Leicester City Away Fans

[leicester1993]

And with all the "everyone must sit down, congratulate the opposistion on superb play and sing church songs at football games" we wonder why proper football is dying- to be replaced with a non-contact money-maker...

If you dont like it, sod off to the opera house!

[Daggers]

In yesterday's example, it was the other way round. The bloke was having a pop at me for making 'too much noise'.

He was going mental - I've no idea why he didn't move.

There again, there were shedloads of seats behind him to stand in too.

[Tommeh]

Yesterday in my opinion was great, before even during and after just goes to show opinions differ, the fox travel folk seem to moan whilst lads have a decent time. I stood 3 rows up on the upper bit 1st half a couple sitters behind me but they didn't say anything and I honestly wouldn't have done anything if they had. 2nd half further back and it was about 6 of us in front of 4 seats.

People drink, go to the match and let off steam I won't tell anyone to sing stand up etc. as long as they don't ask me to stop swearing, sit down and the like.

Oh and whilst complaining about drunk fans, people should know that I know 2 nicked yesterday 1 taken out at half time and they were dumped in vans full of Leicester and their only crime all of them....having a few pints.

If our away support was made up of the folk from the first 10 rows then it's pretty simple I'd have stopped going a long time ago, very thankful to the lads who come and like to have a good time no matter what the result, Sheff United April 08 anyone?

[john_lcfc]

I was down the front and had some family disabled type behind me, so moved and stood in the second half.

I find it frankly embarrassing that we have so many supporters prepared to go all that way and sit down in silence, utter ****** as far as im concerned and I know plenty of people who rightly or wrongly give them a gob full. Its a shame cos we also have so many good fans, prepared to get behind the team. It will always lead to confrontation when its a split though.

[Guest claude_leic]

I dont see why all these ****** intend on going to every game. Football has another side to it, its about being proud of where you are from, having banter and a laugh. I dont get why these ****** travel the length of the country to see, lets be honest average football. The only reason there can be for it, is they have nothing else in their life. Home games offer family fun, however away games should be about vocul support.

[john_lcfc]

plenty of other teams away supports look superb and all stand. we are capable of it, its just frustrating when family types turn up and are intent on spoiling the fun... having said that yesterday it was easy to move and many did with the back half standing throughout!!

[Kilworthfox]

Yesterday in my opinion was great, before even during and after just goes to show opinions differ, the fox travel folk seem to moan whilst lads have a decent time. I stood 3 rows up on the upper bit 1st half a couple sitters behind me but they didn't say anything and I honestly wouldn't have done anything if they had. 2nd half further back and it was about 6 of us in front of 4 seats.

People drink, go to the match and let off steam I won't tell anyone to sing stand up etc. as long as they don't ask me to stop swearing, sit down and the like.

Oh and whilst complaining about drunk fans, people should know that I know 2 nicked yesterday 1 taken out at half time and they were dumped in vans full of Leicester and their only crime all of them....having a few pints.

If our away support was made up of the folk from the first 10 rows then it's pretty simple I'd have stopped going a long time ago, very thankful to the lads who come and like to have a good time no matter what the result, Sheff United April 08 anyone?

Awesome days for the vocal support

[Daggers]

its about being proud of where you are from

Hoo-yah.

Pvt. Kempes, 71st Swan & Rushes.

When are we going over the top, sir?

Oh - I see you already have.

[Koke]

You can take it anyway you like kid....

[Shrenchel]

Yesterday in my opinion was great, before even during and after just goes to show opinions differ, the fox travel folk seem to moan whilst lads have a decent time. I stood 3 rows up on the upper bit 1st half a couple sitters behind me but they didn't say anything and I honestly wouldn't have done anything if they had. 2nd half further back and it was about 6 of us in front of 4 seats.

People drink, go to the match and let off steam I won't tell anyone to sing stand up etc. as long as they don't ask me to stop swearing, sit down and the like.

Oh and whilst complaining about drunk fans, people should know that I know 2 nicked yesterday 1 taken out at half time and they were dumped in vans full of Leicester and their only crime all of them....having a few pints.

If our away support was made up of the folk from the first 10 rows then it's pretty simple I'd have stopped going a long time ago, very thankful to the lads who come and like to have a good time no matter what the result, Sheff United April 08 anyone?

Any of your mates actually get charged? I'm sure you might already know but tell them to get in contact with the FSF if they're facing bans or whatever. They've got links with a team of solicitors that are more than happy to help out any football fan in the leaky brown stuff for something that the plod wouldn't bother two fvcks with in everyday life.

West Midlands plod are the worst force around, they're the only real hooligans left in the midlands. Year on year football fans get more well behaved but year on year they find more trivial shit to shift lads in for.

[marbelladave]

I read this thread last night, with mounting astonishment and some sadness.

