Geert Wilders

[lavrentis]

Geert Wilders who has made an Anti-Islamic video has been denied entry into the UK. Should he have been allowed in as it is freedom of speech or is he just trying to promote hatred?

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Here is the video he tried to show the UK Government.(contains violence)

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[Head Honcho]

Geert Wilders who has made an Anti-Islamic video has been denied entry into the UK. Should he have been allowed in as it is freedom of speech or is he just trying to promote hatred?

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Here is the video he tried to show the UK Government.(contains violence)

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I'm sure If he'd have booked a seat on Eurostar and kept his visit to himself then I have no doubt he'd have been allowed to stay-in fact I doubt he'd have been questioned at all.

[Koke]

The bloke is an extremist, just as bad as some of the Muslim extremist who live here. Some of stuff he comes out with are an absolute disgrace. He promotes nothing but pure hatred.

[ASH17LCFC]

The bloke is an extremist, just as bad as some of the Muslim extremist who live here. Some of stuff he comes out with are an absolute disgrace. He promotes nothing but pure hatred.

Sorry but when was the last time he and his crownies killed thousands of people ? He is right about our governments being a disgrace because they are. People are getting fed up of immigrants.

[Head Honcho]

The bloke is an extremist, just as bad as some of the Muslim extremist who live here. Some of stuff he comes out with are an absolute disgrace. He promotes nothing but pure hatred.

Just a few of his ideas taken from Wiki so which ones would you say are out of order?

Banning Islamic headwear in public functions, Disagree

Ending all admittance of asylum seekers, Agree

Creating a maximum limit of 5000 political refugees, Agree

Creating a 5 year moratorium on bride taking from foreign countries, Agree I'd make it 10 years

Cutting taxes dramatically, Disagree

Decreasing the number of civil servants by half, Agree

Stopping enlargement of the EU, Agree

Changing prisoner laws to house 5 in one cell, Agree

Building feeding camps and discipline schools, Not sure what they are tbh!

Expanding the police while using the army within public zones, Agree

Deporting criminals with a dual nationality, Agree

Banning Islamic schools, Agree ban all religious schools

Test school children about the Dutch national identity, Disagree

[Ultra]

The bloke is an extremist, just as bad as some of the Muslim extremist who live here. Some of stuff he comes out with are an absolute disgrace. He promotes nothing but pure hatred.

The guy is a modern-day Nazi.

He is using the same language about Muslims that Hitler used about Jews. Indeed he is already on race-hate charges in his own country.

We don't need him here. The government was right to ban him.

[Koke]

Just a few of his ideas taken from Wiki so which ones would you say are out of order?

Banning Islamic headwear in public functions, Disagree

Ending all admittance of asylum seekers, Agree

Creating a maximum limit of 5000 political refugees, Agree

Creating a 5 year moratorium on bride taking from foreign countries, Agree I'd make it 10 years

Cutting taxes dramatically, Disagree

Decreasing the number of civil servants by half, Agree

Stopping enlargement of the EU, Agree

Changing prisoner laws to house 5 in one cell, Agree

Building feeding camps and discipline schools, Not sure what they are tbh!

Expanding the police while using the army within public zones, Agree

Deporting criminals with a dual nationality, Agree

Banning Islamic schools, Agree ban all religious schools

Test school children about the Dutch national identity, Disagree

It's more to do with his views of Islam in general.

- He likened the Koran to Mein Kampf

- He has no time for innocent Palestinians who die in their thousands.

- He's calling for Islamic books to be banned completely whilst arguing that he has right for his free speech (as despicable and hateful it is)

- He's an extreme right wing equivalent to our BNP - but 10 times worse.

I have tales of the stuff he has come out with in the Dutch press but I'll try and see if I can find links to it. Loads of people in his native country - Dutch, Moroccans, Turks etc - thinks he's a complete nutter and he has become so obsessed with Islam and has spouted hateful incitements that he's been arrested on several occasions.

[ASH17LCFC]

It's more to do with his views of Islam in general.

- He likened the Koran to Mein Kampf

- He has no time for innocent Palestinians who die in their thousands.

- He's calling for Islamic books to be banned completely whilst arguing that he has right for his free speech (as despicable and hateful it is)

- He's an extreme right wing equivalent to our BNP - but 10 times worse.

I have tales of the stuff he has come out with in the Dutch press but I'll try and see if I can find links to it. Loads of people in his native country - Dutch, Moroccans, Turks etc - thinks he's a complete nutter and he has become so obsessed with Islam and has spouted hateful incitements that he's been arrested on several occasions.

Islam go mental because someone calls a teddy bear Mohammed and the Muslims say she should be stonned to death A newpaper draws a cartoon of Mohammed and Muslims claim Demark should be nuked

I don't agree with any relgion but Islam pisses me off.

[Head Honcho]

It's more to do with his views of Islam in general.

