stez Posted 28 September 2009 Posted 28 September 2009 just watching 'the genius of charles darwin', on freeview+, and much as i subscribe to darwin's theories; the pompous tw@t dawkins has me running for my gideon new testament and filing it under fact. he's like the worst teacher you could imagine, he could teach people quite a lot, but he seems so exasperated with anyone who seems to know less than he.....and if the 'G' word gets an airing, then my god i doubt he'd piss on you if you were(n't *because it doesn't exist) burning in hell. he seems to have no concept for the possibility that he may be wrong (on some things) theories on various things are always changing. this could be an enjoyable, and informative, programme but with media favourite dawks at the helm it's ruined for me.
Zingari Posted 28 September 2009 Posted 28 September 2009 maybe he seems to have no concept for the possibility that he may be wrong because he's constantly arguing with religious zealots who think the same thing
stez Posted 28 September 2009 Author Posted 28 September 2009 maybe he seems to have no concept for the possibility that he may be wrong because he's constantly arguing with religious zealots who think the same thing it's certainly a fight he seems to enjoy picking, then (as on the radio last week) saying he has no problem with people having religious beliefs. actually saying he was an agnostic. i was amused to see it took him around 3 words before he mentioned god in the episode i'm watching now. he seems ever so preoccupied with god.
Zingari Posted 28 September 2009 Posted 28 September 2009 it's certainly a fight he seems to enjoy picking, then (as on the radio last week) saying he has no problem with people having religious beliefs. actually saying he was an agnostic.i was amused to see it took him around 3 words before he mentioned god in the episode i'm watching now. he seems ever so preoccupied with god. i did not hear this interview but have great difficulty believing that he described himself as an "agnostic" , as in his book " the god delusion " he described agnostics as just as guilty as believers . not trying to be argumentative and i do accept your word in regard to what you heard
stez Posted 28 September 2009 Author Posted 28 September 2009 i did not hear this interview but have great difficulty believing that he described himself as an "agnostic" , as in his book " the god delusion " he described agnostics as just as guilty as believers .not trying to be argumentative and i do accept your word in regard to what you heard he said something along the lines of; if he was pressed he'd say he was on the atheist side of agnostic, i can't get the listen again feature working on my shit-top so i can't hear again how it came about that he said such a thing
Unit Posted 28 September 2009 Posted 28 September 2009 got in an arguement with some christians at dmu today, they said if there was one thing I could ask god, what would it be? me: :fox: jesus' children: :fox: "why aren't leicester living it up in the champions league?" they didn't like that, i had to give them a serious question :fox: "why is there war?" "it filters out the bad people and also god let's people do their own free will" :fox: "ok, why is there cancer?" "that's more scientific than to do with god..." :fox: "....I win." I then got chased by some angry little jesus child who was terrifying. 22 years old and looked about 6.
ozleicester Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 just watching 'the genius of charles darwin', on freeview+, and much as i subscribe to darwin's theories; the pompous tw@t dawkins has me running for my gideon new testament and filing it under fact. he's like the worst teacher you could imagine, he could teach people quite a lot, but he seems so exasperated with anyone who seems to know less than he.....and if the 'G' word gets an airing, then my god i doubt he'd piss on you if you were(n't *because it doesn't exist) burning in hell. he seems to have no concept for the possibility that he may be wrong (on some things) theories on various things are always changing. this could be an enjoyable, and informative, programme but with media favourite dawks at the helm it's ruined for me. I am afraid that you can tell me every minute of every day for the rest of my life, that, "black is white", however, it will still be wrong and i will never be able to conceive a time when i will accept otherwise.
stez Posted 29 September 2009 Author Posted 29 September 2009 I am afraid that you can tell me every minute of every day for the rest of my life, that, "black is white", however, it will still be wrong and i will never be able to conceive a time when i will accept otherwise. everyone (*who thought about that sort of thing) thought the earth was flat, until more information came along. to have a closed mind, and thinking we now know everything we will ever know is a bit sad really (sad = upsetting, rather than the more modern use of sad = that is so saaaaaaaaad)
Zingari Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 he said something along the lines of; if he was pressed he'd say he was on the atheist side of agnostic, i can't get the listen again feature working on my shit-top so i can't hear again how it came about that he said such a thing Ahh yes , I think I remember how this discussion about agnosticism develops in his book now . He states something along the lines that athiests are told that they must accept the possibility ( however small ) that they may be wrong and as such are not atheists but agnostics ,. But he goes on to say that anyone who believes in god or gods must also accept the possibilty ( however small ) that they must also be wrong and as such should also be described as agnostics . This of course renders the term as meaningless . But in reality of course the term is only ever applied to non believers He also says something like , " we are all athiests as there are many gods that we don't believe in , but a true athiest does not believe in just one more.
