Cobbo Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 So, we are still unbeaten and top....but, we have not been as convincing in games of late, compared to earlier in the seaon. Clearly, Davies was quality and we loved having him here. However, do you think we're now suffering more from losing him after getting used to a style of play with him involved? The only game we really have been convinving in since his departure was Walsall away, although we have still won a couple of others. I am a bit worried (because I always worry, even when 4-1 up v Walsall I was worried) that we will now lack a bit of dynamic play in the final third for the rest of the season. It must be great playing along side someone like Davies, but you would get used to it. Used to a style of play and then when it is suddenly gone, what do you do? The way he played as a central midfielder was very unique and therefore I don't think his role can be replaced, especially with the players we currently have at our disposal. Am I chatting bollocks again cos I have no one to speak to?
dandannieldanok Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 Plain and simply we miss his quality in the middle of the park, Cleverley just isn't as good despite all of his efforts.
Joe. Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 His loss is definitely felt; potentially he was one of the best, if not the best player in the league at the time so it's natural that we're feeling it. Cleverley just ism't Davies, despite one brilliant performance at Walsall. The midfield is lacking in cutting edge and attacking prowess at the moment, and until Pearson changes things (i.e. adios to Lloyd for a bit) it will continue like this.
Poakey Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 So, we are still unbeaten and top....but, we have not been as convincing in games of late, compared to earlier in the seaon.Clearly, Davies was quality and we loved having him here. However, do you think we're now suffering more from losing him after getting used to a style of play with him involved? The only game we really have been convinving in since his departure was Walsall away, although we have still won a couple of others. I am a bit worried (because I always worry, even when 4-1 up v Walsall I was worried) that we will now lack a bit of dynamic play in the final third for the rest of the season. It must be great playing along side someone like Davies, but you would get used to it. Used to a style of play and then when it is suddenly gone, what do you do? The way he played as a central midfielder was very unique and therefore I don't think his role can be replaced, especially with the players we currently have at our disposal. Am I chatting bollocks again cos I have no one to speak to? You can talk to me!
Craig Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 I was actually thinking this earlier, i agree. Hopefully we'll get over it soon though, and i'm sure we will.
maddog Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 So, we are still unbeaten and top....but, we have not been as convincing in games of late, compared to earlier in the seaon.Clearly, Davies was quality and we loved having him here. However, do you think we're now suffering more from losing him after getting used to a style of play with him involved? The only game we really have been convinving in since his departure was Walsall away, although we have still won a couple of others. I am a bit worried (because I always worry, even when 4-1 up v Walsall I was worried) that we will now lack a bit of dynamic play in the final third for the rest of the season. It must be great playing along side someone like Davies, but you would get used to it. Used to a style of play and then when it is suddenly gone, what do you do? The way he played as a central midfielder was very unique and therefore I don't think his role can be replaced, especially with the players we currently have at our disposal. Am I chatting bollocks again cos I have no one to speak to? Yes Of course we are missing Davies but Berner is playing very well, King is playing well. Its the wingers that are struggling, Adams is back now i suppose, Dyers struggling, Gradels not playing, Porters invisible, Cleverly looked creative and attacking and i thought best on the pitch V Swindon and was subed off. We could certainly do with another Davies from somewhere. Its probably a complacency problem with the players, im sure if we lose a couple of games it will be the kick up the arse they need to start playing, and trying, and looking they have the desire to win. Getting relegated help us in that respect, now the complacency is setting in again IMO. Even Pearson didn't seem to bothered about the 3 home draws. Saying im not worried, i won't change tact etc etc etc.
Napoleon In Rags Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 I agree, perhaps a bit of complacency aswell seeing as they were used to him driving forward and creating chances and just expected it to continue. Cleverly is not in the same mould. That said i think King and Oakley as a centre midfield partnership will see us promoted but perhaps not as quickly. It would be nice to see a player with a bit more pace and directness in the midfield so perhaps bring back Gradel?
Cobbo Posted 17 February 2009 Author Posted 17 February 2009 It's not so much that we're missing Davies specifically I am trying to get at btw (although of course we are) - just that the players in the side will have got used to playing alongside a certain style of play from our central midfield, and so our play as a team is now not so cohesive as we have not been able to adjust as well as we might have done. I'm sure Nige will sort it
Anish Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 Davies was a cut above, we all knew it and I'm sure the other players in the team did too. Sadly our midfield has lost it since his departure - Cleverley is nowhere near as good and with the way Dyer is playing at the moment we've only got 3 players in midfield who are doing anything. Pearson needs to think of something fast otherwise I can see things continue to slip.
Guest shearfox Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 Davis is a loss but we were winnning all the time before him... At the moment too many players are off form, fryatt has lost his scoring touch and dyer seems to be lacking confidence, he isn't the player he was before the new year.
