AjcW Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Why tune in if its a load of shit? Have you at any point in your life studied politics and government as a subject or participated in it in any way??
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Have you at any point in your life studied politics and government as a subject or participated in it in any way?? Whats politics and government When you say studied, are you referring to the teachings of repeaters? Have you studied it all? What did you learn, and who taught you?
davieG Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 oh my, you use stopthebnp as evidence of who and what they are. New Labour aren't old Labour, BNP aren't NF, Cameron isn't Thatcher, understand?Describing one holocaust as a holohoax is nothing more that ignorance, nothing to do with fascism If you want to know who and what the BNP are, read their manifesto. Since when have manifestos been the sole measure of a parties position in the political spectrum. They're just sugar coated sound-bites to get people to believe in them and I say that about all political manifestos. As I said you need to look behind the cover of the book and read between the lines but best to take off those 'black tinted' specs before you do.
AjcW Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Whats politics and government When you say studied, are you referring to the teachings of repeaters? Have you studied it all? What did you learn, and who taught you? Sorry i meant to put or then. And yes I have. Thoroughly enjoyed it. I just ask you to be a little more open minded thats all
Guest Bilo Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 oh my, you use stopthebnp as evidence of who and what they are. New Labour aren't old Labour, BNP aren't NF, Cameron isn't Thatcher, understand?Describing one holocaust as a holohoax is nothing more that ignorance, nothing to do with fascism If you want to know who and what the BNP are, read their manifesto. New Labour are STILL Social Democrats and therefore STILL on the left of the political spectrum, just like Old Labour. Cameron is STILL a Conservative, and still has great praise for Thatcher. Just like many Tories in the 1980s. Many of the BNP STILL hold fascist opinions, such as the advocation of voluntary repatriation and the criminalisation of homosexuality. Just like the NF. All these political groups STILL have much in common with their pre-decessors. Still, let's see the views of the BNP and see if they're really fascists shall we? BNP We believe that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples. NSDAP (Nazi Party) Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman. BNP The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist. Nazi Party Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Since when have manifestos been the sole measure of a parties position in the political spectrum. They're just sugar coated sound-bites to get people to believe in them and I say that about all political manifestos.As I said you need to look behind the cover of the book and read between the lines but best to take off those 'black tinted' specs before you do. Are you saying that every political party in the world, every elected MP, PM, Barack Obama, they all talk shit? Why do you think 25 million people vote? Do you think those 25 million people are thick for voting for total lies?
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Sorry i meant to put or then.And yes I have. Thoroughly enjoyed it. I just ask you to be a little more open minded thats all Will you be open minded and tell me what you learned, and who taught you? What was your conclusion to what you learned?
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Many of the BNP STILL hold fascist opinions, such as the advocation of voluntary repatriation and the criminalisation of homosexuality. Just like the NF. You know many BNPers? Whats wrong with people wanting to live in their homeland? (voluntary repatriation) BNPWe believe that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples. BNP The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist. Nowt fascist about that. Everyone's entitled to believe in what they want, else everyone is fascist.
davieG Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Are you saying that every political party in the world, every elected MP, PM, Barack Obama, they all talk shit? Why do you think 25 million people vote? Do you think those 25 million people are thick for voting for total lies? No I think they are voting for the party that best matches their personal aims but most voters aren't political people and do not blindly follow one party or another. I find it inconceivable that when the main parties in most democratic countries hover around the centre that anyone can believe in every single policy proposed by a specific party and I guess they don't except those who are so entrenched in a party. I doubt even the leaders and policy makers believe it all but they feel duty bound to offer something different even if it's not really what they want having been beaten to the idea by their opposition Yes I do believe a a lot of what party politicians spout is shit because they'll seemingly do anything or say anything that they think will get people's votes. I've seen too many come to power and not follow what they've promised and are eventually turfed out as result of incompetence or self servitude or corruption, where the the glossy persona they put up to get elected has become stained. Yes I'm a political cynic.
