Dr The Singh Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 He's probably banned from all the local ones! For not keeping his hands to himself or dropping his trousers and shouting 'look at this for a Mammoth' Your probably right El Empty, he's probably a real pest, and doesn't no when to stop!!
Asha Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I agree with the comments that 'black bastard' isn't really a racist comment. I've been called a 'white c***' and the like many a time by people of other ethnicities, and I wouldn't have said it was racist.
Samilktray Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Calling someone a black bastard definitely isn't racist. Good one.
Koke Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I agree with the comments that 'black bastard' isn't really a racist comment.I've been called a 'white c***' and the like many a time by people of other ethnicities, and I wouldn't have said it was racist. Saying that to a random black person in a queue is a bit, err, uncalled for perhaps Calling your close mates black bastards is all well and good - that's between you two.
Guest Bilo Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Tbh, I don't even believe he racially abused anyone. All it says is *There were racial undertones in the kind of language he was using*. That could mean anything. He was a bit stupid and silly due to the alcohol of course, but I wouldn't read too much into it. I thought that which is why I haven't made too much of that part of the statement. Could have been the bouncer either misunderstanding what MA said or the guy just trying to make the situation sound worse than it was.
Thracian Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Handbags and brawls is one thing... racial abuse is something entirely different and just shows him for what he is. Do think a man in his mid forties (he looks a bloody lot older ) would know better and it was obviously going to get out. No sympathy whatsoever. You are just the kind who makes a mockery of the term "racist abuse" and your attitude has actually caused more anti-racial resentment than you can perhaps imagine as a consequence...as perhaps seen by the rise in support for far right politics. Real racial abuse is far more serious than this quoted off-the-cuff remark. And making it out to be different doesn't help anyone tackle real abuse. It just makes the issue petty.
lou Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I agree with the comments that 'black bastard' isn't really a racist comment.I've been called a 'white c***' and the like many a time by people of other ethnicities, and I wouldn't have said it was racist. It is and it is
lou Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 You are just the kind who makes a mockery of the term "racist abuse" and your attitude has actually caused more anti-racial resentment than you can perhaps imagine as a consequence...as perhaps seen by the rise in support for far right politics.Real racial abuse is far more serious than this quoted off-the-cuff remark. And making it out to be different doesn't help anyone tackle real abuse. It just makes the issue petty. just
Edmund Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 "Are you looking at me white boy" is typical or "why are you ogling my girl, white boy". Both are direct threats that are arguablly much more calculated to insult people racially than anything Allen is said to have uttered.
Shrenchel Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I agree with the comments that 'black bastard' isn't really a racist comment.I've been called a 'white c***' and the like many a time by people of other ethnicities, and I wouldn't have said it was racist. You fvcking spanner.
MrBojangles Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 You are just the kind who makes a mockery of the term "racist abuse" and your attitude has actually caused more anti-racial resentment than you can perhaps imagine as a consequence...as perhaps seen by the rise in support for far right politics.Real racial abuse is far more serious than this quoted off-the-cuff remark. And making it out to be different doesn't help anyone tackle real abuse. It just makes the issue petty. It worries me a little that people don't consider calling someone a black b*****d racist abuse. It really is. And actually the point isn't that this "off-the-cuff remark" should or shouldn't help develop our understanding of racism. Surely it's that Allen is/was in a position of responsibility and the manager of several black players to boot. To imply that the newspaper shouldn't have focused on the racist aspect of Allen's vitriol doesn't make much sense to me.
Jordan Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Martin Allen has always struck me as the kind of bloke who would be a great laugh down the pub. Laughing with, or laughing at?
Ultra Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Allen refutes "grossly untrue" claims Cheltenham manager Martin Allen has defended himself against what he describes as "false and grossly untrue allegations" that have seen him placed on gardening leave by the League Two club. A bouncer at a Cheltenham nightclub alleged he was racially abused by Allen, and Gloucestershire Police have confirmed they are to investigate the incident. Cheltenham have placed assistant manager John Schofield in temporary charge of team affairs but Allen has vowed to clear his name. A statement released by Allen via the League Managers Association website read: "A number of false and grossly untrue allegations have recently been made about me in relation to an alleged incident outside a nightclub a few weeks ago, including the completely untrue allegation that I made a racial remark. "I wish to confirm that these allegations are untrue and deeply hurtful to me and I will now be taking appropriate steps to clear my name. "In the meantime I will be making no further comment." Earlier on Tuesday, Gloucestershire Police revealed they would be looking into the allegations. A police statement read: "We did not receive any reports of this particular incident on the night it is alleged to have taken place and have not received any reports since. "However, due to the nature of the allegations now being reported in the media we have taken the decision to look into it further. "Officers will be in contact with the nightclub to speak to staff in order to establish if any crime has been committed." Allen, a former West Ham player, took over at Cheltenham in September last year. It's ironic that the tabloid that broke the story about Allen has itself a long and shameful record of racial prejudice, and also of falsifying stories. As far as I'm concerned, Allen remains innocent until proven guilty
Fox You Forest Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Laughing with, or laughing at? Depends how many he's had.
