Immigration Cap

[Bellend Sebastian]

I'm feeling mischievous. Let's have a heated debate!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11338994

And no, it's not a sort of hat.

It boils down to the usual we-like-capitalism-but-only-when-it-suits-us sort of argument, I reckon

[Zingari]

Mr Cable said firms were considering moving jobs abroad because they could not recruit the staff they needed.

this is the sort of comment that anyone can say without any evidence to back it up ;

how can this short lived measure be to blame when the economy and industry has been in turmoil for years ?

[Trav Le Bleu]

I'm feeling mischievous. Let's have a heated debate!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11338994

And no, it's not a sort of hat.

It boils down to the usual we-like-capitalism-but-only-when-it-suits-us sort of argument, I reckon

Exactly! I didn't bother reading the article as it would probably only annoy me, but capitalism is reliant on the freedom of movement. Maybe if so many of us hadn't gone over there during the last 200 years, maybe they wouldn't be so eager to come over here. It makes me smile when "Americans" and "Australians" et al complain about immigrants.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I was on another forum and someone there that works for the immigration service was having to deal with an employer that was apparently incandescent with rage because they 'didn't want to employ an immigrant, but to employ an Australian'.

Presumably not a native one

[Zingari]

"some businesses could not bring in the skilled professional staff they needed to expand"

This in the same week they declare the UK's universities to be the best in the world.

What sort of skills are these businesses looking for that they can't find amongst UK graduates?

[Zingari]

I was on another forum and someone there that works for the immigration service was having to deal with an employer that was apparently incandescent with rage because they 'didn't want to employ an immigrant, but to employ an Australian'.

Presumably not a native one

yes, but in all fairness the job did involve fighting crocodiles and taking charge of the sheep dip

[Bellend Sebastian]

"some businesses could not bring in the skilled professional staff they needed to expand"

This in the same week they declare the UK's universities to be the best in the world.

What sort of skills are these businesses looking for that they can't find amongst UK graduates?

Well, I'm aware of a graduate that was recently 'let go' from their first position of employment for a number of reasons, and two of the skills they didn't have were making tea and washing up. They might have been brilliant at everything else, but if you haven't got the nous to give these things a go then I wouldn't be that confident about the rest of their skillset.

We've talked previously about graduates being foxed by the calculate ten per cent of 100 question that someone I know includes as part of the test for potential recruits to their firm.

So in short, anyone from abroad that knows that ten per cent of a hundred is ten and can make a nice cup of tea is at a big advantage

[Babylon]

We've talked previously about graduates being foxed by the calculate ten per cent of 100 question that someone I know includes as part of the test for potential recruits to their firm.

My boss (a graduate) asked me a few years ago what 10% of 100 was... I only stopped laughing last week.

[Zingari]

Well, I'm aware of a graduate that was recently 'let go' from their first position of employment for a number of reasons, and two of the skills they didn't have were making tea and washing up. They might have been brilliant at everything else, but if you haven't got the nous to give these things a go then I wouldn't be that confident about the rest of their skillset.

We've talked previously about graduates being foxed by the calculate ten per cent of 100 question that someone I know includes as part of the test for potential recruits to their firm.

So in short, anyone from abroad that knows that ten per cent of a hundred is ten and can make a nice cup of tea is at a big advantage

Maybe Vince Cable should get a law passed forcing these firms to train some of the 2.5million unemployed ( at least 10% of them , whatever that is )to do the jobs (including basic teamaking and washing up) . This is just wingeing by cheapskate employers. There is a training crisis in the UK brought about by private firms, and foreign workers won't solve it in the short or the long term.

come on Thracian , this could go down your street , where the fook are you ?

[davieG]

Having spent the best part of 15 years in both the private and public sectors in a engineering/construction training environment I can say without fear of contradiction that training and development is always the first and deepest budget to be cut.

Having said that I found it was is also the most wasted budget where training was perceived as vital when being demanded/booked by managers and yet was their lowest priority when it came to the person not going on the said course with managers themselves being the biggest culprits.

Training in organisations is rarely taken seriously.

Oh and the other most wasteful aspect it was insisted, in the interests of fairness and equality that every one should have a minimum number (plucked from who knows where) days of training per year even at the expense of those that really needed it.

A most frustration profession.

[Dr The Singh]

Where can you buy one of these immigration caps, hope they have them in blue!!

I'm all for immigration for the enbetterment of a nation, skills which this nations requires that are not CURRENTLY availble should be an invitation for those with those skills to come to the nation. Those with Skills which are not required, are not welcome!!!

The immigration cap is only on non eu personnel, the expansion of the eu and current drive from ue countries will always mean there will be an influx of people, but there will be a counter outflux. What the nation has to decide is whether the outflux matches the influx and what the consequences are of the influx!!!

[Zingari]

Where can you buy one of these immigration caps, hope they have them in blue!!

I'm all for immigration for the enbetterment of a nation, skills which this nations requires that are not CURRENTLY availble should be an invitation for those with those skills to come to the nation. Those with Skills which are not required, are not welcome!!!

The immigration cap is only on non eu personnel, the expansion of the eu and current drive from ue countries will always mean there will be an influx of people, but there will be a counter outflux. What the nation has to decide is whether the outflux matches the influx and what the consequences are of the influx!!!

what the flux are you going on about ?

[Dr The Singh]

Having spent the best part of 15 years in both the private and public sectors in a engineering/construction training environment I can say without fear of contradiction that training and development is always the first and deepest budget to be cut.

