is 7/1 , stupidly low odds
Brainy Posted 14 March 2009 Posted 14 March 2009 I assume these are for the race, not the title ? For the OZ gP, yeah
The Stig Posted 15 March 2009 Author Posted 15 March 2009 Button As for the whole McLaren not quick thing, it won't be the first time they've decided to play a few mind games at the start of the season. Pre season testing can't always be trusted.
GLC Posted 15 March 2009 Posted 15 March 2009 Button As for the whole McLaren not quick thing, it won't be the first time they've decided to play a few mind games at the start of the season. Pre season testing can't always be trusted. Don't say that, i have hope!!
Ultra Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 Race wiins will decide world title Formula 1 has introduced a new points system that will see the driver with most wins crowned world champion. The current points system will still operate to decide a tie if two drivers have the same wins and to define all other championship positions. Had the new rules been in place in 2008, Lewis Hamilton would have lost the title to runner-up Felipe Massa. From 2010, there will be an optional budget cap of £30m that will reduce some teams' spending by 90%. The new rules were approved by the World Motor Sport Council of governing body the FIA at a meeting in Paris on Tuesday. It rejected a proposal by the F1 Teams' Association to tweak the points system to 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 from first to eighth places. Instead, the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system will stay in place. The budget cap is an attempt to make F1 more accessible to new teams. Teams choosing to operate within the budget cap will be allowed more technical freedom. Those teams will be allowed: a more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) underbody; movable wings; an engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze. Teams can choose to spend what they like, but operate within more restrictive technical rules - and therefore have a theoretically slower car. Not a great move. It will mean drivers will follow team orders even more than they do so at present. The previous system at least rewarded the most consistent drivers.
Wycombe Fox Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 So the Driver's Championship will be decided on the number of wins and the points system will only be called upon in the event of two or more drivers having the same number of wins. Undecided on this change personally.
Darkzzz_ Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 I think I like the new rule change if I am honest.
dandannieldanok Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 Race wiins will decide world titleNot a great move. It will mean drivers will follow team orders even more than they do so at present. The previous system at least rewarded the most consistent drivers. Agreed, I'm not a supporter of this move at all. If they wanted more emphasis on race wins, then why not just award 12 points for a win and not 10, like the team's association suggested.
welck12 Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 I gotta say i like it. It'll encourage more overtaking as drivers know they cant always afford to settle for second place; well in theory anyway. I dont think it'll have any real effect on team orders, drivers will still follow them same as before
Number 6 Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 Don't like the new rules, is consistently finishing second worth nothing? The 12 point idea is much better. Oh well, come on Vettel!
welck12 Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 Don't like the new rules, is consistently finishing second worth nothing? The 12 point idea is much better. Oh well, come on Vettel! How can someone be classed as the "best" if they continuously finish second? Granted they have great consistency; but it means they were always beaten by someone else in a race, where the aim is to win. No-one ever goes into a race thinking 'right i'm going to come second'. I'm not saying this new system is the answer, granted it does rule out the consistency which should be taken into account, but at least its a start and stops the farce happening like at the end of last season
Number 6 Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 How can someone be classed as the "best" if they continuously finish second? Granted they have great consistency; but it means they were always beaten by someone else in a race, where the aim is to win. No-one ever goes into a race thinking 'right i'm going to come second'.I'm not saying this new system is the answer, granted it does rule out the consistency which should be taken into account, but at least its a start and stops the farce happening like at the end of last season Obviously no-one sets out to finish second but finishing second every race second would be a great achievement and also require a very reliable car (which should be rewarded). Just because someone has a 1 off brilliant race does not mean they should finish above someone who gets consistent podiums. Would people really be happy if football tables were decided on number of wins? People say this will help overtaking but if the winner is way out in front I think it means less chance of overtaking, what's the incentive to get into 2nd from 3rd? Though you're right about the end of last season.
Jimmy Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 Formula 1 is focked Formula 1 has introduced a new points system which will result in the driver with most wins crowned world champion.The current points system will still operate to decide a tie if two drivers have the same wins and to define all other championship positions. From 2010, there will be an optional budget cap of £30m that could reduce some teams' spending by 90%. F1 teams association (Fota) released a statement expressing "disappointment and concern" with the decision. Despite agreeing to a raft of cost-cutting measures for the 2009 season and beyond, Fota are against introducing a limited budget for each team. Currently, the richest teams are spending as much as 10 times more than the £30m suggested under the budget cap. In the light of the FIA's latest regulation changes, Fota chairman, Ferrari president Luca di Montezemelo, reiterated the teams' concerns. "Fota would like to express its disappointment and concern at the fact that these have been taken in a unilateral manner," he said. "The framework of the regulations as defined by the FIA, to be applicable from 2010, runs the risk of turning on its head the very essence of Formula 1 and the principles that make it one of the most popular and appealing sports." The budget cap is an attempt to make F1 more accessible to new teams. Teams choosing to operate within the budget cap will be allowed more technical freedom. Those teams will be allowed: a more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) underbody; movable wings; an engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze. Teams can choose to spend what they like, but operate within more restrictive technical rules - and therefore have a theoretically slower car. The new rules were approved by the World Motor Sport Council of governing body the FIA at a meeting in Paris on Tuesday. It rejected a proposal by the F1 Teams' Association to tweak the points system to 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 from first to eighth places. Instead, the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system will stay in place. Had the new rules been in place in 2008, Lewis Hamilton would have lost the title to runner-up Felipe Massa as the Brazilian had six wins compared to Hamilton's five. Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone announced his intention to shake-up the points system at the end of last season. Ecclestone's idea was to award the top three drivers with gold, silver and bronze medals with the driver capturing the most golds crowned champion. While the medals have been abandoned, the new system delivers on Ecclestone's wish of rewarding the driver with the most victories. The F1 chief believes the new system will be a success and will also encourage overtaking. "If you're in the lead and I'm second, I wouldn't want to risk falling off the circuit or doing something stupid to get two points," Ecclestone told BBC Radio Five Live. "The decision was unanimously agreed by the World Council. But we will leave all points in all of the other championships as they are at the moment. "If I need a gold medal to win the championship, I will overtake. It's just not on that someone can win the championship without winning a race." However, the new system could see the season settled much earlier. The points distribution was introduced in 2003, partly to try to ensure the world championship stayed open for longer at a time when Michael Schumacher and Ferrari were dominating the sport. Former British F1 driver now commentator Martin Brundle says he will reserve judgement on the alterations. "I don't really fully see the need to change it," he said. "What we may just have is some more exciting races where they're desperate to take the win rather than settling for second on a particular day, but whether it will generate a more worthy champion remains to be seen." The FIA also announced plans to publish the weights of the cars after qualifying for each Grand Prix. That could give a clue to which teams are using the optional kinetic energy recovery system (Kers). Formula 1 2008 review Kers, which allows drivers a boost of an extra 80bhp for 6.7 seconds each lap, weighs around 35kg and could tip some cars - complete with their drivers - over the minimum weight of 605kg. To improve clarity, wet tyres have also been renamed "intermediates" and extreme weather tyres are now called "wet". With in-season testing now banned, the FIA will only allow teams to carry out eight one-day aerodynamic tests on a straight piece of track. Teams will also be allowed to carry out three one-day young driver training tests between the season-ending Grand Prix and the end of the calendar year. 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lildave3 Posted 17 March 2009 Posted 17 March 2009 Facey F1 Dream Team I'll start a league if a few people join
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