AjcW Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Will you be open minded and tell me what you learned, and who taught you? What was your conclusion to what you learned? You want me to summarise what I learned in two years into a simple paragraph . And shockingly I was taught... by a teacher. All im saying to you is(whoever you are, probs some full time ft member having a summer wind up )... Dont expect people to disagree with your opinions, the threads a debate right?? So coming back with remarks like facist etc.. just make you look like someone who doesnt exactly understand what they are talking about, wereas if you were to expand, perhaps add a little knowlege your argument is going to look alot more credible and may well gain support. Simples
potter3 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 This is getting silly. What dictionary is that from? 1 says that New Labour/any government/any political party are fascists. 2 says New Labour. It says nothing like that.
Jay Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 The BNP are scum total and utter scum with their racist, xenophobic sh ite the problem with a democracy is that you have to allow total scum like them to exist. Muslim Clerics get deported for preaching racial hatred yet the BNP by calling themselves a "political party" are allowed to get away with it. I can't believe that in the year 2009 anyone would vote such a deluded racist party of hate with even less morals than any of the big 3 political parties. Nick Griffin is fascist scum, denies the holocaust ever happened calls for racial apartheid led the National Front in campaigns against Jewish people said the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren was found guilty of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and was given a two year suspended sentence told a private meeting of American nazis and racists that while the BNP needed to change to get elected, his core beliefs – that of the superiority of the white race – remained his driving force believes that the minds of British people are brainwashed through Jewish control of the media. a couple of Griffin quotes... On the Holocaust I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat… I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter-day witch-hysteria.” On Race Without the White race, nothing matters. Other right-wing parties believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create ‘Black Britons’, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land. Is this also the party that refuses to accept the Human Rights act saying... the Human Rights Act ’surely one of the most pernicious pieces of legislation ever passed by the mother of Parliaments,’ and reiterated its promise to repeal it when the party becomes a ‘British Nationalist government’ and then... asked the police to investigate breaches of the Human Rights Act during the list scandal last year they have open links to extreme Nazi parties worldwide including Skinhead organisations like Blood and Honour,Combat 18 etc. Griffin often shares a stage with a former grand wizard of the KKK who he considers to be one of his best friends!! In conclusion.... anyone who considers or votes for them is scum
Nick Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 The BNP are scum total and utter scum with their racist, xenophobic sh ite the problem with a democracy is that you have to allow total scum like them to exist. Muslim Clerics get deported for preaching racial hatred yet the BNP by calling themselves a "political party" are allowed to get away with it.I can't believe that in the year 2009 anyone would vote such a deluded racist party of hate with even less morals than any of the big 3 political parties. Nick Griffin is fascist scum, denies the holocaust ever happened calls for racial apartheid led the National Front in campaigns against Jewish people said the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren was found guilty of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and was given a two year suspended sentence told a private meeting of American nazis and racists that while the BNP needed to change to get elected, his core beliefs – that of the superiority of the white race – remained his driving force believes that the minds of British people are brainwashed through Jewish control of the media. a couple of Griffin quotes... On the Holocaust I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat… I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter-day witch-hysteria.” On Race Without the White race, nothing matters. Other right-wing parties believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create ‘Black Britons’, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land. Is this also the party that refuses to accept the Human Rights act saying... the Human Rights Act ’surely one of the most pernicious pieces of legislation ever passed by the mother of Parliaments,’ and reiterated its promise to repeal it when the party becomes a ‘British Nationalist government’ and then... asked the police to investigate breaches of the Human Rights Act during the list scandal last year they have open links to extreme Nazi parties worldwide including Skinhead organisations like Blood and Honour,Combat 18 etc. Griffin often shares a stage with a former grand wizard of the KKK who he considers to be one of his best friends!! In conclusion.... anyone who considers or votes for them is scum