Having said that I found it was is also the most wasted budget where training was perceived as vital when being demanded/booked by managers and yet was their lowest priority when it came to the person not going on the said course with managers themselves being the biggest culprits.

Training in organisations is rarely taken seriously.

Oh and the other most wasteful aspect it was insisted, in the interests of fairness and equality that every one should have a minimum number (plucked from who knows where) days of training per year even at the expense of those that really needed it.

A most frustration profession.

The issue with training is that companies are becomming reluctant to train staff and instead hire skilled staff. Working for a growing company, staff including management have been superseeded by so called 'more skilled\qualified' staff, and very rarely have those individuals given the chance to upgrade there skills and duties to meet the company needs.

There could be various reasons for this, the cost of training, and risks involved, also the renumaration packages for those that are becomming more skilled or those that train and be skilled and look for adventures elsewhere!!

what the flux are you going on about ?

:thumbup:You better fluxing shut up, and migrate your ass out of this thread!!

[Bellend Sebastian]

The outflux is mainly people that bang on about how this doesn't feel like their country anymore and so therefore go to live in another country, which presumably feels even less like their country.

What's all that about?

[Zingari]

The outflux is mainly people that bang on about how this doesn't feel like their country anymore and so therefore go to live in another country, which presumably feels even less like their country.

What's all that about?

if it don't feel like your country any more you may as well live somewhere with a better climate and cheaper booze

oh yeah and topless beaches

[davieG]

The issue with training is that companies are becomming reluctant to train staff and instead hire skilled staff. Working for a growing company, staff including management have been superseeded by so called 'more skilled\qualified' staff, and very rarely have those individuals given the chance to upgrade there skills and duties to meet the company needs.

There could be various reasons for this, the cost of training, and risks involved, also the renumaration packages for those that are becomming more skilled or those that train and be skilled and look for adventures elsewhere!!

Even when the budgets are there it's not utilised effectively due to poor management especially at the highest levels it's just given lip service.

As for people leaving after being trained up my experience tells me as many move on due to be denied training and opportunities to develop themselves

[Dr The Singh]

The outflux is mainly people that bang on about how this doesn't feel like their country anymore and so therefore go to live in another country, which presumably feels even less like their country.

What's all that about?

Fook knows, most of people that I know that have fooked off, have gone for a 'better life' ie money, weather, scenary etc, and good on em. But a few have gone because they don't like the 'change' in the nation, meaning the visual presence of immigrants, which is bizarre, because they could move to many parts of the country and never see an immigrant!!!!

[Dr The Singh]

Problem is that there are training departments that have to be seen to be training, then actually focussing on who and what they are training for. Every month at my place of employment I get asked to attand some sort of training seminar, for which i trun down because the subject is irrelevant. Training for me should be at an individual level, rather then area!!

[davieG]

Problem is that there are training departments that have to be seen to be training, then actually focussing on who and what they are training for. Every month at my place of employment I get asked to attand some sort of training seminar, for which i trun down because the subject is irrelevant. Training for me should be at an individual level, rather then area!!

That's often the fault of senior management / directors as I said previously in the organisations I've worked in there seem to be this obsession with being seen to be fair resulting in everyone being forced to attend irrelevant training, I had many a fall out with directors over this issue.

I had to provide endless spreadsheets showing that everyone had received a minimum amount of training.

[Bellend Sebastian]

if it don't feel like your country any more you may as well live somewhere with a better climate and cheaper booze

oh yeah and topless beaches

I can remember when it was all bullfighting round here, and we used to dance the Flamenco into the early hours after eating a big paella, assuming we'd managed to squeeze in a nice siesta earlier on.

Now it's all rolling fields and pubs and fish and chips.

It just doesn't feel like it's my country anymore

[davieG]

I can remember when it was all bullfighting round here, and we used to dance the Flamenco into the early hours after eating a big paella, assuming we'd managed to squeeze in a nice siesta earlier on.

Now it's all rolling fields and pubs and fish and chips.

It just doesn't feel like it's my country anymore

The homogenisation of Europe. It's only the language differences that's preventing it happening more quickly.

[Zingari]

I can remember when it was all bullfighting round here, and we used to dance the Flamenco into the early hours after eating a big paella, assuming we'd managed to squeeze in a nice siesta earlier on.

Now it's all rolling fields and pubs and fish and chips.

It just doesn't feel like it's my country anymore

but at least every fooker speaks english these days ,

[Zingari]

The homogenisation of Europe. It's only the language differences that's preventing it happening more quickly.

not necessarily ; i'll repeat this from the joke thread

A man walks into a Library and says, "Oi bitch. I want a fooking book to learn some cnuting Spanish. Where the fook are they?"

Librarian says, "There's no need for that language, sir!"

He says, "You're probably right. They all speak fookin English anyway."

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Maybe Vince Cable should get a law passed forcing these firms to train some of the 2.5million unemployed ( at least 10% of them , whatever that is )to do the jobs (including basic teamaking and washing up) . This is just wingeing by cheapskate employers. There is a training crisis in the UK brought about by private firms, and foreign workers won't solve it in the short or the long term.

come on Thracian , this could go down your street , where the fook are you ?

That just about sums it up.

[MPH]

'Who the bloody hell do they think they are coming over here taking our jobs?' Said a polish migrant worker when interviewed the other day....