I love to watch football from unrestricted terracing, where you can meet up with your mates, gravitate towards fans of a similar persuasion and chant and sing yourself hoarse if that is your preference. Those fans of a less boisterous nature can easily move to the fringes of such groups where they can soak up the atmosphere and join in the chanting / singing to whatever degree they are comfortable with. Sadly at our level of football, those days are long gone.

Modern stadia are designed / rebuilt as all seater arenas and are manifestly unsuited for fans who want to stand. As I have explained elsewhere I feel physically uncomfortable standing in areas with seats but more importantly the lack of any kind of distinction between areas where people can stand and where people prefer to sit is the root of the problem. Mixing the two together in the same area is invariably a source of friction whether it be fan v fan, fan v steward or even fan v police and this kind of confrontational atmosphere generally ruins the whole experience of going to a game.

The suggestion that in some areas of the ground (L1 and the Kop in the main) fans should 'expect' to stand is, frankly, ludicrous. The authorities simple can not allow areas of the stadium to become de facto standing areas, that goes against all current thinking and regulation. While this remains the case there will always be friction between those wishing to stand and those wishing to sit. Furthermore the suggestion that people who wish to sit should go to the front so that people can stand at the back is equally wrong headed, many people, myself included prefer the view from higher up in the stand and purchase tickets accordingly, being forced to stand or worse move to seats at the front is just plain wrong.

Whilst the current rules and regulations apply, it is clearly the fans who stand who are in the wrong. All fans buy tickets in the full knowledge that they are required to be seated and accept those conditions by the act of purchasing their ticket. Going to the game determined to stand is the kind of action that the police can easily interpret as 'actions likely to cause a breach of the peace' and quite frankly causes trouble for everyone.

I am not, for one moment saying that that standing is wrong, just that in the current (ridiculous) circumstances where no provision is made for standing, it is a cause of friction and trouble, many fans do not like being forced to stand but feel unable to say anything due to the torrent of abuse, and sometimes worse, that they receive if they speak up.

I strongly support those groups campaigning for a return to standing and while I do not much like the arrangement where fans stand in rows with individual crash barriers it is clear that many fans favour this solution so I happily give it my support. The only reason that the authorities are against such arrangements are that they loose some of the control over fans that they currently have, there are no health and safety issues whatsoever.

Sorry to go on at such length but this is an important issue that goes to the core of the future of our game and needs to be debated properly, without name calling and posturing whichever side of the divide you are on.

[Nick]

If you'd seen him spilling all his Thai food down his front yesterday then you'd appreciate it

Lies, damn lies!

[davieG]

I read this thread last night, with mounting astonishment and some sadness.

I love to watch football from unrestricted terracing, where you can meet up with your mates, gravitate towards fans of a similar persuasion and chant and sing yourself hoarse if that is your preference. Those fans of a less boisterous nature can easily move to the fringes of such groups where they can soak up the atmosphere and join in the chanting / singing to whatever degree they are comfortable with. Sadly at our level of football, those days are long gone.

Modern stadia are designed / rebuilt as all seater arenas and are manifestly unsuited for fans who want to stand. As I have explained elsewhere I feel physically uncomfortable standing in areas with seats but more importantly the lack of any kind of distinction between areas where people can stand and where people prefer to sit is the root of the problem. Mixing the two together in the same area is invariably a source of friction whether it be fan v fan, fan v steward or even fan v police and this kind of confrontational atmosphere generally ruins the whole experience of going to a game.

The suggestion that in some areas of the ground (L1 and the Kop in the main) fans should 'expect' to stand is, frankly, ludicrous. The authorities simple can not allow areas of the stadium to become de facto standing areas, that goes against all current thinking and regulation. While this remains the case there will always be friction between those wishing to stand and those wishing to sit. Furthermore the suggestion that people who wish to sit should go to the front so that people can stand at the back is equally wrong headed, many people, myself included prefer the view from higher up in the stand and purchase tickets accordingly, being forced to stand or worse move to seats at the front is just plain wrong.

Whilst the current rules and regulations apply, it is clearly the fans who stand who are in the wrong. All fans buy tickets in the full knowledge that they are required to be seated and accept those conditions by the act of purchasing their ticket. Going to the game determined to stand is the kind of action that the police can easily interpret as 'actions likely to cause a breach of the peace' and quite frankly causes trouble for everyone.

I am not, for one moment saying that that standing is wrong, just that in the current (ridiculous) circumstances where no provision is made for standing, it is a cause of friction and trouble, many fans do not like being forced to stand but feel unable to say anything due to the torrent of abuse, and sometimes worse, that they receive if they speak up.

I strongly support those groups campaigning for a return to standing and while I do not much like the arrangement where fans stand in rows with individual crash barriers it is clear that many fans favour this solution so I happily give it my support. The only reason that the authorities are against such arrangements are that they loose some of the control over fans that they currently have, there are no health and safety issues whatsoever.

