Daggers Posted 8 June 2009 Posted 8 June 2009 I think there should be a don't care, doesn't affect me, don't get politics option Let's be honest Dan - politics is far from the only thing, eh?!
Guest Bilo Posted 8 June 2009 Posted 8 June 2009 A landslide victory for the Tories is far from certain. According to the BBC last night the Tories need a 7% swing from Labour just to have a 2 seat majority, something that's only happened twice since the war.It seems more likely that the Tories will have the most seats but no overall majority. The 1997 election was one of them, with an 8.8% swing towards Labour, not that much bigger than the 7% required by the Tories in 2010. What turned it into a landslide though was the 11% swing away from the Tories towards other parties. With UKIP, the BNP, the SNP and Plaid Cymru all now major rivals to Labour in traditional strongholds, history could well repeat itself albeit with the roles reversed.
Thracian Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 I find it interesting that the Iraq war, which Cameron fully supported, is now being cited by his supporters as a foreign policy failure. Did he genuinely support it? Or did he support it given the lies that were told? It matters not really. There is an expectation of unity when a nation goes to war. And that war decision was prompted by Labour as far as this country is concerned. And even if the Tories were party to that wrong decision at least they are accepting that it was wrong. What's wrong with admitting the truth? Are you suggesting Labour wouldn't have taken advantage had the war been shown to be justified and an undeniable success (if any war can be termed as such). Times you just play political ping pong. We're no worse than them etc. Truth is Labour are in power and they call the shots. They live or die accordingly. The Opposition is broadly irrelevent when the ruling party has a working majority.
dandannieldanok Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 Not in Leicester it isn't... The Labour result in Leicester is astounding given their collapse everywhere else. No matter what excuses are made about low turnouts, an increase of 9.5% share in of the vote in Leicester is amazing really.
Mort Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 The Tory vote was down significantly on 2004. Conservative vote in both the Counties and Euros was up on 2004 - not as much as would have been expected pre expenses-gate, but you’re not going to get away with saying the Tory vote was down on '04. Whichever way you slice it... Conservatives have performed very strongly in local elections, parliamentary by-elections and opinion polls, while Labour are performing worse than the Tories under Major. The current situation is that the Tories are doing well (not amazingly but better than they’ve done at any point in the last eighteen years) while Labour are doing worse than at any point since they replaced the Liberals as a major party.
Mort Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 Agreed, although I think no matter if Brown resigns the tories will win, but if he stays it will be a massive landslide, and will basically give total control to Cameron, which is scary!! He's a big softy really... ...honest!
Guest Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 He's a big softy really... ...honest! The next picture shows him eating it.
BlabyFox Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 The Labour result in Leicester is astounding given their collapse everywhere else. No matter what excuses are made about low turnouts, an increase of 9.5% share in of the vote in Leicester is amazing really. Immigrants like Labour. Labour gives them money for doing nothing!
Guest Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 Immigrants like Labour. Labour gives them money for doing nothing! Shut the fook up, you ignorant little boy.
Guest Bilo Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 Shut the fook up, you ignorant little boy. I wouldn't even bother responding to his bigoted shite. Just whack him on the ignored list, I do. Having said that, I am one cantankerous beggar and my ignored user list is quite long these days.
Guest Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 I wouldn't even bother responding to his bigoted shite. Just whack him on the ignored list, I do. Having said that, I am one cantankerous beggar and my ignored user list is quite long these days. As Admin, I don't feel right using the ignore function. I just can't maintain a professional stance at this moment in time, as I am having a very shit day, so would like to apologise if my outburst offends the sensible members of this forum. I don't apologise to babyfox and his ilk, though.
Daggers Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 Immigrants like Labour. Labour gives them money for doing nothing! Your brain must be earning you a fucking fortune at present then.
DB11 Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 I wouldn't even bother responding to his bigoted shite. Just whack him on the ignored list, I do. Having said that, I am one cantankerous beggar and my ignored user list is quite long these days. I have seven people on ignore.
Corky Posted 9 June 2009 Posted 9 June 2009 Immigrants like Labour. Labour gives them money for doing nothing! Twat. Are you studying ignorance at the moment?