Cobbo Posted 17 February 2009 Author Posted 17 February 2009 Davis is a loss but we were winnning all the time before him... At the moment too many players are off form, fryatt has lost his scoring touch and dyer seems to be lacking confidence, he isn't the player he was before the new year. Yes we were - so does this emphasise the point that we are not missing the individual, but have got used to playing with a olayer with his style and not been able to adjust after he's left?
RowlattsFox Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 Davies was quality and we were never going to replace him with someone as good. Cleverley is inconsistent, but I think the current midfield should be good enough to take us up. Pearson is clearly not fancying Gradel at the minute, unless he's got problems again. Can't comment on Dyers performance tonight but we have lacked width in the last few games because Dyers strays inside too much and with Oakley/Cleverley are not wide players. Gilbert has also suffered with no winger infront of him.
Munzie Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 Davies, like Fulop, like many other players who have come here and shown some promise have left, never to return again (at least for the forseeable future). Hangover or not, as he is not coming to our rescue, we have to analyse what we do have, and how we can correct it. From what I have seen of late (and heard on the radio tonight), we are reverting back to lumping the ball forward trying to pick out Howards big head who, in turn, is looking for the occasional sucessful knock-on to Fryatt. Any team that has watched us on DVD will be familiar with this tactic. We have midfield players that can create play, distribute the ball through various channels and pass the hell out of any opposition in this league. We've all seen it happen during previous matches. The problem is, our team seem to forget that they have this abilty and would rather revert to hoofball to Howard. We are not displaying consistant tactics.
Collier Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 Personally I think that the job Davies did while he was here could be done to an excellent (if not quite as good) standard by Andy King, however, Berner would have to be playing alongside him in order for him to roam forward. It'd also do King the world of good to be playing closely with a seasoned professional like Berner. The abscence of a player like Davies, with his quality, will always be missed at League One level, but let's not dismiss the back up we have, we were top before he got here and I'm certain we'll be top come the end of the season. TC.
Asha Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 You can see NP is hoping that by playing Dyer every game, eventually he will find form again. It's obvious he needs a break though.
Cobbo Posted 17 February 2009 Author Posted 17 February 2009 Personally I think that the job Davies did while he was here could be done to an excellent (if not quite as good) standard by Andy King, however, Berner would have to be playing alongside him in order for him to roam forward. It'd also do King the world of good to be playing closely with a seasoned professional like Berner.The abscence of a player like Davies, with his quality, will always be missed at League One level, but let's not dismiss the back up we have, we were top before he got here and I'm certain we'll be top come the end of the season. TC. I agree with this. Get Bruno in the centre and Oakley back to the right.
marbelladave Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 You can see NP is hoping that by playing Dyer every game, eventually he will find form again.It's obvious he needs a break though. Applies to others as well. NP clearly knows his best IX and plays them all the time, making changes only when he has too. He believes that they will get him automatic promotion and is probably right. Just not going to be very nice ( or easy ) to watch for the next month or two. Personally I think the lack of competitive reserve team football is a big problem, fringe players simply do not get any meaningful games and find it near impossible to step up to the real thing. They are not picked because they are not playing, and not playing because.......!
lookwhaticando Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 NP clearly knows his best IX and plays them all the time So every time he fields a starting eleven, two of them he just threw in at random to make up the numbers?
marbelladave Posted 17 February 2009 Posted 17 February 2009 So every time he fields a starting eleven, two of them he just threw in at random to make up the numbers? Actually a typo, but interestingly very much on the money! With everyone fit, 9 players are virtually automatic with only the 4th midfield place (with Oakley, King and Dyer) and the left back spot open for debate. So yes, you could say NP 'randomly' picks two from Mattock, Powell, Berner, Cleverly or Gradel to make up the numbers!...
Ric Flair Posted 18 February 2009 Posted 18 February 2009 We are missing Davies, but that shouldn't be the reasonw e are throwing these points away. The reason we were doing well when Davies was in the team was because we also had Tunchev who would make it his priority to make sure we kept the ball on the deck out of defence. davies was always the first port of call as he liked to drop deep, get the ball and glide up the pitch taking on players left, right and centre. Since Tunchev has got injured, we've not been the same. Davies was relatively quiet against Yeovil for parts of the game because the ball was bypassing him from defence. Davies has obviously gone now too, which has added insult to injury. Cleverley is a decent player, he's not at the level that Davies is, but he's good enough to stamp his authority at this level and help us win matches. The problem though is, until Pearson get's the balance right in midfield again and drills it in to his defenders that the ball is to be kept on the deck at all times except in emergencies, then we'll continue to under perform. We rode our luck against both Huddersfield and Northampton but came out with wins due to our quality. But it was patchy and not technically a sound system being enforced. Pearson's lack of imagination with substitutes, grates a little at times. I admit, when you look at our squad there's not much room for variety. But Gradel and Chambers haven't been used as much as they should have been in the past month or two. Dyer has been allowed to get away with sub standard performances and Fryatt is on the verge of that as well. There is still enough quality in this squad to run away with this league and it's hardly cause for panic yet. We were always going to have a few dodgy patches this season, the fact we've only had a couple should actually be commended. Pearson now needs to re-vitalise the players though for the final third of the season, we cannot let all of our hard work go to waste. The lads that are under performing (Dyer, Fryatt, Gilbert and Mattock) need to be rectified one way or another. I also think it's time for Chris Powell to come back in and give us his leadership, we might have to go grinding out a few wins, especially away at the likes of Millwall, MK Dons and Peterborough because if we stay unbeaten against those three then promotion is almost certain. We have players amongst the ranks with a point to prove and Nigel needs to make a brave decision as to whether bringing some of those in (Adams, Gradel, Chambers, Porter) could give us that kick start we need. At least things have got a bit more interesting, it was starting to get boring winning every week.