Sorry to go on at such length but this is an important issue that goes to the core of the future of our game and needs to be debated properly, without name calling and posturing whichever side of the divide you are on.

That's all fine and logical Dave but if everybody did as you suggest and sits then the authorities would take the view that everyone was happy with the current regulations. It seems to me that a big part of standing is also a protest against those regulations and the longer it goes on and the more people that stand in public disobedience the greater, although still a long shot the chance of convincing the authorities that change is necessary.

That being the case people have to learn to live within the situation and offer a bit of give and take. Like you though the name calling is outrageous and to call a fellow fan disabled because they are prepared to pay their money, travel the road and choose to sit and watch the game without singing or standing is totally unacceptable. As they appear to be the majority then those doing the name calling should realise that without these '******' we probably wouldn't have an LCFC.

[OzFox]

Sorry to go on at such length but this is an important issue that goes to the core of the future of our game and needs to be debated properly, without name calling and posturing whichever side of the divide you are on.

Funny how Nick's orginal post was about abusive dicks among our away support, and now we have a thread with a decent supply of abusive dicks. Anyone disagreeing with the "right to stand" is now a "disabled" and should sit down the front or not turn up at all. Nice.

[Guest Mee-9]

Yesterday in my opinion was great, before even during and after just goes to show opinions differ, the fox travel folk seem to moan whilst lads have a decent time. I stood 3 rows up on the upper bit 1st half a couple sitters behind me but they didn't say anything and I honestly wouldn't have done anything if they had. 2nd half further back and it was about 6 of us in front of 4 seats.

People drink, go to the match and let off steam I won't tell anyone to sing stand up etc. as long as they don't ask me to stop swearing, sit down and the like.

Oh and whilst complaining about drunk fans, people should know that I know 2 nicked yesterday 1 taken out at half time and they were dumped in vans full of Leicester and their only crime all of them....having a few pints.

If our away support was made up of the folk from the first 10 rows then it's pretty simple I'd have stopped going a long time ago, very thankful to the lads who come and like to have a good time no matter what the result, Sheff United April 08 anyone?

I went on Fox travel, and had a great day out. On Coach 4, it seemed mostly like lads my age which was decent. There was no moaning at all on our coach.

I sat in row F, and besides the odd tit, it was pretty decent.

[OzFox]

That being the case people have to learn to live within the situation and offer a bit of give and take.

Sounds sensible, although I haven't experienced much "giving" from the aforementioned abusive dicks.

[C-man]

Sounds sensible, although I haven't experienced much "giving" from the aforementioned abusive dicks.

Just out of interest, what of our current away suppport have you experienced, living in Sydney?

Oh, and what makes an 'abusive dick'?

[OzFox]

Just out of interest, what of our current away suppport have you experienced, living in Sydney?

Oh, and what makes an 'abusive dick'?

These days, three or four games a year which isn't bad going, considering.

Abusive dick? Anyone who is more intent on swearing/being agressive to impress his mates than he is on watching the game. Like I said before, there's been a few over the years

[Fosse Boy]

Re: the absolute carp near me, SamL and C-Man.

I honestly couldn't believe my ears when he called a steward to tell no more than a dozen of us to shut up. What was that meant to achieve? Was he also intending to turn round to all the rows behind him who were singing despite what was happening on the pitch and tell them to be quiet too?

As for his kid having a go at me, saying "why are you still singing? We're 2-0 down." I absolutely despair.

Leicester abusing Leicester is not big or clever, but in this case I feel we had every right to tell this mug and his mongy offspring where to go.

SamL, I think you should get plastered at more away games mate. Superb rant.

[C-man]

These days, three or four games a year which isn't bad going, considering.

Abusive dick? Anyone who is more intent on swearing/being agressive to impress his mates than he is on watching the game. Like I said before, there's been a few over the years

3/4 games a season's top.

That's a fair assessment. But there's a massive difference between an 'abusive dick' and someone who wants to stand to augment their enjoyment of the match.

Personally, it's in my interest both in the short and long term for our away support to stand en masse. If that upsets a few people and makes me selfish then fair enough. I'm willing to accept this if the people who govern football eventually sit up and take stock that something needs to be done.

I'd just like to make clear that I'm not saying that I completely disregard the wishes of others when I go to games. I stand at the back (or where ever the people off here are stood), if my seat is in front of a group who wish to sit.

[OzFox]

3/4 games a season's top.

That's a fair assessment. But there's a massive difference between an 'abusive dick' and someone who wants to stand to augment their enjoyment of the match.

Personally, it's in my interest both in the short and long term for our away support to stand en masse. If that upsets a few people and makes me selfish then fair enough. I'm willing to accept this if the people who govern football eventually sit up and take stock that something needs to be done.

