Guest Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 If that is the case the FCC's microcosum of support is almost hand picked to get the answers the club wish to hear then? Well, not exactly, as I don't always toe the line. When the club advertised for members to join up, they didn't get much response from the younger generation. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you want to get involved, contact Tom Bettles. If you can't get on the FCC, then ask to go to one meeting. It worked for another forum member on here, and I can't speak for him, but I hope he'll back me up on this subject the next time it rears it's ugly head. Can you deal with the point raised in one of my earlier posts where my enjoyment of the Leeds United away match was spoilt by constant arguments between those standing and the stewards? The fact remains that it is not necessary to stand to enjoy a football match and to spoil it for others is not fair or reasonable. If you cannot move elsewhere in a ground why should I have to stand? No one on this thread seems to empathise with me particularly. If you think it is reasonable to spoil someone's enjoyment of a match when you don't need to then I hate to think how you deal with the rest of your life. I delight in my pedancy. No I can't deal with that point because as I've explained, I would like to think of myself as one of the more courteous standers. Consequently, I am not advocating spoiling anyone's day. If you've read what I've put properly, you will see it's the last thing I want to do. I will defend standing, and I will defend the desire to introduce some kind of safe standing, or compromise. I can't tell you why certain individuals will do what they want regardless of everyone else.
kimbell Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 I think we have "Gone" we have reinvented ourselves so many time to cover the fact that there is a basic lack of goals in the side, Dyer has been the catalyst for nearly everything going forward all season! We look wooden and robotic as we have many times this season, I point the finger firmly at Oakley= 0 goals Wellens=0 goals, Kermorgant= 0 goals , Howard= 3 goals, for there lack of goals this season. Lloyd Dyer (who's injury at WBA looked bad) and Martyn Waghorn have been absolute "STARS" but sorry to say I fear there fantastic efforts will be in vain.
Kilworthfox Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Well, not exactly, as I don't always toe the line. When the club advertised for members to join up, they didn't get much response from the younger generation. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you want to get involved, contact Tom Bettles. If you can't get on the FCC, then ask to go to one meeting. It worked for another forum member on here, and I can't speak for him, but I hope he'll back me up on this subject the next time it rears it's ugly head. No I can't deal with that point because as I've explained, I would like to think of myself as one of the more courteous standers. Consequently, I am not advocating spoiling anyone's day. If you've read what I've put properly, you will see it's the last thing I want to do. I will defend standing, and I will defend the desire to introduce some kind of safe standing, or compromise. I can't tell you why certain individuals will do what they want regardless of everyone else. There is no sympathy within this thread from seated fans towards the views of the standers, however, Standers want the change so that they do not continue to inconvienience the seated fans!
unreachable Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Totally off the point but none of the teams chasing us won today. I'm off down the pub to spread my dullness.
Guest Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Sitting in the cheapest seats no one has ever asked to see my ST but then who'd want to sneak in there. I've snuck into the Kop occasionally but never had to show my ticket. I appreciate that an unreserved seating area would need to be blocked off but surely that's not beyond the wit of man or woman but then I know none of this is down to the means but the lack of will! You'd be surprised. I could get from N block into L, no problem, although the last part would be down to my female whiles and youthful appearance In terms of unreserved seating, if there's the possibility of a full house, we aren't going to get it.
Bert Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 The only problem I have is people who moan about other people being in their seats, but it's ok for them to do it. This happened last season, (not to me) and these said people who were in the persons seat that I'm referring too have moaned about other people being in their seats this season. People seem to forget that they're not whiter than white themselves.
flanimal Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Totally off the point but none of the teams chasing us won today. I'm off down the pub to spread my dullness. Agreed, pretty much all the results went ourr way to day. If Swansea can lose to Cardiff, that'd be much gladness.
Guest Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 There is no sympathy within this thread from seated fans towards the views of the standers, however, Standers want the change so that they do not continue to inconvienience the seated fans! I know Tom, but I've always been brought up to be reasonable and considerate. Did you know that last week I was told by some bloke I was a shining example of the youth today? "They're not all bad, and your parents must be so proud of you".
