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EDL (English Defence League)

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Zingari

Zingari

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War is not a nice business, people get killed, accidentally and deliberately. If Western forces were really totally indifferent to civilian deaths the war would be over by now.

which adds credence to the argument that they don't actually want to win, but prolong :ph34r:

:)

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Empty has been banging away at a reply for ages now , i'm looking forward to some good old conspiracy stuff :thumbup:

Webbo

Webbo

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:)

EDIT;

Empty has been banging away at a reply for ages now , i'm looking forward to some good old conspiracy stuff :thumbup:

I noticed that too. I'm bracing myself for the onslaught.

BoneDog

BoneDog

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Or, steering clear of the global conspiracy theories, the simple and cynical belief that NATO Command entirely believe that the ends truly will justify the means and the civilian deaths are a pre-determined and acceptable cost of their campaign.

I'm not implying that attacks on civilians start out with the goal of being attacks on civilians. What I'm implying is that the evidence seems to be there that, largely speaking, NATO don't give much of a toss who gets gunned down or bombed if they're pushing on to their objectives.

A couple of quotes here from the past. Plenty more recent ones out there too. I think they're relevant.

"To me, I confess that countries are pieces on a chessboard upon which is being played out a great game for the domination of the world." - Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, 1898.

"We have 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of it's population. In this situation, our real job in the coming period is to maintain this position of disparity. To do so, we have to dispense with all sentimentaility. We should cease thinking about human rights, the raising of living standards and democratisation." - George Kennan, US strategic planner, 1948.

"The use of cluster bombs (in Afghanistan) is entirely appropriate. Against certain targets they are the best and most effective weapons we have." - Geoff Hoon to Parliament (around 2003).

All from the great book "The New Rulers of the World" by Pilger.

BoneDog

BoneDog

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i'm so glad you've got your fookin priorities right

save the world from global tyranny or win a few bob at online poker

It was 'lost a few bob' yesterday! Totally wiped out my account.

I've tried to save the world (well, a few friends and family at least) from global tyranny but it didn't work and everyone now thinks I'm mental :D

BoneDog

BoneDog

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which adds credence to the argument that they don't actually want to win, but prolong :ph34r:

:)

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Empty has been banging away at a reply for ages now , i'm looking forward to some good old conspiracy stuff :thumbup:

:D I've not got time at the moment, got to go shop, but will probably be coming out with some good old crazy ideas later today!

BoneDog

BoneDog

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Is that it? :unsure:

I'm raring to get talking conspiracies but it'll have to be later, I've only been up an hour and half.

Oh shit, I can feel a new thread coming on after football !

Zingari

Zingari

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:D I've not got time at the moment, got to go shop, but will probably be coming out with some good old crazy ideas later today!

I heard that the EDL sneaked in and planted explosives in the Salomon Bros building ( WT7 ) while everyone was watching the twin towers collapse and blamed it on Muslims

And they found a BNP membership card amongst the rubble

Webbo

Webbo

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I'm raring to get talking conspiracies but it'll have to be later, I've only been up an hour and half.

Oh shit, I can feel a new thread coming on after football !

:D I'm looking forward to it. I haven't had a good row on here for ages. :thumbup:

FoxyPV

FoxyPV

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Webbo - Of course I'm not saying that accidental killing is the same as murder. What I'm saying is that those civilians in Iraq will regard all deaths by the coalition forces as murder regardless of whether or not they were deemed accidental by the coalition forces. They are an invading force no matter how the western media spins it and are viewed as such.

I'll use an example from home - Bloody Sunday - the soldiers didn't mean to kill civilians but killed 13 of them. It has always been viewed as murder by the local population because the Army were seen as an invading/ oppressive force. This was played down for over 30 years and the soldiers absolved of blame by numerous govts because the Army deemed themselves to be at war.

This is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan now.

The truth rarely comes out during war.

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Christoph

Christoph

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While I agree with Zingari, its probably a lot easier to prevent the EDL then it is to prevent muslim extremist groups in which the serious/actual ones are hidden

Bellend Sebastian

Bellend Sebastian

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it could equally be argued that extremist Islamism could be the cause of extreme nationalist backlash

but hey ho

Well, being as opposing extremist Islam is their very reason for being, I'm sure the EDL would cheerily support that view. But there's a big difference between being the root cause of something and contributing to it. The EDL are a response to a threat, but the West Midlands CTU are simply suggesting - and they're not the first - that they're actually fuelling the problem. It's hardly new thinking, I know, but the fact that it's coming from an agency actually tasked with countering the threat (and one that you would hope would know rather more about extremist Islam than the average joe) I'd consider that to be a view that should be taken seriously

Zingari

Zingari

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Well, being as opposing extremist Islam is their very reason for being, I'm sure the EDL would cheerily support that view. But there's a big difference between being the root cause of something and contributing to it. The EDL are a response to a threat, but the West Midlands CTU are simply suggesting - and they're not the first - that they're actually fuelling the problem. It's hardly new thinking, I know, but the fact that it's coming from an agency actually tasked with countering the threat (and one that you would hope would know rather more about extremist Islam than the average joe) I'd consider that to be a view that should be taken seriously

Whilst I'm not questioning the logic of this , I was under the impression ( possibly wrongly ) that Islamic fundamentalism was on the increase in many other countries around the world .

If that is the case , then whilst it may be possible that EDL are fuelling ill feeling towards muslims and in turn encouraging more muslims to become evermore extreme on these shores , it's unlikely that they have any influence elsewhere .

Matt

Matt

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Getting bored of most threads having a race debate, digging this up from two pages back won't help but no doubt it will rear it's ugly head over the weekend anyway.

They are visiting Nuneaton tomorrow, 3rd time they've come, Nuneaton isn't dropping the name Christmas or the celebrations but they are saying over the next year they will be targeting anywhere that drops the name of Christmas or dodges around the festivities, activities and celebrations to appease people.

MikeyT

MikeyT

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Take a look at the "friendly visit" the EDL paid to a local dinner.

Notice there were women and children in there and you can clearly hear the cries of the kids. Yet these thugs just came in and started attacking people.

Just gob smacked. Of course it was a "minority"...... :rolleyes:

Holy crap. So glad you're ok mate and that no one was seriously hurt. Unbelievable.

MikeyT

MikeyT

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It was hardly Brixton.

Maybe not, but it still could have turned alot uglier than it did, and i'm just saying i'm glad it didn't.

Daggers

Daggers

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Maybe not, but it still could have turned alot uglier than it did, and i'm just saying i'm glad it didn't.

Mate - I'm not having a pop.

It was a flippant comment s'all

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