davieG Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 i just wonder why people want to be negative all the time.this is our team!! how about we get behind whoever plays for the team, let alone up front, and maybe they will perform better under praise than criticism. plus we have 41 games left, lets wait until we have played a few more games. Bit pissed off with these knee-jerk threads going on at the moment, so I wrote this yesterday. Nobodies not 'getting behind the team' and it's not 'knee-jerk reactions'. Some people get their 'football manager' kicks from computer games others like to talk about their team - it's just pub talk. You don't think the fans at Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea etc have these conversations? In the words of Brian Little it's part & parcel of being a fan, it's not new, it's not related just to success or failure. If it annoys you that much don't open the thread - simple, everyone's happy.
bigneville Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 Quite true, unless you change the way we play!Our passing game seems to be improving but we are still hitting way too many early balls to Howard. Playing the ball earlier leaves our midfield still in deep positions, too far away to offer the target man any real support. This requires Howard to either find Fryatt with a flick-on or a quick layoff or hold the ball up while the midfield get up in support. It is not really working so we are not creating or scoring enough. Play the ball through midfield and play in our pacier strikers with short passes into feet would be my preferred option, and yess we do have the players to make it happen if we get out of the habit of playing the ball in early. Why would you want to change the way we play? Unbeaten at home in nearly a year, 9th in the Championship, and one defeat this season so far. Why would NP want to change any of his morals or game-plan? Everything is going well. The only thing we need to adopt is to have a better plan B at times, but thats the only fault I can find at the minute. And I would certainly not change the way we play, this has been the best football i've seen down Leicester City, since the turn of the millenium.
marbelladave Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 Why would you want to change the way we play?Unbeaten at home in nearly a year, 9th in the Championship, and one defeat this season so far. Why would NP want to change any of his morals or game-plan? Everything is going well. The only thing we need to adopt is to have a better plan B at times, but thats the only fault I can find at the minute. And I would certainly not change the way we play, this has been the best football i've seen down Leicester City, since the turn of the millenium. 9th doesn't win anything and if you're not trying to win (promotion) why bother? You don't find it a problem that we have only scored 4 goals in 5 games or that we give points away in games that we have 'bossed' for much of the time? To my mind we are playing pretty well, but not getting the results. I would like to see us try and fix that.
bigneville Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 9th doesn't win anything and if you're not trying to win (promotion) why bother?You don't find it a problem that we have only scored 4 goals in 5 games or that we give points away in games that we have 'bossed' for much of the time? To my mind we are playing pretty well, but not getting the results. I would like to see us try and fix that. 9th doesnt win anything true, but we are only 5 games into the season, we'd have all took this position after our opening games before them. If there is still a goalscoring issues after 8-9 games, then maybe it might need addressing. But the next two games we have, we are expected to win both, and potentially after 7 games, we could be top4. Then is there still an issue? But saying that, if we don't do well in the next two games, then maybe something might need addressing, but did you seriously expect us to take points at Sheff Utd or Newcastle, or even Ipswich to some extent. I think we have done very well so far, and 9th is great considering who we've played.
Legend_in_blue Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 As soon as I opened this thread, I was expecting a huge poll with lots of choices! Just look at the possible combinations you can have with 5 strikers on the books. Maddog, you missed the opportunity there! It could've been the biggest poll of the season. :w00t:
maddog Posted 4 September 2009 Author Posted 4 September 2009 As soon as I opened this thread, I was expecting a huge poll with lots of choices! Just look at the possible combinations you can have with 5 strikers on the books.Maddog, you missed the opportunity there! It could've been the biggest poll of the season. :w00t: I may do one soon
Lillehamring Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 Why would you want to change the way we play?Unbeaten at home in nearly a year, 9th in the Championship, and one defeat this season so far. Why would NP want to change any of his morals or game-plan? Everything is going well. The only thing we need to adopt is to have a better plan B at times, but thats the only fault I can find at the minute. And I would certainly not change the way we play, this has been the best football i've seen down Leicester City, since the turn of the millenium. yeah, but equally we could have been doing even better. i've had the luxury of catching two of our games on the telly this season, and in both our play in the final third has been really mediocre, which is not to say the strikers are to blame, but certainly the chances aren't materialising in proportion to the quality and quantity of possesion we have had... i think marbella was pretty much on the right track. against newcastle our three best chances were: howard from a corner, gallagher from a free kick and fryatt on a counter attack... the consensus seems to be that wellens and oakley are playing great, if that's the case, then why are we creating so few chances... yes, you would have taken our position at this stage, most of us would, but given how we have played it is equally reasonable to be disappointed we are not higher in the league - newcastle certainly didn't look as good as their position suggests. i think there is definately plenty to think about, cause good as we are, it's clear we have the potential to be better, tho i'm not sure the problem is quite how maddoog puts it, i'd certainly like to see more rotation up front...
