iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Best team won. Can't understand the moaning, thought from a neutral view that Howard Webb reffed it brilliantly.
Guest DavidJCW Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 I'd rather see three de Jong kung fu kicks than see players surround the ref, waving imaginary cards. The ref is there for a reason, he'll decide who to book and who not to book. It's pathetic, asking for the other team to be handicapped. Well the ref clearly did decide who to book as he didn't pay any attention to the Spanish players who were asking for the cards!!! Hence why so many Dutch players stayed on the field, rightly or wrongly! In all honesty, the air card-waving by the Spanish players may have actually dissuaded Webb from actually booking them or sending them off, so it may have helped the Dutch!!!
Guest DavidJCW Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 You sound like Alan Hansen Well I agreed with everything he was saying. Spain were brilliant, played excellent football, totally deserved to win. Holland were filthy, played awful football, didn't deserve to even get as close as they did to winning.
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 But ultimately Spain have been pretty damn good in their own way. Maybe it's not the way we've grown to know from them in the last few years, but they were incredible effective this tournament. Aside from the one moment against Paraguay when Cardozo missed his penalty it's never looked in doubt. Even after they lost their first match. They outclassed Portugal, outclassed the much-fancied Germans and did exatcly the same tonight against a Dutch side who disappointingly went against all morals to play a dirty game. In front of goal it's not what we'd all have liked to have seen, but Spain still get admiration from me for their game. Undoubted quality in all areas of the pitch, they work well as a unit and are unquestionably the best side in the world for me. Tonight just proved it once again. Disagree. Spain were unimpressive in many of their games. They looked anything but World Cup winners against Switzerland in their opener and deservedly lost, struggled against 10 Chileans, were dreadful against Paraguay and were in their way as cynical as the Dutch tonight in the worst final for 20 years. Diving, pressuring the referee, snide kicks at Dutch players, they pretty much got the full set. It was a match up between two very cynical, dirty teams who have the talent to do better. The only two teams they managed to find the net more than once against all tournament were an out-of-their-depth, Honduras and a Chile side that had been reduced to 10 men. Hardly entertaining stuff. When you consider the quality of their players, I'd argue that the unit actually adds up to less than the sum of its parts. Look at how Barcelona play with Xavi and Iniesta in the middle of the park, full on, genuinely great to watch attacking football. The only element of this they seem to retain when playing for Spain is the ball retention, the swashbuckling demolition of teams we've seen them do for Barca was never seen in South Africa. As for the Portugal and Germany games, I'd say they outclassed a Portugal side that is hugely overrated and has been for some time, hampered by the poor form and petulance of their captain and star turn. Germany is the one game in which Spain genuinely impressed me and they showed what they can do when they play to the best of their players abilities, but this was a young German side that will improve sooner rather than later. They were efficient, effective but very, very dull. Much more like the German sides of old than the Brazilian or Dutch Total Football sides of the 70s a ridiculously overexcited media has compared them to in my opinion.
Guest DavidJCW Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Another thing that really pisses me off is how everyone keeps going on about Germany being young and how they're the next team to go on and destroy everyone in their path... what a load of bollocks! England were said to have a 'Golden Era' in the last two World Cups and we failed, Brazil were being hailed at the start of this tournament and pretty much every one in history and have failed in the last two World Cups, the Holland team of the 80's I think it was was the best team to never win the cup... I could go on. All I'm trying to point out is that just because they're young and finished 3rd at this years World Cup doesn't mean shit next time round! Or indeed at Euro 2012...
Koke Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 They were efficient, effective but very, very dull. Much more like the German sides of old than the Brazilian or Dutch Total Football sides of the 70s a ridiculously overexcited media has compared them to in my opinion. Very much so. They were good, to be fair. But nothing spectacular. That's why it annoys me when media personalities jump on the "OMG Spain are so wonderful" bandwagon and start their dick sucking of Spain. They were a g good outfit, played decent football and were clearly the best side of the tournament. But entertaining? No way. Spain play a twisted Catenaccio version 2.0 - I call it Spanish Catenaccio. It works for them and some people find it entertaining, but not me. The best side is not always the most entertaining, and in this case Spain are the best side of the tournament but not the most entertaining.
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Another thing that really pisses me off is how everyone keeps going on about Germany being young and how they're the next team to go on and destroy everyone in their path... what a load of bollocks! England were said to have a 'Golden Era' in the last two World Cups and we failed, Brazil were being hailed at the start of this tournament and pretty much every one in history and have failed in the last two World Cups, the Holland team of the 80's I think it was was the best team to never win the cup... I could go on. All I'm trying to point out is that just because they're young and finished 3rd at this years World Cup doesn't mean shit next time round! Or indeed at Euro 2012... Except our young sides have never gone to a tournament, anally fisted two of the world's top 10 in successive games by scoring eight goals with only one in reply before being narrowly beaten by the side that went on to win it. The English equivalent would be Huddlestone, Sears and Sturridge forming part of an injury hit England team that did the same. Hardly likely is it? That just underlines the scale of the German achievement. The fact that they did so well should frankly scare Europe in Poland and Ukraine.
