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The term 'Broken Britain'

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There may be worse places than Britain but that doesn't mean every thing here is great. There are lots of areas in every city/large town where you wouldn't want to walk through at night or even in daylight sometimes.

Can't think of one in Leicester :dunno:

Likewise. I was just thinking this the other night as I cycled through town in the early hours and it struck me how safe the city is. When I lived just outside London it was a different kettle of fish and you'd have to look over your shoulder constantly.

Leicester may have a few rough estates with certain troublemakers but Leicester city centre is probably by far one of the safest cities in England.

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Likewise. I was just thinking this the other night as I cycled through town in the early hours and it struck me how safe the city is. When I lived just outside London it was a different kettle of fish and you'd have to look over your shoulder constantly.

Leicester may have a few rough estates with certain troublemakers but Leicester city centre is probably by far one of the safest cities in England.

Im going against myself a bit here but my cousin got stabbed there couple of weeks ago

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Im going against myself a bit here but my cousin got stabbed there couple of weeks ago

That's harsh mate but I'm not saying that Leicester is devoid of any form of violence, I just don't agree with Webbo stating that there are specific no go areas in the city.

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That's harsh mate but I'm not saying that Leicester is devoid of any form of violence, I just don't agree with Webbo stating that there are specific no go areas in the city.

I agree with you mate, Leicesters a nice enough place I think. Although as he says maybe an outsider going into some places in the country such as Hackney,Mile End, Moss Side or That Leigh something estate in Portsmouth you might not be welcome.

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Most UK voters are old enough to remember that it was, in fact, successive Conservative governments in the 1980s that broke Britain, creating mass unemployment and wrecking state education, the health service and the country’s manufacturing industries. Every disaffected hoodie is the child of people who were thrown on the scrapheap by Margaret Thatcher.

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Your a taffy. What more do I need to say?

:crylaugh:

Caerlyr is Leicester!!

:giggle:

Sorry, I'm not picking on you before someone dares to suggest it.

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I agree with you mate, Leicesters a nice enough place I think. Although as he says maybe an outsider going into some places in the country such as Hackney,Mile End, Moss Side or That Leigh something estate in Portsmouth you might not be welcome.

No way. Lived in or around Hackney for years and also know Mile End area well. Much worse places in London.

In Hackney if there's trouble it's going to be gang related and you'd be VERY unlucky to get caught up in it. After 6 years I've not had any problems at all. Had more trouble living in Reading!

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Disagree by voting, whichever person you're voting for you're saying in effect that your happy with the current set up and the people that are endeavouring to become MPs especially if that's a sitting MP.

By not voting I'm saying loud and clearly I don't trust or respect any of you and you've done nothing to convince me otherwise.

I will therefore continue to abstain and criticise especially the self serving approach of MPs, rather than the policies of the respective parties.

I disagree. By not voting people could assume you're just apathetic and aren't really fussed. Spoiling your ballot has more of your desired effect, in my opinion :thumbup:

Precisely. Those elected realise they're not being held accountable as they assume all those who didn't register a vote are apathetic to what they do during their tenure, and so the vicious cycle of corruption and stagnance continues. I do think that spoiled ballots should be published though, it's actually quite disgusting that they're not.

People should use their vote in some form, if only to raise the turnout level. Maybe I'm just young and not cynical enough yet in saying that though...

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Most UK voters are old enough to remember that it was, in fact, successive Conservative governments in the 1980s that broke Britain, creating mass unemployment and wrecking state education, the health service and the countrys manufacturing industries. Every disaffected hoodie is the child of people who were thrown on the scrapheap by Margaret Thatcher.

You might think that, other might think the unions casued much of it in the face of unstoppable changes in the global economy- but this is completely irrelevant. Labour have had 12 years to fix things you think were broken by the Tories, and they have completely and utterley blown it. 10 years of growth, doubling spend in many areas, and productivity has nosedived. Why? Becuase Labour want to control everything from the centre, and spent most of their time setting up insane processes, rules and measures to try and achieve that. The public sector spends so much of its time looking at what it is doing it has not time to achieve anything.