maddog Posted 4 September 2009 Author Posted 4 September 2009 The top 10 Newcastle 8 goals West Brom 9 goals Cardiff 11 goals Middlesbrough 8 goals Bristol City 6 goals Preston 9 goals Sheff Utd 8 goals Sheff Wed 10 goals Us 4 goals Blackpool 7 goals We know we are decent at defending and not conceding, so come the end of the season will probably be in the top 6 defences in the league comfortably. But already the lack of goals has cost us, and it's clear sides above us have been banging them in.
Salieri Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 Were you thinking of saying this before the defeat at Newcastle or....? EXACTLY. In a game where, had we won, we would have gone joint top of the league! Yes, there has been a lack of goals thus far, but we have still had a good start nonetheless, and with two very winnable home games coming up, things may look even better very soon. Fryatt may bag a couple of goals in the next game, and this knee jerk reaction will die down (for a while). It's very early days, way too early for talk of changing the front two (and formation, as in another thread) in my opinion. Fryatt and Howard do not have a divine right to be in the team, but dropping either so early into the season would have a detrimental effect on their confidence. If the lack of goals is still evident in 5 or 6 games, as a result of missed chances rather than a lack of chances created, then by all means, give a chance to Kermo/Gallagher/Waghorn.
Lillehamring Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 EXACTLY.In a game where, had we won, we would have gone joint top of the league! Yes, there has been a lack of goals thus far, but we have still had a good start nonetheless, and with two very winnable home games coming up, things may look even better very soon. Fryatt may bag a couple of goals in the next game, and this knee jerk reaction will die down (for a while). It's very early days, way too early for talk of changing the front two (and formation, as in another thread) in my opinion. Fryatt and Howard do not have a divine right to be in the team, but dropping either so early into the season would have a detrimental effect on their confidence. If the lack of goals is still evident in 5 or 6 games, as a result of missed chances rather than a lack of chances created, then by all means, give a chance to Kermo/Gallagher/Waghorn. yeah, but that's the point, we didn't win, we lost - and up until they scored we looked good for a win or at least a point.... but we didn't really capitalise on good possesion in the first half and i don't think we recorded a shot on goal in the second. i think what maddog is saying, is that now we have enough forwards to try some rotation, it is fair to start qquestioning which two are going to be the most productive - 4 goals in 5 games doesn't reflect well on the way we have played so far this season.... personally, i'd give them another chance up front but with adams on the wing, gallagher and n'guessan is the reason we didn't do the buisness against a newcastle side that was understrength and there for the taking.... gallagher is a premier quality forward and has every reason to consider himself a contender for a starting spot (up front!), especially given the fact that the front two aren't really firing on all cylinders, and both starting whilst coming back from injury does seem a bit strange... lets not forget that half our league goals have come from n'guessan and waghorn coming off the bench
Flynny Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 I was seriously concerned given how Howard played last time we were in this division before the season started, but competing aerially during a tough run of games has reassured me. Using last season to damn either of them is ludicrous. Also can I repeat the TOUGH RUN OF GAMES bit?
Lillehamring Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 I was seriously concerned given how Howard played last time we were in this division before the season started, but competing aerially during a tough run of games has reassured me. Using last season to damn either of them is ludicrous.Also can I repeat the TOUGH RUN OF GAMES bit? yeah, but tough run of games or not, we have been competitive in them - by all accounts we could have had more from the ipswich sheffield and newcastle games... so the question is valid, would we have achieved more with different strikers... whilst howard may be winning stuff in the air, his shooting has (statistically) been under par... mind you, as i say, i think the performance of our wingers is probably more of a factor... interestingly, fryatt has hit the target 10 times so far, but only netted once - i'd be curious to hear opinions regarding the quality of these 'finishes'
Hugo Sanchez Posted 4 September 2009 Posted 4 September 2009 This is stupid, i'm not a Howard fan but i wouldn't drop him. Fryatt and Howard a great seasons last year and yes it was only in league 1 but they have proven they can play well together. Would anyone really drop Fryatt ? For Waghorn ? Get real for god sake. Waghorn has played how many games of football ? He's a good sub but he's not good enough to take over from Fryatt. Kermorgant to replace Howard ? That isn't even worth writing about.
