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Grand National 2009 Thread

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As I've said in the betting thread, not going to have a proper look until Thursday/Friday.

I know I'm doing War Of Attrition though.

Here's something hard to believe though - Tony McCoy has never won a Grand National.

Posted

Brooklyn Brownie e/w for me...

Make sure if doing E/W bets you go with bookies like Paddy Power, who often will pay out on 6 places.

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Who is Ruby on ?

Hedgehunter I think.

But. Not sure. Will try find out.

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Hedgehunter I think.

ah fook that then , had its day

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I'm finding the horse that Christian Williams is riding very interesting and the past few years he's had, it would be a true sporting moment if he were to win it. Both jockey and horse are erratic characters.

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As I've said in the betting thread, not going to have a proper look until Thursday/Friday.

I know I'm doing War Of Attrition though.

Here's something hard to believe though - Tony McCoy has never won a Grand National.

Seems you won't be backing War of Attrition then - shame. Any tips yet Bert?

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I GOT THIS FROM AN EMAIL LINK THAT I RECEIVED -

So, here goes: there now follows reasons (though not necessarily all of them) why your horse won’t win the Grand National. (Don’t take it personally!)

Based on the following assumptions of the profile of a Grand National winner:

- Carries 11 stone or less (it’s VERY tough to lug more than that round Aintree’s ultimate test)

- Aged 8-12 (not too young, not too old)

- Won over 3m+ (it’s 4 and a half miles on Saturday!)

- Won in a field of 12 or more (there’ll be forty of them on Saturday!)

- No French bred has since 1909. What chance a centennial winner?!

- Must be an experienced chaser (more than ten runs, more than two seasons chasing)

- Had four to seven runs this season (as every winner bar Miinehoma since 1990 has)

- Placed in the first three that season prior to the Grand National

Your horse cannot win because:

Cloudy Lane: Too much weight;

War Of Attrition: Too much weight;

Chelsea Harbour: Too much weight;

Snowy Morning: Too much weight;

Knowhere: Too much weight;

Comply Or Die: Too much weight;

Ollie Magern: Too much weight;

Stan: Too much weight;

Black Apalachi: Too much weight;

Hear The Echo: Too much weight;

Preists Leap: Too much weight;

My Will: Too much weight;

Eurotrek: Too much weight; too old;

State Of Play: Too much weight;

Big Fella Thanks: Too much weight; too young;

Mon Mome: French bred;

Silver Birch: Not enough runs this season;

Butler’s Cabin: French bred;

Offshore Account: Not enough runs this season;

Parson’s Legacy: Not enough runs this season;

Reveillez: Not enough runs this season;

Fundamentalist: Too many runs this season

Golden Flight: Not enough runs this season;

L’Ami: French bred;

Battle Cry: Not won in a field of 12 or more;

Cornish Sett: Paul Nicholls’ woeful record in the race (and in cross country races as well).

Fleet Street: Not enough chase experience; not won over far enough

Musica Bella: French bred;

Can’t Buy Time: Too young;

Darkness: Not enough runs this season;

Irish Invader: Too many runs this season; not won over 3m+

Rambling Minster: No reason!

Southern Vic: None really, though he probably wants it softer and is a bit of a doubtful stayer.

Kilbeggan Blade: Three runs in Class 1 races, pulled up three times.

Brooklyn Brownie: No reason!

Himalayan Trail: Not enough chase experience

Arteea: Not enough runs this season;

Cerium: Not enough runs this season;

Idle Talk: Dodgy jumper (though has completed twice over National fences); doubtful stayer

Kelami: French bred;

Zabenz: Not won in a field of 12 or more over fences; not run for two years!

Maljimar: Not won over 3m+; not won in a field of 12 or more

Companero: Only three chase starts, may well not get a run

Iron Man: Not won over 3m+, may well not get a run

Mattock Ranger: So far out of form, it hurts (4 runs, pulled up 3 times and a duck egg); may well not get a run

So there it is. I REALLY like the chance of Rambling Minster, who jumps, stays, travels brilliantly, generally races up with the pace, acts on any going, and is bang in form.

Others with each way chances are: Cornish Sett, Southern Vic and Brooklyn Brownie.

One of these years a highly weighted horse will win, and the number of runners with more than 11 stone this year is fifteen, which - numerically at least - gives the big weights a 37.5% chance of winning.

Rambling Minster for me, backed this on New Years Day and won me a fair few quid. Great horse.

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Rambling Minster for me, backed this on New Years Day and won me a fair few quid. Great horse.

I like your method. Therefore I am going to bet on him. I haven't the foggiest about horse racing. Not a clue.

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I like your method. Therefore I am going to bet on him. I haven't the foggiest about horse racing. Not a clue.

Agreed.

Really fancying Brooklyn Brownie e/w, as posted above 40/1 is a great price

Ok then.

That's it. £10 on Rambling Minister to win. £5 each way (£10) on Brookyln Brownie.

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When are people placing their bets? Do you risk putting them on now bearing in mind anything could happen between now and race day or do you place them just before the race but risk getting worse odds?

Bearing in mind my betting plan (£10 on Rambling Minister and £5 each way on Brookyln Brownie - copyright Flair and fox123) anyone got any suggestions?

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When are people placing their bets? Do you risk putting them on now bearing in mind anything could happen between now and race day or do you place them just before the race but risk getting worse odds?

Bearing in mind my betting plan (£10 on Rambling Minister and £5 each way on Brookyln Brownie - copyright Flair and fox123) anyone got any suggestions?

Looking at this you can deposit £10 in Coral and they match it. Boom, there's the two bets. It doesn't answer your question but it's good to know.

Can you tell we know what we're doing guys?

Posted

Rambling Minster it is then.

I'm putting mine on later, if you put £5 on it on William Hill then you get a free £1 bet on a football accy.

Done, Rambling MInster e/w :/

The £1 straight on Reading, Burnley, Leyton Orient and Villareal.

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Interesting list Ric, I'm not entirely sure about the significance of the 11st stone barrier myself, although horses such as Cloudy Lane are indeed too weighty.

I've been very conservative betting-wise so far, only a £5 outlay:

£2 e/w Rambling Minster 10/1 (Not many weaknesses, fluent runner)

£1 e/w Parson's Legacy 16/1 (Ran well last time out, potential to show even more)

£1 e/w Himalayan Trail 25/1 (Has proven his stamina, certainly on the up)

£1 e/w Brooklyn Brownie 33/1 (Decent odds)

Hearing good things about Can't buy time who is supposed to be one of the most progressive horses in the field, if still unpredictable. Stuck a £1 e/w on him @ 50/1.

Add to that £1 e/w on Chelsea Harbour @ 66/1, concerned over his high weight but definitely has the stamina, should suit the ground too.

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Got a quid on Brooklyn Brownie.

I liked the name because i was born in Brooklyn and i like brownies. Logical?

Paddypower are paying out if your horse finishes in 1st-5th place.

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