Bert Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Disagree. Spain were unimpressive in many of their games. They looked anything but World Cup winners against Switzerland in their opener and deservedly lost, struggled against 10 Chileans, were dreadful against Paraguay and were in their way as cynical as the Dutch tonight in the worst final for 20 years. Diving, pressuring the referee, snide kicks at Dutch players, they pretty much got the full set. It was a match up between two very cynical, dirty teams who have the talent to do better. The only two teams they managed to find the net more than once against all tournament were an out-of-their-depth, Honduras and a Chile side that had been reduced to 10 men. Hardly entertaining stuff. When you consider the quality of their players, I'd argue that the unit actually adds up to less than the sum of its parts. Look at how Barcelona play with Xavi and Iniesta in the middle of the park, full on, genuinely great to watch attacking football. The only element of this they seem to retain when playing for Spain is the ball retention, the swashbuckling demolition of teams we've seen them do for Barca was never seen in South Africa. As for the Portugal and Germany games, I'd say they outclassed a Portugal side that is hugely overrated and has been for some time, hampered by the poor form and petulance of their captain and star turn. Germany is the one game in which Spain genuinely impressed me and they showed what they can do when they play to the best of their players abilities, but this was a young German side that will improve sooner rather than later. They were efficient, effective but very, very dull. Much more like the German sides of old than the Brazilian or Dutch Total Football sides of the 70s a ridiculously overexcited media has compared them to in my opinion. A bit like your looooong posts that could be summed up in a much shorter way. You don't half talk a crock of shit. In every game they've played, they've had the better of the games. Shots, possesion, whatever. Slick one touch passing and making many chances when teams are just sticking everyone behind the ball and going out to kick you, yet still winning the whole thing after losing their first game? That's impressive to me. If it wasn't for some great goalkeeping and defending, combined with Robben wasting a glorius chance, Spain could easily have had 5.
Guest DavidJCW Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Except our young sides have never gone to a tournament, anally fisted two of the world's top 10 in successive games by scoring eight goals with only one in reply before being narrowly beaten by the side that went on to win it. The English equivalent would be Huddlestone, Sears and Sturridge forming part of an injury hit England team that did the same. Hardly likely is it? That just underlines the scale of the German achievement. The fact that they did so well should frankly scare Europe in Poland and Ukraine. Ah yes, the brilliant England who drew with the US, drew with Algeria and scraped past Slovenia... stunning win against us that was. We were awful in that game, played nothing like a top 10 team and North Korea would probably have done us with defending like that. As for Argentina, they were possibly the most overrated team in the entire tournament after their shambolic qualification! They looked dodgy at the back from the first game and any decent side would have shown them up. The only thing that they had to do to quash any Argentina hopes was to stop Messi... easy enough if you have 3 men on him every time he's on the ball. More representative of their quality was the win against Uruguay... and they only just won. EDIT: As for just losing to Spain... well I'd argue that Spain pretty much ran the show against them and SHOULD have won by more... but as was the case throughout the tournament with Spain, they got 1 and that was enough.
Koke Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Bilo is one of the most knowledgeable and intelligent posters on this forum. He knows what he is talking about. Spain were decent to watch overall. Not very exciting though.
Edmund Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 A bit like your looooong posts that could be summed up in a much shorter way. You don't half talk a crock of shit. Why don't you just put him on ignore instead of trolling him around the forum?
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 A bit like your looooong posts that could be summed up in a much shorter way. You don't half talk a crock of shit. Wouldn't it be easier to just, y'know, stick me on ignore rather than getting sand in your vagina over the length of my posts? If you read the post I was responding to you would have seen I was responding to a number of points, thus a short answer wasn't really appropriate.
Bert Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Why don't you just put him on ignore instead of trolling him around the forum? Perhaps because I don't want to. Bilo is one of the most knowledgeable and intelligent posters on this forum. He knows what he is talking about. Spain were decent to watch overall. Not very exciting though. I thought more of you. Maybe at a lot of other stuff, but not football.
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Ah yes, the brilliant England who drew with the US, drew with Algeria and scraped past Slovenia... stunning win against us that was. We were awful in that game, played nothing like a top 10 team and North Korea would probably have done us with defending like that. As for Argentina, they were possibly the most overrated team in the entire tournament after their shambolic qualification! They looked dodgy at the back from the first game and any decent side would have shown them up. The only thing that they had to do to quash any Argentina hopes was to stop Messi... easy enough if you have 3 men on him every time he's on the ball. More representative of their quality was the win against Uruguay... and they only just won. EDIT: As for just losing to Spain... well I'd argue that Spain pretty much ran the show against them and SHOULD have won by more... but as was the case throughout the tournament with Spain, they got 1 and that was enough. But that's my point. The very idea of a young, depleted England side doing that is laughable because the full strength version was so shit. Germany seemed to manage it alright though, which makes you wonder how good they'd be without the injuries and when their young players have a bit more experience. They have a huge future for me, great team of attacking players who will be like the Spain the media describes if they get that defence sorted.