ThorpeAstleyFox Posted 5 September 2009 Posted 5 September 2009 9th doesn't win anything and if you're not trying to win (promotion) why bother? 9th may not win anything but it would be our highest league position for 6 seasons! As for those people questioning Howard's ability at this level: in the season we were relgated he scored 6 goals in 20 starts; last seaon he scored 13 goals in 40 starts; how can one of these be considered poor and the other excellent?
foxaholic Posted 5 September 2009 Posted 5 September 2009 9th may not win anything but it would be our highest league position for 6 seasons!As for those people questioning Howard's ability at this level: in the season we were relgated he scored 6 goals in 20 starts; last seaon he scored 13 goals in 40 starts; how can one of these be considered poor and the other excellent? Lets face it the best win last year was S****horpe away Howard wasnt in the team. DJ proved with Blackpool he was the best striker at the club bgut why is he still here as there is no way we will play him similarly Porter both getting paid for nothing
maddog Posted 12 October 2009 Author Posted 12 October 2009 Is it really Howard and Fryatt?Or are we just so used to playing them every game they are avaliable that they automatically are in the team every week regardless of performance. I think NP should totally change the front two and try to form a new partnership, this dependency on Fryatt and Howard for most games is starting to annoy me. It just means no other strikers at the club are ever given a decent chance. And not ever changing the front two for a long run of games, a lot needed so they can gel and get used to playing together is giving us absolutely no options up front if Fryatt and Howard fail or get injured/suspended. Despite the signings of the new strikers, they will struggle to make an impact because they will never ever get a good run of games here. And you can't expect them to produce the goods in the odd 20 minutes or odd games they get to play, they need a serious run in the team. We're only a short way into the season, but already a lack of goals has cost us points, and NP should have a lot to think about, i would definitely change it up. It's almost like Fryatt and Howard are in the team just because they always have been, who knows how good our other strikers at the club are, Yann, Dj, Gallagher, Waghorn could score bags of goals given a chance in the side. But fook knows they are never given a go. Fryatt and Howard's lack of goals was the reason we were relegated from the Championship, we know Fryatt can burn it up in League One, but i don't think he will ever become a consistent prolific striker in the Championship of the Phillips/Ebanks Blake/Doyle calibre, someone we need to get out of this division. Whats everyone elses view on the front 2, and why do Fryatt and Howard play week in week out, what have they actually done IN THIS DIVISION to merit that, you can't say it's because their our best strikers because who knows if they are, no other partnership is ever given a chance. NPs listened and they were all given a go last match. Waghorn got the goal. Will they all get a crack at the Walkers Saturday
Corky Posted 12 October 2009 Posted 12 October 2009 NPs listened and they were all given a go last match. Waghorn got the goal.Will they all get a crack at the Walkers Saturday I'd like to see something different, like Fryatt, Howard and Waghorn up front as a three, or if Gallagher has to play, put him behind the front two. In all probability it'll be Howard and Fryatt in a 4-4-2.
marbelladave Posted 12 October 2009 Posted 12 October 2009 I'd like to see something different, like Fryatt, Howard and Waghorn up front as a three, or if Gallagher has to play, put him behind the front two.In all probability it'll be Howard and Fryatt in a 4-4-2. you mean 4-4-fooking-2, be precise! Ball played nice and early into Howard and Fryatt, making absolutely sure that there is no chance whatsoever of anyone from midfield getting up to support. Howard with the flick-ons, sometimes getting the ball as close as 20yds to Fryatt. You know it makes sense, embrace your inner HOOF!
The Doctor Posted 13 October 2009 Posted 13 October 2009 heskey's not getting a look in at villa. will want to play regularly in run up to WC. wouldn't mind loaning him in to replace/cover for howard.
Salieri Posted 13 October 2009 Posted 13 October 2009 heskey's not getting a look in at villa. will want to play regularly in run up to WC. wouldn't mind loaning him in to replace/cover for howard. Good one.
The Doctor Posted 13 October 2009 Posted 13 October 2009 Good one. I wasn't joking, or was I? Hmm... nah i wasn't joking although maybe i was having a laugh ... who knows and more importantly who cares? For those still interested i wasn't joking however ....
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