Thracian Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 This is a bit heavy for FoxesTalk isn't it? Far too heavy - I'm out!
Alexikokopops Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 Why did Alex's last post get deleted? I deleted it. I couldn't be arsed to go down that route again.
James. Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 I deleted it. I couldn't be arsed to go down that route again. Haha. Fair enough...
davieG Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 Ah but....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm All the researchers where men
Alexikokopops Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 Jon the Hat has won this thread with about 4 lines. It's why I usually stay out of serious threads. Someone else will summarise how I feel in about two lines and I can just agree with them
Thracian Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 But they are trying to find answers Pharmaceutical companies are looking for cures, researchers (such as Nottingham University here) are searching for the reasons why it happens. I don't understand why the two can't happen simultaneously You seem to be saying we should search for the answers to the complex problem of the cause of cancer yet poo poo the idea of searching for answers to the complex problem of a cure for cancer.Oh, and I'm not sure where you're getting this explosion of cancer cases from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7893158.stm Where have I criticised the notion of finding a cure? I said it was "interesting and encouraging". All I asked in relation to "finding cures" was that I wished they'd get on with it instead of bombarding the media with PR soundbites that only lift people's hopes unrealistically when final achievements of specific research are a long way off. As for the explosion of cancer cases: a) "But they warned the ageing population meant the number living with the disease could actually increase." b) Lung cancer is only one form of the disease as I'm sure you know and specific action has been taken to reduce that. Even then the figures are only theory. c) Let's look at the broader picture... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/hea...r-13449461.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3372070/...le-by-2050.html http://www.rense.com/health/globalcancer.htm
Bryn Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 It's why I usually stay out of serious threads. Someone else will summarise how I feel in about two lines and I can just agree with them If it's any consolation you ran in a close second
cisono Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 This is an interesting quote I would like to share with you: You know what's amazing is that a lot of research is tax funded or funded by donations but if that research produces anything useful it will be patented and that profit will go to a special interest group (ie: a pharmaceutical corporation). Taxpayers and people who give donations carry the burden, they are the ones who take the risks, and special interest groups reap the benefits. source: http://www.naturalnews.com/025794.html (bottom of page)
Alexikokopops Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 Where have I criticised the notion of finding a cure? I said it was "interesting and encouraging". All I asked in relation to "finding cures" was that I wished they'd get on with it instead of bombarding the media with PR soundbites that only lift people's hopes unrealistically when final achievements of specific research are a long way off. As for the explosion of cancer cases: a) "But they warned the ageing population meant the number living with the disease could actually increase." b) Lung cancer is only one form of the disease as I'm sure you know and specific action has been taken to reduce that. Even then the figures are only theory. c) Let's look at the broader picture... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/hea...r-13449461.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3372070/...le-by-2050.html http://www.rense.com/health/globalcancer.htm I just distinctly remembered the lung cancer article, when I posted about where you were getting the explosion thing from was genuine interest All three articles you've posted though are no different to mine - "something has happened, this will lead to a change in cancer rates". Two are saying it's a change in demographics and one is due to an increase in obesity.
Alexikokopops Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 This is an interesting quote I would like to share with you:source: http://www.naturalnews.com/025794.html (bottom of page) http://www.ukinvest.gov.uk/OurWorld/4033455/it-IT.html
Finnegan Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 If it's any consolation you ran in a close second Screw you sideways. All I asked in relation to "finding cures" was that I wished they'd get on with it instead of bombarding the media with PR soundbites that only lift people's hopes unrealistically when final achievements of specific research are a long way off. I'm pretty sure that was explained to you. The pharmacutical business is... a business. They're out to make money and it's all marketing. While I'm generally not really for the privatization of everything ever, I do think a certain level of competition in this particular field will fuel progress and if I have to read a few too many "WE'RE ONE STEP CLOSER TO CURING CANCER!" articles before that progress is made then somehow I think that's a relatively lightweight drawback?
cisono Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 I just distinctly remembered the lung cancer article, when I posted about where you were getting the explosion thing from was genuine interest All three articles you've posted though are no different to mine - "something has happened, this will lead to a change in cancer rates". Two are saying it's a change in demographics and one is due to an increase in obesity. And the increase in obesity is due to?
Finnegan Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 And the increase in obesity is due to? No one, single thing?
cisono Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 The pharmacutical business is... a business. They're out to make money and it's all marketing. While I'm generally not really for the privatization of everything ever, I do think a certain level of competition in this particular field will fuel progress and if I have to read a few too many "WE'RE ONE STEP CLOSER TO CURING CANCER!" articles before that progress is made then somehow I think that's a relatively lightweight drawback? Dirty business... more like it! I object to the idea that cancer is something that is to be cured with some drug that is to appear in the future (thus incidentally making our health "dependent" on some money-driven corporation. What are the chances our health is their top priority?). At the same time, not enough is done to lower pollution etc and to improve cancer prevention protocols.
Finnegan Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 Dirty business... more like it! I object to the idea that cancer is something that is to be cured with some drug that is to appear in the future A bit like small pox, flu, hep A, bubonic plague, yellow fever, mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus, diptheria, 'der consumpshon' (that's TB to youse), hep B and, er, everything else we've beaten that at one point had no cure or vaccine for?
Thracian Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 A bit like small pox, flu, hep A, bubonic plague, yellow fever, mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus, diptheria, 'der consumpshon' (that's TB to youse), hep B and, er, everything else we've beaten that at one point had no cure or vaccine for? No, not a bit like those things really. And have they all been beaten anyway? http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/health/dru...036;1221153.htm "Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon." Phill Bennet before Wales - England, 1977. Provocative? + Immature I'd say. But probably ideal for the purpose.
Finnegan Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 It got a response out of you. And I fail to see how it's immature in any way and yes it was apparently ideal for the purpose given we won the game (and the Tripple Crown that day, I believe.) If Moore had given some similar speech about the Germans before the 66 cup final everyone would remember it as heroic. It's just "immature" because we're little Wales n'all.
The People's Hero Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 When I was at university a doctor told me to masturbate more often. My girlfriend told me this, for different reasons. OLE!
Finnegan Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 My girlfriend told me this, for different reasons.OLE! Oh dear.
James. Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 A bit like small pox, flu, hep A, bubonic plague, yellow fever, mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus, diptheria, 'der consumpshon' (that's TB to youse), hep B and, er, everything else we've beaten that at one point had no cure or vaccine for? Don't know why you bother. You and Alex have already made both of their arguments look naive and silly. Either they've resorted to a wind up or they can't accept they've been well and truly beaten.
Finnegan Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 Don't know why you bother. You and Alex have already made both of their arguments look naive and silly. Either they've resorted to a wind up or they can't accept they've been well and truly beaten. Given that he's resorted to picking me up on my sig to keep the argument going I'd say it's a little from collumn A, a little from collum B.
Thracian Posted 10 March 2009 Posted 10 March 2009 It got a response out of you. I thought that was what this forum was all about. ===== And I fail to see how it's immature in any way and yes it was apparently ideal for the purpose given we won the game (and the Tripple Crown that day, I believe.) As motivating rhetoric it obviously worked fine. Well done, Wales. Beyond that it's so much crap. Perhaps you need bitterness and a sense of injustice or oppression to drive you or to make up for being "little". Don't know why really. Apart from the apparently inbred resentment of people like yourself I can't see much wrong with Wales. ===== If Moore had given some similar speech about the Germans before the 66 cup final everyone would remember it as heroic. It's just "immature" because we're little Wales n'all. Can't imagine Alf Ramsey and Bobby Moore being big on rhetoric but still.
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