FilboFox Posted 10 June 2009 Author Posted 10 June 2009 I think it was a 6.7% swing in favour of the Tories for them to win outright the next election... but lets face it... Labour are in such a mess that it's very likely to happen unless something changes very soon. Looking at the results of the European election, albeit nothing to do with home affairs per say, Labour suffered their worst showing since 1918 and lost some of their strongholds like Wales... surely that is a sign that things clearly aren't going right and a 7% swing is more than possible in a general election? I for one though haven't a clue who to vote for... Labour? Not with this clown in charge and the party in such disarray... Tories? I think not... Lib Dems? Fence sitters... but to be fair, I don't know what any of them stand for and it makes choosing very very difficult... not a good time for British politics... not a good time at all.
Thracian Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Shut the fook up, you ignorant little boy. Pirty we cannot see the ethnic breakdown of the votes though - just to see how right he is about the first part of his sentence.
Guest Posted 10 June 2009 Posted 10 June 2009 Pirty we cannot see the ethnic breakdown of the votes though - just to see how right he is about the first part of his sentence. That's right, we can blame those pesky foreigners then.
Thracian Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 That's right, we can blame those pesky foreigners then. You'd do what you choose. But at least the evidence wouldjustify your comment. or otherwise.
Dr The Singh Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Pirty we cannot see the ethnic breakdown of the votes though - just to see how right he is about the first part of his sentence. He may have a point, Labour has far more coloured MP's then Conservative, and you have to look at the likes of Kieth Vaz, the guy was caught red handed in the Hinduja Brothers case, and yet the folks of Leicester will always vote for them. On BlabyFoxes second point, to tag all immigrants on the same bracket is wrong, some immigrant communities are far more successful then others, some communities have alot larger unemployment rate then others. I will only comment on my kin, and say they are the most successful of all the south asian subcontinent and have the lowest unemployment rate!! Yes, the benefits that this nation offers is immensely attractive to those that wish to immigrate here....housing, sickness\disability allowance, housing etc, but these are open to abuse not only by immigrants but by natives aswell!!
Thracian Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 He may have a point, Labour has far more coloured MP's then Conservative, and you have to look at the likes of Kieth Vaz, the guy was caught red handed in the Hinduja Brothers case, and yet the folks of Leicester will always vote for them.On BlabyFoxes second point, to tag all immigrants on the same bracket is wrong, some immigrant communities are far more successful then others, some communities have alot larger unemployment rate then others. I will only comment on my kin, and say they are the most successful of all the south asian subcontinent and have the lowest unemployment rate!! Yes, the benefits that this nation offers is immensely attractive to those that wish to immigrate here....housing, sickness\disability allowance, housing etc, but these are open to abuse not only by immigrants but by natives aswell!! I wouldn't disagree with one word of that. And, talking of coloured MPs I believe it far more relevent to the future of our society that Gordon Brown has appointed Shahid Malik his first Muslim Cabinet minister than ever it is that the BNP have gained a few seats in local and European politics. Even though that minister projects himself as distinctly moderate - and I have no reason to question that nor the chap's worthiness for promotion - I believe the move sets an extremely risky precedent which has far reaching implications. I'm prepared to accept that the move has been made in the cause of inclusiveness and for any other mainstream faith, I would have no doubts that it would be a good thing. As it is I'm not at all sure. The Islamic path is entirely and relentlessly self-serving. And, having a copy of the May edition of The Islamist in front of me, I think (apart from being an intended vote magnet) Gordon Brown's appointment is a major gamble. Furthermore I neither understand how the minister has accepted the role given the dictates of his faith, nor why there would