Bert Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Wouldn't it be easier to just, y'know, stick me on ignore rather than getting sand in your vagina over the length of my posts? If you read the post I was responding to you would have seen I was responding to a number of points, thus a short answer wasn't really appropriate. Yet another HILARIOUS "joke". I'm not talking about that one post, which I posts. It's time to realise you're not the fucking don that you think you are, and before you say anything I don't think I am either. I just put my opinion across like you do.
C-man Posted 11 July 2010 Posted 11 July 2010 Farcical coverage from the BBC. Completely ignored the equally, in my opinion anyway, attritional on the eyes behaviour that the Spanish players displayed throughout the course. Fair enough the Dutch didn't particularly let Spain play and Howard Webb was indeed lenient at times on both sets of players but I found myself shouting at the screen more whenever I saw that cvnt Busquets and his merry gang of Barca bellends surround Webb and beg for cards to be shown at every opportunity than when van Bommel yet again escaped punishment for GBH. There is a lot to be admired about the Spanish team. The way they 'treat' the ball, never deviate from their ideal game plan and even defend well is a credit to the game but I can't bring myself to like them or even particularly enjoy the games in which they play. Congratulations to Spain but I thought the Netherlands deserved more respect than they seemed to receive tonight.
Edmund Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 did anyone see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCmz2ymM1qU&feature=player_embedded
The Doctor Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 some poor desicions by webb - the corner not being given which ended up leading to the goal, the fact that van bommel and de jong weren't sent off - and that was only in the first half hour & extra time. still Top Gear >>>> This match.
Bugg Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 did anyone see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCmz2ymM1qU&feature=player_embedded So, so close, gutting for him Haha after the second watch I noticed that he tries to put a cap on it
Edmund Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 So, so close, gutting for him Haha after the second watch I noticed that he tries to put a cap on it Yeah it's a little Spanish cap
lou Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 I won the world cup fantasy league thingy at work so was very happy Spain won Apart from that it was pretty shit
Wymsey Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 By the fack did the dutch penis fan lickers boo the English trio? I thought they were spot on despite a difficult match to officiate.
Alexikokopops Posted 12 July 2010 Posted 12 July 2010 Just to quash the myth of Spain's 'brilliance' at this World Cup, they're the lowest scorers ever to lift the trophy with eight goals scored. That's three less than England in 1966, who played one less game than Spain, and Brazil in 1994, who were slaughtered at home for their lack of goalscoring threat. They may retain the ball well but those who compare them to the greatest ever international sides ever to play the game are so far of the mark it's unreal. Why does a team have to score umpteen goals to be considered brilliant?
davieG Posted 12 July 2010 Author Posted 12 July 2010 Why does a team have to score umpteen goals to be considered brilliant? They also had the most shots by a team in the tournament 121 ( yes I know they played more games than most) In the final the had 17 shots (4 off / 13 on) to Netherlands 12 (4 off 7 on) From Yahoo Sports Tournament statistics. Player of tournament. Diego Forlan (Uruguay) Golden Boot winner as top scorer. Thomas Mueller (Germany) Young player of the tournament. Thomas Mueller (Germany) Best goalkeeper award. Iker Casillas (Spain) Fair play award. Spain Leading team scorers. 16 Germany Leading individual goalscorers. 5 Thomas Mueller (Germany) David Villa (Spain) Wesley Sneijder (Netherlands) Diego Forlan (Uruguay) Lowest team scorers. 0 Honduras Algeria Most goals conceeded by a team. 12 North Korea Most shots by a team in the tournament. 121 Spain Most shots by a player in the tournament. 33 Asamoah Gyan (Ghana) Most shots in a match. 49 Uruguay 1 Ghana 1 (after extra time, Uruguay won 4-2 on penalties) Lowest number of total shots by a team in the tournament. 15 New Zealand Lowest number of shots in a match. 12 Ivory Coast 0 Portugal 0 Most saves in the tournament. 24 Richard Kingson (Ghana) Most fouls by a team. 126 Netherlands Lowest number of fouls by a team. 26 North Korea Most fouls by a player in the tournament. 19 Keisuke Honda (Japan) Most fouls suffered by a player. 26 Andres Iniesta (Spain) Most fouls suffered by a team. 134 Spain Most fouls in a match. 55 Paraguay 0 Japan 0 (after extra time, Paraguay won 5-3 on penalties) Least fouls in a match. 13 Germany 4 England 1 Team with the most yellow cards. 22 Netherlands Team with the fewest yellow cards. 2 North Korea Most yellow cards in a match. 13 Spain 1 Netherlands 0 Most passes by a team. 3803 Spain Most passes by an individual. 669 Xavi (Spain) Fewest number of passes by a team. 663 New Zealand Number of goals in the tournament. 145 Number of yellow cards in the tournament. 246 Number of red cards in the tournament. 17 Only unbeaten side New Zealand (Editing by Patrick Johnston)
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