Nick Posted 21 October 2009 Posted 21 October 2009 Sounds much more that the issue here is insulting behaviour to staff than the racial abuse that the journo is choosing to focus on. That's an anger remark not a racist remark. Made in that situation it was like calling someone wearing glasses a "four-eyed freak" or someone from Ireland a "Shit-faced Paddy" I've no sympathy with Allen at all. He's such an ignoramus. But for the journo to focus on the "black bastard" remark is pathetic. It has absolutely nothing to do with genuine examples of racism. I've heard similarly disrespectful comments made by stacks of black people to whites but they never, ever get highlighted. "Are you looking at me white boy" is typical or "why are you ogling my girl, white boy". Both are direct threats that are arguablly much more calculated to insult people racially than anything Allen is said to have uttered. Our society simply chooses to ignore these and pretend they don't happen. The nightclub owner - as the witness - doesn't seem to be focusing on the so-called racial aspect at all but on Allen's all-round yobbish behaviour and the general insults to his staff as part of that. And, as such, if true, Allen will deserve whatever he gets including the loss of his job. Because, again, if true, it hardly reflects the kind of conduct one would expect of any senior executive. Again, Thrac, you display no understanding of racism, as a concept, the comparatives you use as black people calling white people, "You white bastard" carries an incomparable social weight, power or meaning.
andy_croydz Posted 21 October 2009 Posted 21 October 2009 To be honest that is shocking. I wasn't aware of Martin Allens previous stuff either like dropping his trousers in a pub, WTF!? I thought he was a decent guy aswell but this has made me change my opinion of him. Yeh a lot of people have flew off the handle at some point in their life and done something they regret but the fact Allen offered the guy out and then waited across the road and gave him dirty looks for about an hour... Shows to me that this wasn't just a 'fly off the handle for 5 minutes' job and then it calms down. Absolute nob to be honest.
andy_croydz Posted 21 October 2009 Posted 21 October 2009 Again, Thrac, you display no understanding of racism, as a concept, the comparatives you use as black people calling white people, "You white bastard" carries an incomparable social weight, power or meaning. Gotta agree with that, calling someone a black bastard is racist no matter how you look at it. Why didn't he just call him a bastard, why the 'black' before it? Because it was quite clearly a racist remark. Nothing against Thraic but for me he was being racist. Whether or not he is a racist guy I don't know, only Allen knows that but that certainly was a racist comment.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Again, Thrac, you display no understanding of racism, as a concept, the comparatives you use as black people calling white people, "You white bastard" carries an incomparable social weight, power or meaning. I'm sure you'll be able to explain why. Or are you just another blinkered social manipulator who refuses to see or acknowledge the anti-white English racism that is so conveniently ignored by those with their own agenda.? I presume you're not white, which would doubtless explain your stance but if you are then you're walking around with your eyes and ears closed. Or in a very sheltered environment.
Dr The Singh Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 I'm sure you'll be able to explain why. Or are you just another blinkered social manipulator who refuses to see or acknowledge the anti-white English racism that is so conveniently ignored by those with their own agenda.? I presume you're not white, which would doubtless explain your stance but if you are then you're walking around with your eyes and ears closed. Or in a very sheltered environment. Now Thrac what is the % of anti white racism to say anti asian racism?????
TrickyTrev Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Now Thrac what is the % of anti white racism to say anti asian racism????? Depends how much 'Ogling' us honkies are guilty of! Arguing that calling someone a Black Bastard isn't racism sounds like one of those challenges at the end of Fighting Talk where they ask you to defend the indefensible!
Dr The Singh Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Depends how much 'Ogling' us honkies are guilty of! Arguing that calling someone a Black Bastard isn't racism sounds like one of those challenges at the end of Fighting Talk where they ask you to defend the indefensible! It's the intent and context, rather then the use of the words that should decide racism, in this context, I wasn't there to witness the context or intent it was said in, so I can't say either way!!!
BoneDog Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Yes there is racism against whites and the reason is that a small percentage of people in this country are just absolute nobheads. So obviously some of these nobheads are going to be non-white. What I've witnessed through life though is that the majority of racism is certainly not directed at whites. If someone came up to me in town and started being aggressive and called me a white willy puller etc., I wouldn't have a grudge against anyone else who was the same complexion or race/religion as that person. I would just pass it off as another brainless idiot who lives in my area similar to the other thousand anti-social bar stools I have to tolerate on a day or night out. No race or religion is worse or better than any other. People are people and all have exactly the same emotions and we should just face facts that a minority of people are just scum. Race and religion have nothing to do with it.
Guest Bilo Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Yes there is racism against whites and the reason is that a small percentage of people in this country are just absolute nobheads. So obviously some of these nobheads are going to be non-white. What I've witnessed through life though is that the majority of racism is certainly not directed at whites. If someone came up to me in town and started being aggressive and called me a white willy puller etc., I wouldn't have a grudge against anyone else who was the same complexion or race/religion as that person. I would just pass it off as another brainless idiot who lives in my area similar to the other thousand anti-social bar stools I have to tolerate on a day or night out. No race or religion is worse or better than any other. People are people and all have exactly the same emotions and we should just face facts that a minority of people are just scum. Race and religion have nothing to do with it. Never thought I'd say this but you're spot on.
BoneDog Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Never thought I'd say this but you're spot on. Hallelujah. Maybe in another 3000 posts we'll agree again!
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