lcfc_jme Posted 23 March 2011 Posted 23 March 2011 The only way this can possibly result in positive discussion and considerations by the Sports Minister is if he doesn't go into it totally blinkered and blaming Hillsborough on standing as opposed to poorly constructed terraces, overcrowding and bad policing. Seems highly unlikely to me, though. Also, nice to see the goalposts being moved in order to suit their own arguments now they've realised it's more dangerous for people to stand in seated areas than it is for them to be on "safe standing" terraces: All the authorities represented at the meeting stated their opposition to any reintroduction of standing areas, although they no longer state that this is predominantly an issue of fan safety, rather of crowd control. Yes, it's good that this is being openly discussed. However, I can't see how there's going to be any change whatsoever when the powers that be are both lying to themselves and those around them, as well as changing their stance to prevent any advance in common sense. Even if you don't want to stand on the new-style terraces yourself, sign the petition and at least give the people who do a chance.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 23 March 2011 Posted 23 March 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12830836.stm But Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson said: "Our view is that the benefits of all-seater stadia far outweigh the return of standing areas." Oh sorry, i got that all wrong. Allow me to correct it But Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson said: "Our view is that the increased revenue of all-seater stadia far outweigh the return of standing areas."
Simmo86 Posted 23 March 2011 Posted 23 March 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12830836.stm Oh sorry, i got that all wrong. Allow me to correct it ****ing Premier League run by clowns who have no clue about Football. Are they blind when they see thousands of people standing at grounds week in week out!
Simmo86 Posted 23 March 2011 Posted 23 March 2011 3500 signatures in half a day. Hopefully this is posted in every teams forums in the UK.
Fosse Boy Posted 23 March 2011 Posted 23 March 2011 Encouraging amount of signatures but it really does need all fans to unite on this if it's going to get going. Completely disappointed (though unsurprised) by the reactions of the fat cats running football, the cops and other journalists to David Conn's article. Good on him though, bringing the campaign to the fore where it needs to be.
Haydos Posted 24 March 2011 Posted 24 March 2011 Can we not have the petition thread as a sticky in the lcfc forum? 5000 sigs so far is poor and word needs to spread.
Fosse Boy Posted 24 March 2011 Posted 24 March 2011 Can we not have the petition thread as a sticky in the lcfc forum? 5000 sigs so far is poor and word needs to spread. I echo this!
Maybes Posted 24 March 2011 Posted 24 March 2011 Can we not have the petition thread as a sticky in the lcfc forum? 5000 sigs so far is poor and word needs to spread. Get it done please mods.
davieG Posted 24 March 2011 Posted 24 March 2011 Stickies don't get that much viewing, best to keep bumping this or just start a separate petition topic and keep bumping that.. People also need to like it to their Facebook page etc.
SMX11 Posted 24 March 2011 Posted 24 March 2011 Can we not have the petition thread as a sticky in the lcfc forum? 5000 sigs so far is poor and word needs to spread. Needs to be in the hundreds of thousands to get any notice.