I'd just like to make clear that I'm not saying that I completely disregard the wishes of others when I go to games. I stand at the back (or where ever the people off here are stood), if my seat is in front of a group who wish to sit.

Like DavieG says...give and take. It's common sense.

I've got no problem with people standing and creating atmosphere, I just don't like being put in a position where I'm forced to stand if I don't want to (especially after a long flight).

my "abusive dick" comment is a reaction to the people on here bandying around terms like "disabled" to anyone that doesn't agree with their opinion. I suspect they are the people I'd rather not sit next to at games

[marbelladave]

That's all fine and logical Dave but if everybody did as you suggest and sits then the authorities would take the view that everyone was happy with the current regulations. It seems to me that a big part of standing is also a protest against those regulations and the longer it goes on and the more people that stand in public disobedience the greater, although still a long shot the chance of convincing the authorities that change is necessary.

That being the case people have to learn to live within the situation and offer a bit of give and take. Like you though the name calling is outrageous and to call a fellow fan disabled because they are prepared to pay their money, travel the road and choose to sit and watch the game without singing or standing is totally unacceptable. As they appear to be the majority then those doing the name calling should realise that without these '******' we probably wouldn't have an LCFC.

Sorry Davie but there are other ways of making your point other than alienating fellow fans, I understand the frustration and also the satisfaction gained by taking direct action but at what cost?

I have seen occasions where some supporters have actually applauded the ejection of standing fans who have become abusive and this is divisive and not in the interests of the club or it's fans.

As for 'give and take', there is none. While some fans continue to believe that the rules only apply to other people the situation will only become more fractious and the relatively lenient attitude afforded by the club to those who stand towards the back and behave reasonably responsibly will disappear and you will get no support from other fans who will, by now, consider you to be a pain in the ass.

[Tommeh]

Any of your mates actually get charged? I'm sure you might already know but tell them to get in contact with the FSF if they're facing bans or whatever. They've got links with a team of solicitors that are more than happy to help out any football fan in the leaky brown stuff for something that the plod wouldn't bother two fvcks with in everyday life.

West Midlands plod are the worst force around, they're the only real hooligans left in the midlands. Year on year football fans get more well behaved but year on year they find more trivial shit to shift lads in for.

Both let off with cautions they're only crime was attempting to enter a sports venue pissed up.

One as I said was taken at h/t the may have been related to a few of us getting thrown out of a pub in Brum at 4ish and them reporting him and picked up at the ground. As he had it off with the bouncers in the street. All that for singing a few Momo Sylla and Richie Wellens songs.

The police we spoke to were pretty helpful after telling us where he'd been taken as we didn't want to leave him, was a good 2 miles from the ground to OB station so half went half went back. He returned to Leicester gone 11.

[davieG]

Sorry Davie but there are other ways of making your point other than alienating fellow fans, I understand the frustration and also the satisfaction gained by taking direct action but at what cost?

I have seen occasions where some supporters have actually applauded the ejection of standing fans who have become abusive and this is divisive and not in the interests of the club or it's fans.

As for 'give and take', there is none. While some fans continue to believe that the rules only apply to other people the situation will only become more fractious and the relatively lenient attitude afforded by the club to those who stand towards the back and behave reasonably responsibly will disappear and you will get no support from other fans who will, by now, consider you to be a pain in the ass.

Do you think all this animosity would suddenly disappear if those that currently stand were forced to sit?

You can't change people's views or attitudes by forcing them to behave in a way that they feel is wrong and discriminatory. Our history is full of situations were people have had no choice but to show public disobedience, and let's face it 1000s of people stand at sporting events all over the country without any problem in order to generate change.

It's a bad and discriminatory law/regulation that is causing problems rather than solving them.

Oh and other peaceful ways have been tried and are being tried but they fall on deaf ears.

[marbelladave]

3/4 games a season's top.

That's a fair assessment. But there's a massive difference between an 'abusive dick' and someone who wants to stand to augment their enjoyment of the match.

Personally, it's in my interest both in the short and long term for our away support to stand en masse. If that upsets a few people and makes me selfish then fair enough. I'm willing to accept this if the people who govern football eventually sit up and take stock that something needs to be done.

I'd just like to make clear that I'm not saying that I completely disregard the wishes of others when I go to games. I stand at the back (or where ever the people off here are stood), if my seat is in front of a group who wish to sit.

This is a perfectly reasonable attitude providing those who wish to sit are reasonably accommodated, however when a dispute does occur it is those standing who are in the wrong and it is they who need to move.

Living in London I get to as many away games as I do at home, probably around 30-35 this season and choose to sit away from our traveling support often with opposition supporters. Partly this is done to get seats better than those offered in the away section and although I miss being with fellow supportes I am not at all bothered to be far away from the handfull of idiots who have been variously described as 'dickheads'.