not be serious protest from the Shari'ah Court of the UK if they want to practice what they so unambiguously preach. Unless of course, the minister is seen as doing what is perfectly acceptable in Muslim philosophy, working with disbelievers (as a matter of necessity) with the aim of advancing the cause of Islam. I don't blame him - he emerges as a potential standard bearer - but is it what our nation wants, any more than evolution towards potential BNP dictates? Let me take a few quotes from The Islamist magazine which, incidentally, bears no bylines and carries no printing and publication source except for a telephone number for The Shari'ah Court of the UK which, I believe, is based at the Hijaz College on the A5 near Hinckley & Nuneaton or at least that is where the first such court was officially established in the UK. They say, and I quote: "Muslims are not permitted to engage in the democratic process as legislation is the sole right of Allah. "Nor do we believe we are free to satisfy our own desires as we see fit. Our rights and responsibilities are defined by the Shari'ah not the European Parliament, United Nations or any other man made legislative body." While the magazine refers to the "evil veil of democracy" (in relation to Pakistan), it concludes with the following in respect of perceived British government policy aimed at integrating Muslims and, as the the Shari'ah see it, so dividing them... Under the sub-heading "Solution" The Islamist says: "As Muslim residing in Britain, all the pressure and attacks against Islam and Muslims have to be (?) and confronted (a word is clearly missing from the text. Isolation from society and integration into Kufr *(the way of the disbeliever) have no place in our divine way of life (Al-Islam)... The hearts and minds of society need to be won over to Islam through the method of constant interaction to present Islam as an alternative belief system and a unique devine way of life since establishing the Shari'ah if Islam is an OBLIGATION upon ALL MUSLIMS (my caps) and Islam is the only devine solution to all of mankind's problems. I present these remarks, not as a criticism of Islam (Lord knows we have enough in our own attitudes to be ashamed of) but as clear evidence of the faith's ongoing and relentless determination to change our society whether we want it or not. And while the new Transport Minister may continue to prove moderate (though he's quickly boasted of being the most powerful Muslim MP which seems most immodest and un-Muslim-like), history shows that many a moderate can eventually be manipulated and obliged to be more extreme by the demands of his faith or even by being personally redirected in the name of his faith. http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/ar...22&rel_no=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_Malik http://www.pwhce.org/takfiri.html PS: Believing in something is fine but, on the basis of personal experience, I consider it astounding that anyone should suggest that they, and only they, carry the personal messsage of God and his wishes and therefore have the right to convert us. Are all other messages irrelevent and based upon lies or a lack of understanding? As one who was present when my own wife so dramatically believed she was welcomed into the visual presence of Jesus I find such arrogance indefensible. My wife has always accepted that she could have been mistaken anyway - that the whole experience might have been the working of her mental subconscience at a time when she was soon to be facing a life-threatening operation. Whatever, she has never again mentioned the subject either to me or anyone else as far as I'm aware. Nor has she ever suggested that any message was passed other than that she had a choice and that she should have faith in making that choice according to her own thoughts and conscience. In other words that SHE had the choice not that it was to be imposed or coerced by others. Following that to its logical conclusion no-one would ever have the right to build a power-base that would seek to dictate the thinking and actions of others. Which, I wonder, is the more worthy ideal? In the case of the ministerial appointment, Gordon Brown has made his choice. I sncerely hope he is proved to have chosen wisely although it may be that time and the electorate will frustrate the chance to truly find out.
Sir Fynwy Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 Religion should never be used as a reason for appointing or for not appointing people to a post in this country's government.