coale39 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 ob1kanob will prob say though that all that is made up by left wing mentalists.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 The BNP are scum total and utter scum with their racist, xenophobic sh ite the problem with a democracy is that you have to allow total scum like them to exist. Muslim Clerics get deported for preaching racial hatred yet the BNP by calling themselves a "political party" are allowed to get away with it.I can't believe that in the year 2009 anyone would vote such a deluded racist party of hate with even less morals than any of the big 3 political parties. Nick Griffin is fascist scum, denies the holocaust ever happened calls for racial apartheid led the National Front in campaigns against Jewish people said the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren was found guilty of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and was given a two year suspended sentence told a private meeting of American nazis and racists that while the BNP needed to change to get elected, his core beliefs – that of the superiority of the white race – remained his driving force believes that the minds of British people are brainwashed through Jewish control of the media. a couple of Griffin quotes... On the Holocaust I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat… I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter-day witch-hysteria.” On Race Without the White race, nothing matters. Other right-wing parties believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create ‘Black Britons’, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land. Is this also the party that refuses to accept the Human Rights act saying... the Human Rights Act ’surely one of the most pernicious pieces of legislation ever passed by the mother of Parliaments,’ and reiterated its promise to repeal it when the party becomes a ‘British Nationalist government’ and then... asked the police to investigate breaches of the Human Rights Act during the list scandal last year they have open links to extreme Nazi parties worldwide including Skinhead organisations like Blood and Honour,Combat 18 etc. Griffin often shares a stage with a former grand wizard of the KKK who he considers to be one of his best friends!! In conclusion.... anyone who considers or votes for them is scum All provable fact that can be easily found by anyone with a brain. Yet I'm 100% sure that a certain someone will deny each and every fact.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 No I think they are voting for the party that best matches their personal aims but most voters aren't political people and do not blindly follow one party or another. I find it inconceivable that when the main parties in most democratic countries hover around the centre that anyone can believe in every single policy proposed by a specific party and I guess they don't except those who are so entrenched in a party. I doubt even the leaders and policy makers believe it all but they feel duty bound to offer something different even if it's not really what they want having been beaten to the idea by their opposition Yes I do believe a a lot of what party politicians spout is shit because they'll seemingly do anything or say anything that they think will get people's votes. I've seen too many come to power and not follow what they've promised and are eventually turfed out as result of incompetence or self servitude or corruption, where the the glossy persona they put up to get elected has become stained. Yes I'm a political cynic. Don't quite get you the davie, does sugar coated mean lies? Best match or not. If they do not follow blindly, then they believe in the sugar coated policies? "Since when have manifestos been the sole measure of a parties position in the political spectrum. They're just sugar coated sound-bites to get people to believe in them and I say that about all political manifestos. As I said you need to look behind the cover of the book and read between the lines but best to take off those 'black tinted' specs before you do." I mostly agree with your second and third points. Its also the case with those who run football clubs, pretty much any business thats public. If only we had a democratic process that encouraged the ability to proceed with policy. Its probably the nature of the beast, that theres so many different views amongst the general public, that politicians find it difficult to please everyone. Football clubs find it difficult to please all fans, except, we can't find an alternative like a voter can.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 You want me to summarise what I learned in two years into a simple paragraph .And shockingly I was taught... by a teacher. I never asked you to go beyond what you're capable of. Who taught your teacher, and that teacher and so on. Your teacher was just a repeater of a teacher, and you repeat that and so on. Its not all hearsay, but most of it is. What have you learned about politics from your own eyes?