Nice that you ended with a typical Labourite abdication of personal responsibility on behalf of all crap parents out there. :appl:

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You might think that, other might think the unions casued much of it in the face of unstoppable changes in the global economy- but this is completely irrelevant. Labour have had 12 years to fix things you think were broken by the Tories, and they have completely and utterley blown it. 10 years of growth, doubling spend in many areas, and productivity has nosedived. Why? Becuase Labour want to control everything from the centre, and spent most of their time setting up insane processes, rules and measures to try and achieve that. The public sector spends so much of its time looking at what it is doing it has not time to achieve anything.

Nice that you ended with a typical Labourite abdication of personal responsibility on behalf of all crap parents out there. :appl:

Nice that you acknowledge the Tories were as shite as Labour have been. The Tories would maintain all of the restrictions on the public sector, all the league tables and the bollocks that goes with it. Both parties would dramatically reduce spending, both parties would fuck it up and we'll be debating the same bollocks come the next election.

So where do we go from here? The system doesn't work.

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Nice that you acknowledge the Tories were as shite as Labour have been. The Tories would maintain all of the restrictions on the public sector, all the league tables and the bollocks that goes with it. Both parties would dramatically reduce spending, both parties would fuck it up and we'll be debating the same bollocks come the next election.

So where do we go from here? The system doesn't work.

Neither party has a monopoly on good ideas, ambition or incompetence. Labour however do seem to be able to bring morons to the top through bullying behaviour in a way you don't see in other parties - I guess it must be the union influence...

I believe there is a fundamental difference between the Labour and Tory approach. I don't buy this they are all the same argument. We need some fresh eyes on the whole thing, and yes I will probably say the same after 3 terms of the Tories.

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Neither party has a monopoly on good ideas, ambition or incompetence. Labour however do seem to be able to bring morons to the top through bullying behaviour in a way you don't see in other parties - I guess it must be the union influence...

So what was the influence to get all of the corrupt, all of the perverts, all the liars and all of the unbelievably incompetent to the top during Thatch's reign? Not those pesky unions again, surely?

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So what was the influence to get all of the corrupt, all of the perverts, all the liars and all of the unbelievably incompetent to the top during Thatch's reign? Not those pesky unions again, surely?

It was Scargill's fault (everything is for some reason)

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Labour got into power because they fibbed, they offered a new solution to party politics. It didn't work but they remained in power until they proved themselves the equal to everything that went before.

Now we have a bunch of inept, corrupt liars in power and a bunch or proven inept, corrupt liars wanting to take power. Would you like me to piss in your left or your right ear?

There are a smattering of genuine, intelligent politicians from all over the political spectrum but the bulk of them are wankers. So why should I vote? My constituency MP is stepping down (before being pushed) and my choice is between a handful of arseholes who don't live in the constituency or the BNP who want to repatriate half of it.

My vote will do nothing more than to confirm my acceptance of a failed system and support a person and party I do not want to see in office. I used to hold store in the argument that at least my vote would count towards preventing the extremists from getting in, but it doesn't.

At least if we had a form of PR my vote would count towards something but less than 40% of the country vote and less than half of that elect the government of the day - we are ruled by the minority who obtain most of their votes from the stupid.

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You might think that, other might think the unions casued much of it in the face of unstoppable changes in the global economy- but this is completely irrelevant. Labour have had 12 years to fix things you think were broken by the Tories, and they have completely and utterley blown it. 10 years of growth, doubling spend in many areas, and productivity has nosedived. Why? Becuase Labour want to control everything from the centre, and spent most of their time setting up insane processes, rules and measures to try and achieve that. The public sector spends so much of its time looking at what it is doing it has not time to achieve anything.

Nice that you ended with a typical Labourite abdication of personal responsibility on behalf of all crap parents out there. :appl:

And Thatcher's Legacy? Feathered her nest, like all those in power. Trouble was, she ended up with two dysfunctional children; one a crook and the other reduced to appearing on Scum TV with Ant'n'Dec. Bet she's as proud of herself as you are of her.

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