Haydos Posted 24 March 2011 Posted 24 March 2011 Stickies don't get that much viewing, best to keep bumping this or just start a separate petition topic and keep bumping that.. People also need to like it to their Facebook page etc. I've shared it twice today already. Might search tomorrow and see if there's a group for it, if not i'll make one. Would be great if anyone who visits other clubs forums could make a duplicated thread on their boards. More it spreads the better. There's already a big Leicester presence on the first page
lcfc_jme Posted 27 March 2011 Posted 27 March 2011 It is 21 years since Lord Justice Taylor's report recommended that terracing at football grounds should be outlawed. The move was a direct response to the tragedy at Hillsborough, where 96 people went to a football match and never returned home. The passing of time should not be allowed to diminish the reasons behind the introduction of all-seater stadiums, which is why I'm instinctively and deeply opposed to the reintroduction of standing areas at grounds. The subject is back on the agenda with a fans' group setting up a petition supporting the idea and Sports Minister Hugh Robertson not wanting to appear dismissive, saying he will view it seriously. Never again: The Hillsborough tragedy is a poignant reminder of the dangers of terracing I'm more in line with the Premier League stance that the benefits of all-seater stadiums far outweigh the advantages of having supporters standing in big crowds. From where I'm looking, the introduction of all-seater stadiums has worked. To change it, even now, is an unnecessary risk, a view only strengthened when I remember what happened at Hillsborough and what the families of the bereaved have had to endure in the months and years since then. For younger readers nationally who don't know the story, I was the Liverpool manager when many of our supporters were crushed to death after an area of terracing at Hillsborough became overcrowded before our FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest in 1989. Football has become a far safer sport for supporters since both terracing and fencing around the pitch were banished. There are fewer injuries and there is less hooliganism, too. It can't be wrong. I've heard it argued that people are denied the right to make a choice between sitting and standing but if you asked people what the safer option would be, they would say sitting. And safety is not something you should take for granted. If we are safer now, it is because the recommendations of the Taylor Report were acted upon. The other point I've heard mentioned is that all-seater stadiums are bad for atmosphere. Even if that were true, would it not be right to sacrifice a little bit of atmosphere for safety? I don't think the argument about atmosphere is correct anyway. You can't deny that there have been some absolutely fantastic nights at Anfield since the stadium went all-seater. Yes, the famous Saint Etienne European Cup game in 1977 when you could squeeze 26,000 into the old Kop was played in a marvellous atmosphere. But it was also extremely good against Olympiakos in 2004 when Steven Gerrard rattled one in to take Liverpool through against the odds. People talk with some reverence about the 2005 semi-final against Chelsea when the noise and passion were incredible and sucked Luis Garcia's shot over the line. Remember, that was in an all-seater stadium. It isn't just Anfield. I went to a Celtic-Rangers Old Firm game in the Scottish Premier League last month that Celtic won 3-0 and you couldn't tell me the atmosphere would have been any better had people all been standing and swaying on the terraces. Not a chance – it was fantastic as it was. Glory days: Anfield certainly didn't need any terracing on the night Luis Garcia fired Liverpool to the Champions League final in 2005 Maybe some other grounds don't have that old-fashioned atmosphere any more but if the reward is that mothers and fathers can take their children there in safety, that's surely not a bad thing. I'd certainly be more inclined to take my son or daughter - or grandchildren nowadays! - to a match where you sit rather than stand. The one drawback about modern stadiums over the last 20 years which I have to accept is the increased cost in going to games. I acknowledge that it would be fantastic to make it more affordable for the man in the street to go to matches with his kids. I don't agree a return to standing is the right way to do that but I do think we all have to find a way to make sure not every seat is expensive. I know fans still stand in countries like Germany. But you can't compare their situation with ours. If Germany had endured a tragedy like Hillsborough, of innocent supporters dying because they went to a football match, they would have banned standing and they would not now be talking of reversing that decision. http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1HnwO4rhG Yeah, Kenny, because nobody suffers injuries as a result of the seats infront of them. They definitely don't ruin their legs or fall over the seats dangerously whilst celebrating. You can't deny there have been fantastic nights at Anfield since it went all seater. I won't. But it was the mass-standing in the Kop which significantly contributed to that. Conveniently ignored by all in power, funnily enough. Nowt like bending the facts to suit your own argument, eh suits? Bet everyone at the Old Firm game in question was sat down as well. I know for a fact the entire away end and those home fans around them would've been seated. Oh, wait a minute.. More mothers and fathers can still bring their kids, that'd be the point of having ONE designated safe-standing area within the ground, meaning at least 3 of the other stands in the ground would remain as entirely seated areas!! Funny how that would work but isn't ever relayed to the public from the mouthpieces at the top. Honestly the complete lack of any common sense or grip on reality with these cvntish figureheads and journalists who keep spouting incessant rubbish is really beginning to fvck me off. How can anything be considered "fairly looked at" if there's a complete refusal to lay the entire story on the table. It's absolute bollocks.
