Leicester City Away Fans

[unreachable]

They do don't they? People sit at games without any trouble, don't they?

Very clever. You know that I mean the right to sit without people standing in front of them and obstructing their view.

[Kilworthfox]

I did the same at your age. I am not arguing against designated seating and standing areas but until they exist in law then my point remains that those who sit should have their rights respected.

please stop refering to the Taylor report, I would not wipe my arse with it, as it is already full of shit

Facts are people died, Police were responceable, but the authorities did not have the balls to bring them to book, so they decided that it would be easier if the football fans would have to pay for the police's mistakes by advocating seating throughout the professional leagues.

[lcfc"weasel"]

There are plenty of seats at 9/10 away games where a person(s) could sit quite comfortably with noone obstructing their view

[Edmund]

Football fans in getting drunk, being non-compliant with stewards and swearing a lot shocker!

Not sure I really get the point of the thread ?! Been going on for decades. It's definitely no 'worse' now than it's been before, if anything it's much much more civilised. Not that that's a good thing. The day our away support completely turns into perfectly behaved family friendly happy clappers is the day I fvck it off for good.

Pretty much sums up this thread. Looking forward to the sequel where we hear of your day out at Tesco :laugh:

[LCFC-ARAB]

I did the same at your age. I am not arguing against designated seating and standing areas but until they exist in law then my point remains that those who sit should have their rights respected.

they do have their rights respected

if people want to sit they go to the front, if people want to stand they go to the back

the only time trouble occurs is when you get a sitter trying to go to the back or a stander trying to go to the front

if someone wants to sit at football they will be able to sit, they can ask a steward and they will help them

if a stander wants to stand and ask a steward to move them they will probably get kicked out

[unreachable]

I find it uncomfortable to sit, I'm quite tall have long legs, quite horrible for my leg to be cramped behind seats, at the WS I sit on the edge of the row so can swing my legs out.

Surely it's my "human rights" encompasses common courtesy to people who find it uncomfortable to sit.

You have found a comfortable way to sit and view the match so I don't see you point.

[unreachable]

they do have their rights respected

if people want to sit they go to the front, if people want to stand they go to the back

the only time trouble occurs is when you get a sitter trying to go to the back or a stander trying to go to the front

if someone wants to sit at football they will be able to sit, they can ask a steward and they will help them

if a stander wants to stand and ask a steward to move them they will probably get kicked out

Why should I have to negotiate with stewards where to sit and move around? It is not always possible as at Leeds United on Boxing Day last year. Constant disruption with people standing and stewards wading in. It was a distraction to watching the match.

[Matt]

You have found a comfortable way to sit and view the match so I don't see you point.

At home, In my seat.

What about at away games?

1) The TO no doubt don't know what the edge of the row is.

2) I don't think i'd get an end seat if I asked for one.

3) I prefer to stand...Respect my right.

[Guest claude_leic]

Sitting/Standing at the end of the day does not make a difference, as proved by Derby and Forest away. Forest and Derby the ****** were forced to stand, but they still did not sing. It was extremely stale in our end at Forest even before we went 1 nil down. At the end of the day its the type of people who go to away games. At Leicester we have a lot of older people and women who go to away games. Therefore as a young person who wants a good atmposhere i will never really be satisfied. However when im older and have moved on, i might be grateful for the way it is. Our support is failry similar to WBA and Derby, we could have good away support, however a large contingent of our away supporters are not bothered about atmosphere. However teams like Coventry, Cardiff, Swansea theri support is domainated by people wanting to create an atmosphere. The situation is irriversable L1 is the best place now.

[davieG]

It worked because the Kop was restricted to 90% capacity, which I've been told you need to do in order to offer unreserved seating. The current attitude, certainly for home games, is that the club wants the potential to make revenue from 100% capacity.

There are also other concerns in that it is far easier to get from one part of the WS to another. If a section of the ground was allocated unreserved, the club would not be able to control people buying tickets for an area that has not sold out, should the unreserved bit be sold out, from migrating once inside the stadium. The easiest area to have unreserved area is the North Stand, where you would just need to block the section in the West Stand corner, however the SAG would not agree to this move.

