Super_horns Posted 12 November 2009 Posted 12 November 2009 Know I am a fan of a team that wouldn't get into one of the top tiers by right ofcourse but whilst its unlikely for now I still wish for our team to get promoted (and maybe make a decent effort without wasting all our money..) so to not have that chances would be disappointing. Ofcourse football is all about money though and the top teams don't care about us (even though you guys would be in a top 2 tier..having only been in the bottom 2 divs ONCE in 125 years so more "worthy" that a lot of clubs above you now and get bigger crowds that *Bolton for example in a Premiership season for example) *In realty is the Bolton chairman hitting his own club because in terms of history/attendence and attraction they might only get into a tier 2 at best. I cannot see over 100 odd years of fairly competitive football being changed but maybe I am just being naive?
lildave3 Posted 12 November 2009 Posted 12 November 2009 They can stick this idea up their arse and fook off to Scotland.Yeah, Phil Gartside you Northern monkey, how about you take Bolton to Scotland, they would fit in nicely as they play shit football. Take the ginger tosser aswell. On one hand I want to see this so that Scottish league totally collapses but then again I don't want them in our leagues. Why the fuck would you want the Scottish League to collapse?
Shrenchel Posted 12 November 2009 Posted 12 November 2009 Why the fuck would you want the Scottish League to collapse? I know, bizarre. Scottish football is as harmless as sponge cake. He probably had an uncle Aengus that used to finger him in the arse after too much famous grouse.
TrickyTrev Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 That is all very well, but in the current financial situation, unless they invest in the playing squad you create an effective closed shop premier league anyway. Exactly. I still maintain that the Premier League needs to subsidize the 2nd tier of english football for its own health. Parachute payments don't deal with the problem of the vast disparity in quality between the two divisions and as such don't deal with the problem that teams have to invest far too heavily upon promotion to the premier league.
TrickyTrev Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 But as I've said that just moves the problem from PL/Championship to PL2/FL(3rd tier). It doesn't solve any fundamental problems. If the 2nd tier is moved closer to the 1st tier it obviously moves further away from 3rd tier at the same time. As there is a huge gap between the 1st and 2nd tier at the moment, and the 2nd and 3rd tier are pretty close, this sounds like a better distribution to me. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with having financial gaps between leagues, they just need to be manageable. Right now, there is one gap in our pyramid structure that isn't manageable and it needs to be lessened. Guardian write up seems to be suggesting that there is a momentum behind the idea of subsidizing the lower leagues to a greater extent by fearful mid ranking premier league clubs. This is our greatest hope for something being done about disparity between leagues, if 14 of the 20 premier league clubs think it is in their interests to less it then they have the power to do so.
Samilktray Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 I know, bizarre. Scottish football is as harmless as sponge cake. He probably had an uncle Aengus that used to finger him in the arse after too much famous grouse. :laugh:!!!!
lou Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 I know, bizarre. Scottish football is as harmless as sponge cake. He probably had an uncle Aengus that used to finger him in the arse after too much famous grouse. Contender for post of the year!
Guest Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 That is all very well, but in the current financial situation, unless they invest in the playing squad you create an effective closed shop premier league anyway. So it's ok to keep on investing money that you haven't got? No wonder this country is in the shit.
davieG Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 Merc A new two-tier Premier League structure would be good for Leicester City, chief executive Lee Hoos has said. Proposals put forward by Bolton Wanderers chairman Phil Gartside to restructure English football were passed for strategic review by a meeting of Premier League chairmen in London yesterday, and Hoos believes they could benefit City. City are likely to feature in the structure, which would involve 36 to 40 teams split into two divisions, and Hoos thinks it would result in a more even distribution of cash among the member clubs. He also said it would allow for a winter break. Gartside tabled the proposals because of his concerns that too much money goes into the coffers of the top four teams. He said: "From a Leicester City standpoint, there would be a greater share of revenue from Sky. This is about distribution of funds, and fair enough because it doesn't trickle down as it should. "If they are proposing that Premier Two have 18 clubs you would have less games, and I can see the benefits for the national game because you could have a winter break. "Everyone moans about there being too many games at the same time as they are doing Europa League and Champions League, and everything else, but a small winter break wouldn't be a bad thing. "You may lose some revenue because there are fewer games but, on the upside, you would have more broadcasting revenue. "I know we haven't kicked off many games at 3pm on a Saturday lately and we had the unusual scenario of two live games in a week, but I quite liked those because we got two away wins and six points. "Sky hate to see empty seats and they would have to take that into consideration. You can't disregard fans who come to the games and I think clubs need to remember that as well." No we don't and teams in the 2nd tier don't play in Europe and rarely provide players for the national team. I doubt you'll be proposing a cut in ticket prices even with a reduction in the number of games. My guess would be that nothing would fundamentally change for the fans, prices would continue to rise along with players wages and your bank balance Mr Hoos. Don't kid us for one moment that you have the fans in mind.
Unit Posted 13 November 2009 Posted 13 November 2009 They should let them join the english league but have to start rock bottom, if they can get into the premier league then fair play but it'd take a while!
BlueSi13 Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 Excellent decision, if we'd have let them in why not go the whole hog and invite Ajax, PSV, PSG, Marseille in, im sure they are all too big for their respective leagues aswell, they'd have had just as much of a claim as Celtic & Rangers
Guest Mee-9 Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 I've always believed that Rangers and Celtic were the quality of a west brom, or cardiff. Shoot me if you don't think so, but they play the likes of Hamilton and Falkirk week in week out.
Father Ted Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 Why the fuck would you want the Scottish League to collapse? Because I don't give two shits when they show highlights of hibernian vs hearts on ENGLISH news. And when Montrose v Berwick comes up on the vidiprinter - I don't give two shits! They have less fans than my sunday team!
Fosse Boy Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 Because I don't give two shits when they show highlights of hibernian vs hearts on ENGLISH news. And when Montrose v Berwick comes up on the vidiprinter - I don't give two shits! They have less fans than my sunday team! BRITISH news actually. So you want a whole historic league system to collapse just because you as an individual are a bit nonplussed by it? Ridiculous logic.
Corky Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 Couldn't we send Gartside and Bolton to the SPL instead?
Father Ted Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 BRITISH news actually.So you want a whole historic league system to collapse just because you as an individual are a bit nonplussed by it? Ridiculous logic. Crap league with crap standards. Would be nowhere without Celtic and Rangers.
Fosse Boy Posted 14 November 2009 Posted 14 November 2009 Crap league with crap standards. Would be nowhere without Celtic and Rangers. So fans of other Scottish teams don't deserve to have a league system just because it's not a very good standard? Well, while we're at it we should probably just go and shut down most football leagues in the world then? Give over.
Lillehamring Posted 15 November 2009 Posted 15 November 2009 With respect, the old firm clubs are far bigger than any of the clubs you've mentioned.The plan, however, would be for them to start in the second tier, with no guarantee they'd both go up in the first season. i think this is actually the key factor to the debate - a start in the championship will be so much tougher than a start in the premier - i'd suggest that they would struggle... firstly, they would not attract the players they would if they went straight in the prem, or even in the SPL seeing as they won't have the appeal of a champions league place. secondly, the quality off the CCC is significantly higher than the SPL, which actually seems to be getting tighter nowadays - it's all well and good to talk about their CL performances but the CL is effictively like playing a cup final every match, it is easier to raise one's game, especially when your average league game probably isn't that demanding. so, it is much easier to generate a few half decent result and qualify for the knockout stages than to grind out 50 games against CCC sides....
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