skinnydipper Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 A while since I read The God Delusion and I know it's been done to death on here but wasn't the nub of the book 1. The bible's a load of codswallop ( rationally not to difficult an argument to make ) 2. If there is a God - who made God Simplistic I know but Dawkins to my mind doesn't prove or disprove there being a God We don't know what is responsible for the seed of creation ,either theologically or scientifically But fair play to Dawkins for making a pile of cash from the blindingly obvious
Webbo Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 just watching 'the genius of charles darwin', on freeview+, and much as i subscribe to darwin's theories; the pompous tw@t dawkins has me running for my gideon new testament and filing it under fact. he's like the worst teacher you could imagine, he could teach people quite a lot, but he seems so exasperated with anyone who seems to know less than he.....and if the 'G' word gets an airing, then my god i doubt he'd piss on you if you were(n't *because it doesn't exist) burning in hell. he seems to have no concept for the possibility that he may be wrong (on some things) theories on various things are always changing. this could be an enjoyable, and informative, programme but with media favourite dawks at the helm it's ruined for me. That's pretty much my feelings on the matter.If people believe in a god, any god, then good luck to them. If you don't believe in a god well that's your business. Intellectual snobs like Dawkins who think they can look down their nose at anyone who disagrees with them really wind me up.
Zingari Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 yep , religious folk around the world never caused anyone any harm who disagreed with them , so leave em be .
Dr The Singh Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 yep , religious folk around the world never caused anyone any harm who disagreed with them , so leave em be . I would fgo further and say folk in general never caused any harm to who disagreed with them, basically they used religion as an excuse, if there wasn't religion they would have found some other reason not to cause harm!!
Webbo Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 yep , religious folk around the world never caused anyone any harm who disagreed with them , so leave em be . That might have been the case years ago but not anymore, not in this country anyway.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 I know a big Dawkins-ite, and to be honest he gets a lot more overexcited about it when putting his views across than the people I know that believe in God. He's more of a zealot than any of them. It makes religion sound quite attractive in comparison
Phube Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 Just to back up my hero. Dawkins classes himself as a "De Facto Atheist". I.e I don't believe God exists, but I can't prove it. But I'll live my life as if there is no God!
Zingari Posted 29 September 2009 Posted 29 September 2009 That might have been the case years ago but not anymore, not in this country anyway. yes you're probably right , who cares if some foreign poof gets stoned to death or an evil adulterous harlot gets beheaded , if they hadn't broken god's laws it wouldn't happen .they bloody asked for it . anyway i'm off to the stoning , should be a good one local boy who took the name of the lord in vain
stez Posted 29 September 2009 Author Posted 29 September 2009 the trouble with religion is, it was invented by humans.
Zingari Posted 30 September 2009 Posted 30 September 2009 if there is a god , why does he move in such mysterious ways ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8281949.stm
Phube Posted 30 September 2009 Posted 30 September 2009 if there is a god , why does he move in such mysterious ways ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8281949.stm It turns out God's a Scientologist!
Zingari Posted 11 October 2009 Posted 11 October 2009 it seems that creationists may soon be admitting that god did not create everything , he just fiddled about with it a bit to get it working http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...s-academic.html God is not the Creator, claims academic The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic, who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years.
stez Posted 11 October 2009 Author Posted 11 October 2009 i've never really understood how a roman-age mind would ever be able to understand the complexities of the universe, when the modern day scientist struggles. 'god sent man to the four corners of the world and he spoke in different tongues' (or words to that effect), if i were god and was a bit stroppy with humans, i spread them across the universe, not do the cosmic equivalent of sitting people in different rooms of a very small house.
Daggers Posted 12 October 2009 Posted 12 October 2009 if i were god and was a bit stroppy with humans, i spread them across the universe, not do the cosmic equivalent of sitting people in different rooms of a very small house. I'm not happy that the Welsh were left on the naughty step.
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