Nick Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 I never asked you to go beyond what you're capable of. Who taught your teacher, and that teacher and so on. Your teacher was just a repeater of a teacher, and you repeat that and so on. Its not all hearsay, but most of it is. What have you learned about politics from your own eyes? You are so blinkered. And with the stuff you have learnt 'presumably with your own eyes' is the divine truth is it you preach like you were selling a cult. Because that's what it is. Please don't stop writing this bollocks its keeping me quite entertained, I knew people were ignorant but to do it so publicly is just fascinating.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Nick Griffin is fascist scum, denies the holocaust ever happened Did deny, now he doesn't. calls for racial apartheid Did, now doesn't. led the National Front in campaigns against Jewish people No, he led against the powerful jews such as the Rothschilds and their friends. said the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren Did, not now. Schools should also talk about other holocausts. Why is the jewish holocaust anymore special than others, some of them were much worse, like when Chairman Mao murdered 30 million, why isn't that on ITN? believes that the minds of British people are brainwashed through Jewish control of the media. Who do you think owns the media? Is this also the party that refuses to accept the Human Rights act saying...the Human Rights Act ’surely one of the most pernicious pieces of legislation ever passed by the mother of Parliaments,’ and reiterated its promise to repeal it when the party becomes a ‘British Nationalist government’ What do you think is the human rights act. Why does the EU forever change its goal posts? and then... asked the police to investigate breaches of the Human Rights Act during the list scandal last year Should he suffer instead?
Webbo Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 No, he led against the powerful jews such as the Rothschilds and their friends. Are all Jews space lizards or just the Rothschilds?
AjcW Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 I never asked you to go beyond what you're capable of. Who taught your teacher, and that teacher and so on. Your teacher was just a repeater of a teacher, and you repeat that and so on. Its not all hearsay, but most of it is. What have you learned about politics from your own eyes? Anyway... Ive learnt enough to know that it is what I wish to study at uni when I go and that I hope that takes me into a career of political journalism. So I would say I have a fair interest in it.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 No, he led against the powerful jews such as the Rothschilds and their friends.Did, not now. Schools should also talk about other holocausts. Why is the jewish holocaust anymore special than others, some of them were much worse, like when Chairman Mao murdered 30 million, why isn't that on ITN? Who do you think owns the media? Wow, we have a real life anti-semite among us. We truly are honoured. 1. The theory that the Rothschild family controlled world governments has long been debunked. It did feature in the Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew though. Perhaps this is where you got it from, seeing as you seem rather fond of fascist propaganda. 2. Griffin continues to deny the Holocaust, he just chooses not to do it quite so publicly as he used to, Islamophobia is a much better votewinner for the extremist morons who vote for the BNP. Also, the Holocaust itself is viewed as a greater crime than any other because it involved a sophisticated and advanced European nation murdering a people for no other reason than their religion on an industrial scale. Industrial is an appropriate word to use, seeing as the victims were often worked to death for profit. 3. The most famous media figure is a certain Rupert Murdoch. Who isn't Jewish. Sony own Columbia Studios and Tri-Star Pictures. They aren't Jewish either. How about Times Mirror? How about Bill Gates, who owns several media organisations? What about all the media organisations that are in the hands of shareholders? Can you give me any evidence (reputable source, not a Neo-Nazi one) that Jews control the media?
coale39 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Did deny, now he doesn't. Funny that he "did" believe it very strongly. Now less so because thats not gonna get him votes, is it. People dont change, hes just softening his policy's slightly.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 27 July 2009 Posted 27 July 2009 Wow, we have a real life anti-semite among us. We truly are honoured. Is it wrong to dislike a group of people? 1. The theory that the Rothschild family controlled world governments has long been debunked. It did feature in the Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew though. Perhaps this is where you got it from, seeing as you seem rather fond of fascist propaganda. Debunked? Found of fascism?? 2. Also, the Holocaust itself is viewed as a greater crime than any other because it involved a sophisticated and advanced European nation murdering a people for no other reason than their religion on an industrial scale. Industrial is an appropriate word to use, seeing as the victims were often worked to death for profit. So the murder of 5.8 million jews for the reasons you gave, is alot worse than when Mao murdered 30 million other innocent people? Interestingly, the BNP have a jewish candidate/councillor in Yorkshire? 3. The most famous media figure is a certain Rupert Murdoch. Who isn't Jewish. Sony own Columbia Studios and Tri-Star Pictures. They aren't Jewish either. How about Times Mirror? How about Bill Gates, who owns several media organisations? What about all the media organisations that are in the hands of shareholders? Can you give me any evidence (reputable source, not a Neo-Nazi one) that Jews control the media? Google jewish media control.
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