What other teams do with their away sections isn't for our club to decide.

First of all, most people advocating the return of terracing appreciate the right of others to sit at games. Hence the campaign group StandUpSitDown. At the moment, both types of supporters are unhappy. The aim is to introduce safe standing areas so that those who want to sit can do so, in peace (not a dig at their support).

Secondly, human rights are there to prevent fundamental principles that encapsulate society. They do not protect any right, perceived or real, to stand or sit at a football game. It's like those stupid stories that only ever make the front pages of certain papers when a prisoner stupidly argues their right to a PS3, or whatever. We never hear the outcome of the court case, and that's because they are thrown out of court (the argument, not the prisoner).

Thirdly, the Hillsborough Disaster was caused by a number of factors. Tragic as it was, it happened at a time when the authorities were looking for a way of controlling football fans, and one of the easiest is by using all seater stadia (apparently). I am pretty certain that the Taylor Report referred to this, I do remember reading something along those lines at the time.

Not sure I get the argument there as people can and do migrate with reserved seating, I certainly have done.

[Edmund]

BAN OUR OWN FANS

[unreachable]

At home, In my seat.

What about at away games?

1) The TO no doubt don't know what the edge of the row is.

2) I don't think i'd get an end seat if I asked for one.

3) I prefer to stand...Respect my right.

I prefer to sit. Respect my right. I am abiding by the law and the Ground regulations and you are not.

[C-man]

I seen SamL giving it large to someone yesterday he was not happy.

He wasn't the only one. The bloke it was aimed at was a disgrace. The guy told us to 'shut the fvck up' because we were '2-0 down'

We weren't swearing or booing the team, and we weren't forcing anyone to stand or impeding anyone's view, yet he repeatedly told us to shut it because we were being 'too loud'. Wow.

Fair enough we were well tanked up but we weren't trouble making or in any way abusive. Well, except to Mattock.

People talk about the rights of fans all the time. With regards to noise and ignoring standing, is the right to peace and quiet for some now more important than someone else's right to constantly sing? What right did he have to make us feel guilty for having a good time? Unbelievable.

All in all though I thought our support was half decent last night. Particularly in the last 20.

As for safe standing we're nowhere near getting it.

Maybe not, but we're a hell of a lot closer than we were 5 or 6 years ago.

Eventually we'll get there. (as long as we don't win the World Cup bid)

[Guest]

My use of the expression "human rights" encompasses common courtesy to people who find it uncomfortable to stand. I wasn't advocating instructed lawyers and going to the European Court of Human Rights.

I repeat why should the right of those who sit and abide by the law and Ground Regulations be overriden. I haven't heard a decent argument yet.

Our courts have jurisdiction to hear HR cases

It isn't actually illegal to stand at football matches. There is no law, just the regulations. If you are arrested, you're arrested for something like drunk and disorderly, or a public order offence, not for the offence of standing. Regulations mean that you can be ejected for standing, however those rules are so inconsistently applied throughout the football world, is it any wonder fans push their luck.

If you're going to be this pedantic about standing, then what about those taking photos and videos during the game? That breaks ground regulations, and is also a copyright infringement. That's very much illegal. Do you want those people arrested and charged too?

As long as those who want to stand can move to a section among like minded fans, and those who want to sit can do so away from the standers, I don't really see what the problem is. My response to davieG about unreserved seating isn't me being negative; I've asked the club several times to reintroduce it, and it's the response I've been given.

If I stand at a game, I do so where I know I won't upset a non-stander wherever possible. By that, I mean if I have to stand because everyone in front of me is standing, I will do so, even it means someone behind is made to stand whether they like it or not. However I will sit down, if I have to, or move to an area that is standing, if this is possible. I hope that clarifies things, as in my experience, most people that stand try and do the same thing.

My main aim is to get involved politically with football, and campaign properly for standing sections away from seats, but in the mean time, the only way I can protest and get my feelings across is to physically stand. I haven't been asked by any representative at any football club to stop this, so I shall continue to do so, exercising as much courtesy as I possibly can in the circumstances.

[Guest]

Not sure I get the argument there as people can and do migrate with reserved seating, I certainly have done.