Father Ted Posted 27 March 2011 Posted 27 March 2011 Yeah, Kenny, because nobody suffers injuries as a result of the seats infront of them. They definitely don't ruin their legs or fall over the seats dangerously whilst celebrating. You can't deny there have been fantastic nights at Anfield since it went all seater. I won't. But it was the mass-standing in the Kop which significantly contributed to that. Conveniently ignored by all in power, funnily enough. Nowt like bending the facts to suit your own argument, eh suits? Bet everyone at the Old Firm game in question was sat down as well. I know for a fact the entire away end and those home fans around them would've been seated. Oh, wait a minute.. More mothers and fathers can still bring their kids, that'd be the point of having ONE designated safe-standing area within the ground, meaning at least 3 of the other stands in the ground would remain as entirely seated areas!! Funny how that would work but isn't ever relayed to the public from the mouthpieces at the top. Honestly the complete lack of any common sense or grip on reality with these cvntish figureheads and journalists who keep spouting incessant rubbish is really beginning to fvck me off. How can anything be considered "fairly looked at" if there's a complete refusal to lay the entire story on the table. It's absolute bollocks. This is why I hate Liverpool FC and everything assosciated to it. He's just a senile old man, his brains playing games with him.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 March 2011 Posted 27 March 2011 Using the tragic deaths of 96 innocent people to win an argument really does just show how cheap, despicable and devious the all-seater brigade are as well as ignorant. For the nth time, THE HILLSBOROUGH DISASTER WAS NOT CAUSED BY STANDING. IT WAS CAUSED BY A TOXIC MIX OF A POORLY DESIGNED TERRACE, PENNING, POOR POLICING, LACK OF ATTENTION PAID TO SAFETY BY SWFC AND THEIR CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS TOO MANY TICKETLESS LIVERPOOL FANS IN THE VICINITY. EVEN THE TAYLOR REPORT ATTESTS TO THIS. PLEASE, PLEASE STOP SAYING IT WAS CAUSED BY TERRACING OR I WILL CONTINUE TO SHOUT AND BURST A BLOOD VESSEL.
The Doctor Posted 27 March 2011 Posted 27 March 2011 Kenny hasn't got a clue has he? Standing, when well policed with sufficient attention to safety, is no more dangerous than sitting.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 July 2011 Posted 2 July 2011 A brief video of the FSF Safe Standing roadshow in Liverpool with a small model of how one solution, rail seating, would work in grounds. Thought some people might find this interesting.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 14 October 2011 Posted 14 October 2011 Pushed back to late November now, seemingly. So even more time to get writing to your MP! ww.writetothem.com or Parliament.uk: Contact your MP Please note that it's a bill, not an EDM when you make your communication though.
Dan Posted 15 October 2011 Posted 15 October 2011 Don't get me wrong - I love the idea of standing as the norm, but it would take away that special little bit of amateur rebellion when everyone stands at an away game and sings their hearts out Very fair point IMO. But still, definitely FOR safe-standing and sick of the ignorance of the ones against it.
Dan Posted 16 October 2011 Posted 16 October 2011 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/215957/Fans-make-their-stand/ Interesting stuff. No idea how good the DS is though.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 18 October 2011 Posted 18 October 2011 Got a rather uninspiring, noncommittal response from my MP today, but at the very least, he hasn't ruled it out. Thank you very much for your email on the Safe Standing (Football Stadia) Bill, and I will consider the issues you have brought to my attentionBest wishes Jon Ashworth
marko Posted 18 October 2011 Posted 18 October 2011 Got a rather uninspiring, noncommittal response from my MP today, but at the very least, he hasn't ruled it out. I believe the term is 'lip service'.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 18 October 2011 Posted 18 October 2011 I believe the term is 'lip service'. He knows my views, and didn't go "Sorry, safety first" and, for now, that's all that's important. I don't expect a tome given the amount of correspondence he and his staff likely have to take care of. Will he show his face on the day? That remains to be seen.
DMU Fox Posted 7 November 2011 Posted 7 November 2011 Didn't want to start a new thread on this but on talksport at the moment is a debate on safe standing. Hopefully the case for returning standing at football gets put across, and the myths about its non-return get put away.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 8 November 2011 Posted 8 November 2011 Didn't want to start a new thread on this but on talksport at the moment is a debate on safe standing. Hopefully the case for returning standing at football gets put across, and the myths about its non-return get put away. http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/55425 If anyone missed it.
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