Guest Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 The only problem I have is people who moan about other people being in their seats, but it's ok for them to do it. This happened last season, (not to me) and these said people who were in the persons seat that I'm referring too have moaned about other people being in their seats this season. People seem to forget that they're not whiter than white themselves. You want to be on the train from Nottingham to Leicester when they haven't put the seat reservations out. An almost empty train, an almost identical seat next to the booked one, and people will almost come to blows about it!!
Sir Alex Ferguson Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 At the end of the day, if these people who 'embarrass' you at football matches didn't go, then there would be no atmousphere, no chanting, nothing. If there were no fans who chant, stand up etc. football matches would be come a boring spectacle and take away that special feeling of being at a match. At the end of the day i think you should grow up and remember you were young one day and enjoyed doing the exact thing...
Nick Posted 3 April 2010 Author Posted 3 April 2010 At the end of the day, if these people who 'embarrass' you at football matches didn't go, then there would be no atmousphere, no chanting, nothing. If there were no fans who chant, stand up etc. football matches would be come a boring spectacle and take away that special feeling of being at a match. At the end of the day i think you should grow up and remember you were young one day and enjoyed doing the exact thing... Just before I jump in and rip you to shreds - are you directing this post at me?
SamL Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 I seen SamL giving it large to someone yesterday he was not happy. He wasn't the only one. The bloke it was aimed at was a disgrace. The guy told us to 'shut the fvck up' because we were '2-0 down' We weren't swearing or booing the team, and we weren't forcing anyone to stand or impeding anyone's view, yet he repeatedly told us to shut it because we were being 'too loud'. Wow. Fair enough we were well tanked up but we weren't trouble making or in any way abusive. Well, except to Mattock. People talk about the rights of fans all the time. With regards to noise and ignoring standing, is the right to peace and quiet for some now more important than someone else's right to constantly sing? What right did he have to make us feel guilty for having a good time? Unbelievable. All in all though I thought our support was half decent last night. Particularly in the last 20. Maybe not, but we're a hell of a lot closer than we were 5 or 6 years ago. Eventually we'll get there. (as long as we don't win the World Cup bid) As a fan, I respect everybody's differing opinions on what exactly constitutes 'supporting your team'. After reading this thread, it seems that the majority of comments are aimed at those who obviously prefer to stand, but perhaps aren't respecting the wishes of those who prefer to sit. However, I believe that it should actually work both ways in which the wishes of those who do wish to stand should be respected. As Bert has quite rightly bought up, I was 'giving it large' to somebody behind my yesterday. The bloke obviously didn't want to stand, but had no choice but to do so because of others around him. Not once did I question his support or abuse him for his lack of vocal, yet he felt the need to abuse me for generally having a good time and backing my team vocally. None of us were causing any trouble, yet he felt the need to complain to a steward because we were being 'too loud'. As I said before, it should work both ways. I pay money to go to watch a football match, if everybody around me is standing then I believe that my wishes to join in should be respected. I didn't abuse him for not being vocal, yet I was in trouble for being 'too vocal'. The thing is, I was stood on a row with a few other lads who I know obviously have the same mindset as me, in that they want to both sing and stand. Despite this, I felt that I was picked on despite not being the only person involved.
Ilkeston_Fox Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 I seen SamL giving it large to someone yesterday he was not happy. Would this be the three/four lads with scarves half-ish way down? One turned round having a pop at someone behind him....
purpleronnie Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Can we just agree that most Leicester fans are boring feckers?
Sir Alex Ferguson Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Just before I jump in and rip you to shreds - are you directing this post at me? You can take it anyway you like kid....
unreachable Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 It beggars belief that the recommendations of the Taylor Report are dismissed by the standing enthusiasts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Report
SamL Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 It beggars belief that the recommendations of the Taylor Report are dismissed by the standing enthusiasts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Report Can you not just accept it that people have very differing opinions on the subject of standing. This isn't going to change no matter what any report says. If you want people to respect your wishes to sit, you have to understand the reasons as to why there are people who do wish to stand, and do everything you can possibly do to avoid being allocated a ticket in an area where people might stand. If you prefer to sit, ask for a ticket near the front.