Which is why reserved seating isn't the answer. It's also the reason I have to show my ST to at least 3 sets of stewards before I get to my seat in L1.

And an unreserved area of seating is going to attract a hell of a lot more fans to it than a reserved section.

Believe me, I'm on your side davie, but as far as the FCC is concerned, I'm on my own!

[lcfc"weasel"]

Can I ask a person who sits when one person has meant that they have to stand. However, I have, on many occasions, had one person force me to sit through the whole game, thoroughly reducing my enjoyment.

[Kilworthfox]

Which is why reserved seating isn't the answer. It's also the reason I have to show my ST to at least 3 sets of stewards before I get to my seat in L1.

And an unreserved area of seating is going to attract a hell of a lot more fans to it than a reserved section.

Believe me, I'm on your side davie, but as far as the FCC is concerned, I'm on my own!

If that is the case the FCC's microcosum of support is almost hand picked to get the answers the club wish to hear then?

[unreachable]

Can you deal with the point raised in one of my earlier posts where my enjoyment of the Leeds United away match was spoilt by constant arguments between those standing and the stewards?

The fact remains that it is not necessary to stand to enjoy a football match and to spoil it for others is not fair or reasonable. If you cannot move elsewhere in a ground why should I have to stand?

No one on this thread seems to empathise with me particularly. If you think it is reasonable to spoil someone's enjoyment of a match when you don't need to then I hate to think how you deal with the rest of your life.

I delight in my pedantry.

[davieG]

Which is why reserved seating isn't the answer. It's also the reason I have to show my ST to at least 3 sets of stewards before I get to my seat in L1.

And an unreserved area of seating is going to attract a hell of a lot more fans to it than a reserved section.

Believe me, I'm on your side davie, but as far as the FCC is concerned, I'm on my own!

Sitting in the cheapest seats no one has ever asked to see my ST but then who'd want to sneak in there. I've snuck into the Kop occasionally but never had to show my ticket.

I appreciate that an unreserved seating area would need to be blocked off but surely that's not beyond the wit of man or woman but then I know none of this is down to the means but the lack of will!

[lcfc"weasel"]

Can you deal with the point raised in one of my earlier posts where my enjoyment of the Leeds United away match was spoilt by constant arguments between those standing and the stewards?

The fact remains that it is not necessary to stand to enjoy a football match and to spoil it for others is not fair or reasonable. If you cannot move elsewhere in a ground why should I have to stand?

No one on this thread seems to empathise with me particularly. If you think it is reasonable to spoil someone's enjoyment of a match when you don't need to then I hate to think how you deal with the rest of your life.

I delight in my pedancy.

Why should I have to sit?

[Guest claude_leic]

Unreachable is clearly someone who contributes to the "buzzing" atmopshere experienced at of our away games

[unreachable]

Why should I have to sit?

Because the Ground Regulations require you to do so on Health and Safety and Public Order grounds.

[unreachable]

Unreachable is clearly someone who contributes to the "buzzing" atmopshere experienced at our away games **

Deal with the arguments not personal abuse.

[Kilworthfox]

Can you deal with the point raised in one of my earlier posts where my enjoyment of the Leeds United away match was spoilt by constant arguments between those standing and the stewards?

The fact remains that it is not necessary to stand to enjoy a football match and to spoil it for others is not fair or reasonable. If you cannot move elsewhere in a ground why should I have to stand?

No one on this thread seems to empathise with me particularly. If you think it is reasonable to spoil someone's enjoyment of a match when you don't need to then I hate to think how you deal with the rest of your life.

I delight in my pedancy.

I went to the same game & had to sit because of my designated seat (I was placed at the front in the bottom section so i could not get to the top teir or cheesewedge), & there were children & I am not thoughtless! So it really spoilt my enjoyment as there was no atmosphere & I could not get involved with any banter or stand with my friends.

There is another side of that coin you know.

[lcfc"weasel"]

Because the Ground Regulations require you to do so on Health and Safety and Public Order grounds.

Hardly, seeing as though I have stood at every away game i have been to this year without once being asked by a steward to sit down, it's hardly enforced is it