Dr The Singh Posted 18 February 2009 Posted 18 February 2009 We are missing Davies, but that shouldn't be the reasonw e are throwing these points away. The reason we were doing well when Davies was in the team was because we also had Tunchev who would make it his priority to make sure we kept the ball on the deck out of defence. davies was always the first port of call as he liked to drop deep, get the ball and glide up the pitch taking on players left, right and centre. Since Tunchev has got injured, we've not been the same. Davies was relatively quiet against Yeovil for parts of the game because the ball was bypassing him from defence. Davies has obviously gone now too, which has added insult to injury. Cleverley is a decent player, he's not at the level that Davies is, but he's good enough to stamp his authority at this level and help us win matches. The problem though is, until Pearson get's the balance right in midfield again and drills it in to his defenders that the ball is to be kept on the deck at all times except in emergencies, then we'll continue to under perform. We rode our luck against both Huddersfield and Northampton but came out with wins due to our quality. But it was patchy and not technically a sound system being enforced. Pearson's lack of imagination with substitutes, grates a little at times. I admit, when you look at our squad there's not much room for variety. But Gradel and Chambers haven't been used as much as they should have been in the past month or two. Dyer has been allowed to get away with sub standard performances and Fryatt is on the verge of that as well. There is still enough quality in this squad to run away with this league and it's hardly cause for panic yet. We were always going to have a few dodgy patches this season, the fact we've only had a couple should actually be commended. Pearson now needs to re-vitalise the players though for the final third of the season, we cannot let all of our hard work go to waste. The lads that are under performing (Dyer, Fryatt, Gilbert and Mattock) need to be rectified one way or another. I also think it's time for Chris Powell to come back in and give us his leadership, we might have to go grinding out a few wins, especially away at the likes of Millwall, MK Dons and Peterborough because if we stay unbeaten against those three then promotion is almost certain. We have players amongst the ranks with a point to prove and Nigel needs to make a brave decision as to whether bringing some of those in (Adams, Gradel, Chambers, Porter) could give us that kick start we need. At least things have got a bit more interesting, it was starting to get boring winning every week. IMO, alot of little niggling things are hindering us, i think nerves are kicking in, the side doesn't seem to have the same passing flowing essence to them! To add to that abit of tiredness a few injuries and that bit of confidence and luck our attackers had!!! We need a win, even a poor pissed up one....just to bring back alittle belief!!
kieranLCFC94 Posted 18 February 2009 Posted 18 February 2009 I think we really need to start giving the young guns a chance in the team because when chambers came on against swindon he was always looking for the ball and putting 100% into everything we need more players who have the determenation and flare like he does.
foxaholic Posted 18 February 2009 Posted 18 February 2009 I agree, perhaps a bit of complacency aswell seeing as they were used to him driving forward and creating chances and just expected it to continue. Cleverly is not in the same mould. That said i think King and Oakley as a centre midfield partnership will see us promoted but perhaps not as quickly. It would be nice to see a player with a bit more pace and directness in the midfield so perhaps bring back Gradel? why not Porter everybody seems to think he is in the doghouse but noone seems to know why
foxaholic Posted 18 February 2009 Posted 18 February 2009 I agree, perhaps a bit of complacency aswell seeing as they were used to him driving forward and creating chances and just expected it to continue. Cleverly is not in the same mould. That said i think King and Oakley as a centre midfield partnership will see us promoted but perhaps not as quickly. It would be nice to see a player with a bit more pace and directness in the midfield so perhaps bring back Gradel? [/quoWhy not Porter everybody seems to think he is is in the doghouse but no one seems to know why
robbie.p Posted 18 February 2009 Posted 18 February 2009 earlier on in the season dyer bombed forward from midfield, then he got crap. then we got davies doing the same job, then he left. We haven't replaced the gap, cleverly can try all day but not got the same class as early dyer and davies. Also, anyone who was at hatlepool game, why was dyer walkin off the pitch really slowly? it seemed like he was deliberatley pissing all the fans off, sulking
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