Head Honcho Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Looking pretty dreary for the Palestinians, but that's the price you pay for supporting "terrorist" organizations. Looks like it's gonna be a pretty vicious and indiscriminate ground attack by Israel but if someone was randomly throwing bricks at your window you wouldn't stand by and do nothing would you?
davieG Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 And when they've finished their bombardment they'll al live happily ever after - ah.
Mort Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 If I was Israel I’d want to flatern anyone who was lobbing missiles into my cities and killing my civilians and Hamas is frankly crackers if they think that their going to gain anything from attacking Israel and provoking these kinds of attacks... but in the end none of this is going to change anything. Am I being hopelessly simplistic... because if i can see how pointless most of this fighting is why cant the Israeli and Palestinian leadership.
Ultra Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 It's pretty clear who are the terrorists here - and it's not the Palestinians. Israel, indulged and bankrolled by its American sugar daddies, has been allowed to flout international law for far too long. The one blessing is that it's not attacking Iran - a country which has the means to launch a more powerful response. But it's time for Britain and Europe to demand a ceasefire - and impose sanctions on Israel if it refuses to comply.
Ultra Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Am I being hopelessly simplistic Yes. The Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians are wrong. But they do not compare with the onslaughts that Israel have regularly launched upon the Palestinians and others.
samuel Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Really Ultra?.Why does your very simplistic overview of the situation not surprise me? Unbelevably naive!
Vacamion Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 It's pretty clear who are the terrorists here - and it's not the Palestinians. Lobbing rockets at your neighbour and sending your young people onto your neighbour's buses with bombs strapped to them doesnt count as terrorism?
Guest Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Really Ultra?.Why does your very simplistic overview of the situation not surprise me?Unbelevably naive! Come on then, you delight in telling us all how naive we are, so what is the correct answer?
Hullfox Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 It's pretty clear who are the terrorists here - and it's not the Palestinians. The Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians are wrong. But not terrorism eh?
frenzal Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Lobbing rockets at your neighbour and sending your young people onto your neighbour's buses with bombs strapped to them doesnt count as terrorism? He said the attacks on Isreali civilians were wrong. Israel's abuses of Palestine far outweigh anything Hamas have done...miliary attacks, restricting water supplies etc, constantly settling in Palestinian territories, they've even got away with murdering a British journalist and aid worker. Spent a month out there a couple of years ago, aggressive and hostile doesn't do justice to how I found people out there.
davieG Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 All sides of this on going war feel they have legitimate grievances, all sides have, and are guilty of using unnecessary violence. Considering how long this has been going on it's a bit mute to blame one or the other for starting/maintaining it. I should imagine that the sides feel who ever has the upperhand from military/violence perspective will feel that if they ever get to a point of realistic dialogue for bringing it to an end gives them the edge at those talks. Once a hatred for something/someone is embedded it's almost impossible to overcome, obviously at this time none of them are prepared to grin and bear it.
davieG Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 He said the attacks on Isreali civilians were wrong. Israel's abuses of Palestine far outweigh anything Hamas have done...miliary attacks, restricting water supplies etc, constantly settling in Palestinian territories, they've even got away with murdering a British journalist and aid worker. Spent a month out there a couple of years ago, aggressive and hostile doesn't do justice to how I found people out there. Was that 2 weeks with the Israelis and two weeks with the Palestinians - just to get a balanced view?
Ultra Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Really Ultra?.Why does your very simplistic overview of the situation not surprise me?Unbelevably naive! At least I'm literate..
davieG Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 At least I'm literate.. how to win lose an argument
Hullfox Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 At least I'm literate.. Yeah, that's the style. You've won this argument hands down mate solely based on you being literate.
Hullfox Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 At least I'm literate.. Derby have under-achieved badly this season and could easily be dragged into a relegation battle, especially if Manyoo didh out a hiding to them in the League Cup. Yeah, at least you're literate.
samuel Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Ultra, i've been soundly beaten. But at least my typo has given some insight into your armoury. Moronic, is a word that is suitably fitting at this juncture.
samuel Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Was that 2 weeks with the Israelis and two weeks with the Palestinians - just to get a balanced view?
Ultra Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 Ultra, i've been soundly beaten. But at least my typo has given some insight into your armoury. Moronic, is a word that is suitably fitting at this juncture. So what word would you use for someone who proudly rejoices in the slaughter of fellow human beings - like the starter of this thread? It's been said before, but Israel should know better.
samuel Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 So what word would you use for someone who proudly rejoices in the slaughter of fellow human beings - like the starter of this thread? It's been said before, but Israel should know better. A realist!. Oh no that would be Tony Blair then wouldn't it?
stez Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 if i owned a house, and someone came and plonked themselves in the middle of that house and i wa left with one bathroom and an attic, because the bible said my new neighbours owned the middle part, i'd be slightly narked. sadly it stems from the days when 'the west'/the winners in wwII considered the 'rag heads' nothing more than slightly better thn donkies
Ultra Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 if i owned a house, and someone came and plonked themselves in the middle of that house and i wa left with one bathroom and an attic, because the bible said my new neighbours owned the middle part, i'd be slightly narked. sadly it stems from the days when 'the west'/the winners in wwII considered the 'rag heads' nothing more than slightly better thn donkies And as recent events have shown, many still do..
Dr The Singh Posted 4 January 2009 Posted 4 January 2009 if i owned a house, and someone came and plonked themselves in the middle of that house and i wa left with one bathroom and an attic, because the bible said my new neighbours owned the middle part, i'd be slightly narked. sadly it stems from the days when 'the west'/the winners in wwII considered the 'rag heads' nothing more than slightly better thn donkies That's the crux of the problem, and it has never been settled amicably. Unfortunately neither side is willing to give an inch, the palestinians have initially lost out and were never compensated, and the current landscape of palestine has been split into two!! But the palestinians action of 'jihadic' response has not helped them one bit, but infact has given them a very bad image. In my opinion the palestinians have very little chioce but to accept the general consenses and try to build there nation, an d when the time is right begin to renegotiate he landscape!! Israel, on the other hand have been pun ishing the palestinians and flexes it's muscle against the weaker, would it dare try and do that to Lebanon????? Protecting one's nation at the effect of butchering another, is also not right and is counter productive!!
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