- He likened the Koran to Mein Kampf

- He has no time for innocent Palestinians who die in their thousands.

- He's calling for Islamic books to be banned completely whilst arguing that he has right for his free speech (as despicable and hateful it is)

- He's an extreme right wing equivalent to our BNP - but 10 times worse.

I have tales of the stuff he has come out with in the Dutch press but I'll try and see if I can find links to it. Loads of people in his native country - Dutch, Moroccans, Turks etc - thinks he's a complete nutter and he has become so obsessed with Islam and has spouted hateful incitements that he's been arrested on several occasions.

So your dislike for him is purely based on his views of Islam.

[Koke]

So your dislike for him is purely based on his views of Islam.

As Ultra said, he's a modern day Nazi.

I don't know about you, but I find that a good enough reason not to like him.

[Thracian]

Of course not.

Geert Wilders is a white man the Government feared would preach hatred.

And their servants were right on the ball in kicking him out.

Contrast that with who they've let in over the years and how slowly they've dealt with their hatred.

It's not that they're wrong today. Quite the contrary.

It's just that they are right so selectively and when it suits them.

[Koke]

Of course not.

Geert Wilders is a white man the Government feared would preach hatred.

And their servants were right on the ball in kicking him out.

Contrast that with who they've let in over the years and how slowly they've dealt with their hatred.

It's not that they're wrong today. Quite the contrary.

It's just that they are right so selectively and when it suits them.

I agree. I hate lunatics like Abu Hamza running about spouting hatred on us.

This Dutch extremist and goons like Abu Hamza are both despicable men of the highest order and should not be allowed in this country.

[Head Honcho]

As Ultra said, he's a modern day Nazi.

I don't know about you, but I find that a good enough reason not to like him.

He's about as far away from being a Nazi as you could get! Just because he's right wing doesn't make him a Nazi.

[cisono]

Stopping enlargement of the EU, Agree

Indeed, actually, dismantle the EU!

Test school children about the Dutch national identity, Disagree

I agree with your disagreement.

What good is it to test about the Dutch National Identity? We live in the UK!

[Nationwider]

I wouldn't let him in. A 'no' for me.

On another matter, if we tested British kids on national identity, we'd be deporting the little shits by the thousand. Basic general knowledge in children these days is utterly appalling.

[Guest]

Geert Wilders who has made an Anti-Islamic video has been denied entry into the UK. Should he have been allowed in as it is freedom of speech or is he just trying to promote hatred?

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Here is the video he tried to show the UK Government.(contains violence)

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Freedom of speech exists, but only to a point. These allow us to stop tits like this and that Abul Hamza preaching their bigoted hatred.

Ending all admittance of asylum seekers, Agree

Creating a maximum limit of 5000 political refugees, Agree

Refugees and asylum seekers are pretty much the same thing.

[Guest Bilo]

I personally feel that this man should have been allowed into the country.

The fact that he has banned from entry and the likes of Yusuf al-Qaradawi and Ibrahim Moussawi, noted anti-semites both, have been allowed to enter the country (the former for a meeting with the Mayor of London no less) only plays into the hands of those who believe that the authorities pussy-foot around the sensibilities of Muslims, the BNP must be having a field day. Wilders' views are hateful, of that there is no doubt, but surely a man who has stated that homosexuals should be treated 'the same as any other sexual pervert' and another who has called the Jews 'a lesion on the forehead of history' are every bit as hateful?

I disagree strongly with Wilders but surely it would have been better to allow him entry into the country and allow us to expose his views for what they are? The sad irony of all this is that if he had been allowed to enter the country without a fuss he wouldn't have enjoyed half the publicity he is now and I sincerely doubt we'd have a thread on the issue of his being in the UK. By banning him from entry, the government has allowed Wilders to paint himself as a 'martyr' and tell the world that free speech is being suppressed because of the Islamification of Britain. This is a message that will resonate with many in Europe who already believe this and the Home Office has made a huge mistake by banning this man from entering the country.

[Guest]

I disagree strongly with Wilders but surely it would have been better to allow him entry into the country and allow us to expose his views for what they are?

This guy is playing on insecurities that the indigenous population already have. Yes, there are people who can see it for what it is, but there are going to be those out there who are more likely to jump onto his bandwagon.

As I said earlier, freedom of speech can be restricted.

Article 10 Freedom of expression

1 Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2 The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

The highlighted parts are what our government will be relying on.

[Dr The Singh]

For me, it's an issue of consistancy, I feel this will open a whole can of worms to those diplomats that may have or harbour fascist opinions of any kind against any race!! And to be fair there are so many, including those from Islamic Nations, African Nations, India......what's the government gonna do, ban them all OR is it one rule for one and one for another??????

[lavrentis]

WHat I think is would the government have acted the same if he was a critic of Christianity? I think the government do see Islam as a threat and that is why they have banned him.