Nick Posted 3 April 2010 Author Posted 3 April 2010 You can take it anyway you like kid.... Excellent. I'll take it as a retort to my initial post then, which complained only about people being aggressive dicks. Nothing to do with sitting, standing or chanting. I was embarrassed by aggression, violence, inappropriate behaviour and theft and being on the same video during this, filmed by the police. So on that basis you telling me firstly to grow up and secondly to remember when I was young is irrelevant nonsense. "Kid" ?
unreachable Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Can you not just accept it that people have very differing opinions on the subject of standing. This isn't going to change no matter what any report says. If you want people to respect your wishes to sit, you have to understand the reasons as to why there are people who do wish to stand, and do everything you can possibly do to avoid being allocated a ticket in an area where people might stand. If you prefer to sit, ask for a ticket near the front. I can't stop people holding different opinions to me but unless they have a rational basis I don't respect them. Why do you disagree with the recommendations of the Taylor Report?
davieG Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 It beggars belief that the recommendations of the Taylor Report are dismissed by the standing enthusiasts. http://en.wikipedia....i/Taylor_Report If it was seen essential to H&S then it would have applied to all stadia. Hillsboro' for all the heart ache pain it caused had relatively little to do with standing; The Taylor report was introduced to curb football hooliganism on the back of Hillsboro' and hooliganism happened irrespective of standing or sitting.
Webbo Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 If it was seen essential to H&S then it would have applied to all stadia. Hillsboro' for all the heart ache pain it caused had relatively little to do with standing; The Taylor report was introduced to curb football hooliganism on the back of Hillsboro' and hooliganism happened irrespective of standing or sitting. You can't deny that hooliganism has gone down hugely since the 70s and 80s.
SamL Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 I can't stop people holding different opinions to me but unless they have a rational basis I don't respect them. Why do you disagree with the recommendations of the Taylor Report? If it was seen essential to H&S then it would have applied to all stadia. Hillsboro' for all the heart ache pain it caused had relatively little to do with standing; The Taylor report was introduced to curb football hooliganism on the back of Hillsboro' and hooliganism happened irrespective of standing or sitting. My sentiments exactly davieG. If you used your common sense and requested a ticket nearer to the front, why should it matter to you whether people stand or not? Again, this is where the issue of Unreserved Seating comes into it. Yes there are problems with the idea, although perhaps the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Unreserved Seating could potentially help to please everybody. If you want to sit down move to the front, whereas those that wish to behave like 'mindless hooligans' can occupy themselves on the back rows. By doing this, it shouldn't matter to you what others are doing.
Sir Alex Ferguson Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Excellent. I'll take it as a retort to my initial post then, which complained only about people being aggressive dicks. Nothing to do with sitting, standing or chanting. I was embarrassed by aggression, violence, inappropriate behaviour and theft and being on the same video during this, filmed by the police. So on that basis you telling me firstly to grow up and secondly to remember when I was young is irrelevant nonsense. "Kid" ? So innapropriate behaviour isn't chanting abusive songs about Mattock or abusive songs towards the oppoisition fans...which apprently you liked!? Also how many times have you been to football matches and the police have video taped it!? Fans always complain about over zealous policing, it can often cause more problems.... and finally if you were that disgusted with the support of some people why didnt you move and sit somewhere else, it wasn't a sell out? and yeah ''Kid'' it's an expression some people use !!
unreachable Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 If it was seen essential to H&S then it would have applied to all stadia. Hillsboro' for all the heart ache pain it caused had relatively little to do with standing; The Taylor report was introduced to curb football hooliganism on the back of Hillsboro' and hooliganism happened irrespective of standing or sitting. Standing was relevant to the deaths caused that day - that's good enough for me.
SamL Posted 3 April 2010 Posted 3 April 2010 Standing was relevant to the deaths caused that day - that's good enough for me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if huge numbers of people flooded into a seated area, it's still a possibility that they could be crushed.
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