Dr The Singh Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 I wouldn't disagree with one word of that. And, talking of coloured MPs I believe it far more relevent to the future of our society that Gordon Brown has appointed Shahid Malik his first Muslim Cabinet minister than ever it is that the BNP have gained a few seats in local and European politics. Even though that minister projects himself as distinctly moderate - and I have no reason to question that nor the chap's worthiness for promotion - I believe the move sets an extremely risky precedent which has far reaching implications. I'm prepared to accept that the move has been made in the cause of inclusiveness and for any other mainstream faith, I would have no doubts that it would be a good thing. As it is I'm not at all sure. The Islamic path is entirely and relentlessly self-serving. And, having a copy of the May edition of The Islamist in front of me, I think (apart from being an intended vote magnet) Gordon Brown's appointment is a major gamble. Furthermore I neither understand how the minister has accepted the role given the dictates of his faith, nor why there would not be serious protest from the Shari'ah Court of the UK if they want to practice what they so unambiguously preach. Unless of course, the minister is seen as doing what is perfectly acceptable in Muslim philosophy, working with disbelievers (as a matter of necessity) with the aim of advancing the cause of Islam. I don't blame him - he emerges as a potential standard bearer - but is it what our nation wants, any more than evolution towards potential BNP dictates? Let me take a few quotes from The Islamist magazine which, incidentally, bears no bylines and carries no printing and publication source except for a telephone number for The Shari'ah Court of the UK which, I believe, is based at the Hijaz College on the A5 near Hinckley & Nuneaton or at least that is where the first such court was officially established in the UK. They say, and I quote: "Muslims are not permitted to engage in the democratic process as legislation is the sole right of Allah. "Nor do we believe we are free to satisfy our own desires as we see fit. Our rights and responsibilities are defined by the Shari'ah not the European Parliament, United Nations or any other man made legislative body." While the magazine refers to the "evil veil of democracy" (in relation to Pakistan), it concludes with the following in respect of perceived British government policy aimed at integrating Muslims and, as the the Shari'ah see it, so dividing them... Under the sub-heading "Solution" The Islamist says: "As Muslim residing in Britain, all the pressure and attacks against Islam and Muslims have to be (?) and confronted (a word is clearly missing from the text. Isolation from society and integration into Kufr *(the way of the disbeliever) have no place in our divine way of life (Al-Islam)... The hearts and minds of society need to be won over to Islam through the method of constant interaction to present Islam as an alternative belief system and a unique devine way of life since establishing the Shari'ah if Islam is an OBLIGATION upon ALL MUSLIMS (my caps) and Islam is the only devine solution to all of mankind's problems. I present these remarks, not as a criticism of Islam (Lord knows we have enough in our own attitudes to be ashamed of) but as clear evidence of the faith's ongoing and relentless determination to change our society whether we want it or not. And while the new Transport Minister may continue to prove moderate (though he's quickly boasted of being the most powerful Muslim MP which seems most immodest and un-Muslim-like), history shows that many a moderate can eventually be manipulated and obliged to be more extreme by the demands of his faith or even by being personally redirected in the name of his faith. http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/ar...22&rel_no=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_Malik http://www.pwhce.org/takfiri.html PS: Believing in something is fine but, on the basis of personal experience, I consider it astounding that anyone should suggest that they, and only they, carry the personal messsage of God and his wishes and therefore have the right to convert us. Are all other messages irrelevent and based upon lies or a lack of understanding? As one who was present when my own wife so dramatically believed she was welcomed into the visual presence of Jesus I find such arrogance indefensible. My wife has always accepted that she could have been mistaken anyway - that the whole experience might have been the working of her mental subconscience at a time when she was soon to be facing a life-threatening operation. Whatever, she has never again mentioned the subject either to me or anyone else as far as I'm aware. Nor has she has ever suggested that any message was passed other than that she had a choice and that she should have faith in making that choice according to her own thoughts and conscience. In other words that SHE had the choice not that it was to be imposed or coerced by others. Following that to its logical conclusion no-one would ever have the right to build a power-base that would seek to dictate the thinking and actions of others. Which, I wonder, is the more worthy ideal? In the case of the ministerial appointment, Gordon Brown has made his choice. I sncerely hope he is proved to have chosen wisely although it may be that time and the electorate will frustrate the chance to truly find out. I would like to think Malik was appointed because of his credentials as an MP, rather then him being a Muslim. But in politics, as we've seen, anything is possible, but the likely chances that Malik will be coerced or go about coercing to a more radical version of islam is pretty dangerous interms of his career. Malik will be under alot of scrutiny and media attention any underhand action would end his career very swiftly!!! What goes on behind doors in anyones home is anybodies idea, again I hope the majority of muslims have there allegiences and faith on two different spectrums, as Sir Fwnwy stated religion and politics shouldn't mix, otherwise it's a ticking time bomb, waiting to explode
Thracian Posted 11 June 2009 Posted 11 June 2009 What goes on behind doors in anyones home is anybodies idea, again I hope the majority of muslims have there allegiences and faith on two different spectrums, as Sir Fwnwy stated religion and politics shouldn't mix, otherwise it's a ticking time bomb, waiting to explode And with most religions they don't have to mix more than rarely. With true followers of Islam there is no choice.
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