[Guest Bilo]

This guy is playing on insecurities that the indigenous population already have. Yes, there are people who can see it for what it is, but there are going to be those out there who are more likely to jump onto his bandwagon.

The kind of people who would have jumped on his bandwagon had he been allowed to enter the UK will now go on YouTube and search out his video for themselves. His absence from the country will not prevent that, in fact the publicity generated by his exclusion is just as likely to exacerbate the situation.

Also, any insecurities the indigenous population might have had about Islamic influence on the government will surely be worsened by the seeming double standards of a Labour government that allows hatemongers from the Middle East to air their poisonous views (often sanctioning the murder of civilians) yet bans an elected MP of a fellow EU member state from getting any further than Heathrow.

In an ideal world, none of the hatemongers should have been allowed to pass but unfortunately a precedent has been set and the message would appear to many that anti-semitism and homophobia are within the boundaries of free speech but Islamophobia isn't.

[Dr The Singh]

The kind of people who would have jumped on his bandwagon had he been allowed to enter the UK will now go on YouTube and search out his video for themselves. His absence from the country will not prevent that, in fact the publicity generated by his exclusion is just as likely to exacerbate the situation.

Also, any insecurities the indigenous population might have had about Islamic influence on the government will surely be worsened by the seeming double standards of a Labour government that allows hatemongers from the Middle East to air their poisonous views (often sanctioning the murder of civilians) yet bans an elected MP of a fellow EU member state from getting any further than Heathrow.

In an ideal world, none of the hatemongers should have been allowed to pass but unfortunately a precedent has been set and the message would appear to many that anti-semitism and homophobia are within the boundaries of free speech but Islamophobia isn't.

I absolutely agree wih BMRB, this will only bring about media attention, and which way the attention will go, could lead to more Islamophobia and give haters more ammo, which inturn will work towards Islamic people alienating themselves etc!!

[breadandcheese]

As Singh said, this is solely an issue of consistency by the Home Office, with a rather nasty element of backing down in the face of extremism.

Whilst I agree with the decision to ban Mr Wilders (he is nothing more than a peddler of hate), there are questions to be raised as to why other extremists have been allowed into our country to give lectures and talks. Hezbollah speakers, etc, have all been allowed entry to use freedom of speech, for the sole purpose of fostering discord between communities.

There is also a nasty element of gunboat diplomacy entering community cohesion. Lord Ahmed spoke of a muslim reaction from anger within extremist elements of the muslim community should Mr. Wilders be allowed to give his presentation in the Lords. I'm worried that a situation is being created where the most outraged group of society gets its way. It is taking the gunboat diplomacy from the 1900s and applying it to our communities, using a veiled threat of violence to achieve results. It is this that is a worrying precedent and possibly explains the decision to allow some extremist speakers into our country over others, on the basis that the community whom is offended will not kick up a fuss. That is why the government desperately needs to create some consistency in who is allowed a visa and who is not to stop this becoming a reality or appearing to be the case as it is now.

[Babylon]

He can come in... but only if he brings me some dutch waffles. I fecking love those bad boys!!!

[Guest]

For me, it's an issue of consistancy, I feel this will open a whole can of worms to those diplomats that may have or harbour fascist opinions of any kind against any race!! And to be fair there are so many, including those from Islamic Nations, African Nations, India......what's the government gonna do, ban them all OR is it one rule for one and one for another??????

This is true. However, if you are thinking of Abul Hamza, his situation is more complicated. For a start, he is a nationalised Brit (although this was being challenged and appealed etc).

There have been instances where Muslim clerics have been refused entry into the UK; Yusuf al-Qaradawi for a start. Plus, there is a list of organisations whose members are not allowed to enter the UK. There is also a list of named individuals who are not allowed in, including Muslim clerics.

The kind of people who would have jumped on his bandwagon had he been allowed to enter the UK will now go on YouTube and search out his video for themselves. His absence from the country will not prevent that, in fact the publicity generated by his exclusion is just as likely to exacerbate the situation.

Also, any insecurities the indigenous population might have had about Islamic influence on the government will surely be worsened by the seeming double standards of a Labour government that allows hatemongers from the Middle East to air their poisonous views (often sanctioning the murder of civilians) yet bans an elected MP of a fellow EU member state from getting any further than Heathrow.

In an ideal world, none of the hatemongers should have been allowed to pass but unfortunately a precedent has been set and the message would appear to many that anti-semitism and homophobia are within the boundaries of free speech but Islamophobia isn't.

See my reply above. Consistency is key, but that is not to say that Muslims have always been allowed to come in to our country to preach hate. The same argument that you use re: Youtube is equally applicable to Muslims who are already feeling isolated, and are turning to extremist views.

In an ideal world, we should all be allowed to think and believe what we want, as long we do no harm to anything or anyone, and we should be allowed to do this without fear of being persecuted or murdered for our beliefs.