Guest BlueBrett Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Looking at OS photos Bruma looks decidedly right footed and with the imminent loaning of Hobbs I'd guess that Bruma is here primarily as cover for Bamba and Naughton, I can't see Sven dropping the left footed Mee for Bruma so I see the back four asNaughton - Bamba/Bruma-Mee-Aanholt Then it's just a case of whether he chooses to start Dyer I think you are probably right. It's a shame though. I think most of us would really like to see Bamba and Bruma playing alongside each other but like you say Sven can't pick them both to play the same side. I can't see Sven resting Yuki either like some people are suggesting he might. He has been looking tired lately but then he's had a full week to recover. Even if he doesn't feel in peak condition Abe at 80% is still better than Oakley at 100% in my book. Vassell will more than likely start but I'd like to see Dyer given a good half hour to do some damage in the second half. Hopefully we'll be 3-0 after a hour anyway!
Rich Fox Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 So everyone has the knives out for yuki Abe now then? well shame on you all! Not long since everone was slagging Ben Mee. Abe has been at the heart of the team that has climbed to within a whisker of the top 6. Ok he has had a couple of quiet games but Oakley will drag this side down into the relegation dogfight if he gets a run in the side, he should not be anywhere near Derby tomorrow apart from playing for Derby as thats where his heart is.
MikeyT Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Ha, how blind have i been. I didn't even know we'd signed Bruma yet.
Bettsj2 Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 As I see it, a player who isn't playing well should lose his place in the team. At the moment Abe is playing poorly so Oakley should get a chance. He's been good over the seasons and has played well as a sub in our last two games. Say that about Jack Hobbs and see what happens.
paddy Agyemang Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Oakley has improved and would like to see him involved alot more but not sure about starting him against his former club especially after last year, clapping the derby fans before us and i feel he wont play to his best. but maybe start him in future away games to play a tad more defensive
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 I don't think anyone is doing that... Just that the arrival of Bruma opens up a mess of possibilities, specially as the concensus is that he is here to start, not cover Bamba / Naughton. He has only just arrived so there is no need for him to start tomorrow, so I would go with an unchanged side. Agreed. Get Dyer on early if Vassell does not improve on last week.
VampLCFC Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Weale Naughton Bruma Bamba Van Aanholt Wellens King Abe Vassell Yakubu Gallagher
VampLCFC Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 I can see Bruma playing on the right side of the two CB's and Bamba switching to the left as he's more experienced
hackneyfox Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 providing Bamba isn't injured then the same 11 as Barnsley. If he is give Hobbs another chance to prove his worth. Time to move on, as Hobbs will be.
hackneyfox Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Weale Naughton Bruma Mee Van Aanhalt Bamba Wellens King Gallagher Vassel Yakubu Bench: Ricardo, Abe, Dyer, Oakley, Berner, Waghorn, Hobbs. That's the one for me.
marbelladave Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 So everyone has the knives out for yuki Abe now then? well shame on you all! Not long since everone was slagging Ben Mee. Abe has been at the heart of the team that has climbed to within a whisker of the top 6. Ok he has had a couple of quiet games but Oakley will drag this side down into the relegation dogfight if he gets a run in the side, he should not be anywhere near Derby tomorrow apart from playing for Derby as thats where his heart is. Not at all. He simply has not been the player he was in the last couple of games, suggesting he is rested for a game or two is not putting the knive in. He remains a far more important player than Oakley, but he is entitled to a rest if he is playing poorly. Oakley has improved and would like to see him involved alot more but not sure about starting him against his former club especially after last year, clapping the derby fans before us and i feel he wont play to his best. but maybe start him in future away games to play a tad more defensive True. I had forgotten the nonsense last year at Derby, maybe not tomorrow then. Mind you does show how few options we have in midfield... I can see Bruma playing on the right side of the two CB's and Bamba switching to the left as he's more experienced OK.......But why didn't Bamba move to the left when he was playing with Hobbs, surely that would have made sense, but it didn't happen...
hackneyfox Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Bamba will have to work hard though, Bruma and Mee may be a bit lightweight in the air.
Kitchandro Posted 11 February 2011 Posted 11 February 2011 Dyer in for Big DV the rest the same as Barnsleh! Agreed
Kitchandro Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 I can understand the theory of Bamba in the holding role but for now I see no reason why he should move from his centre back role. All his apperances so far have been fantastic. Why change it when he's been so good? Abe hasn't been as bad as people are making out IMO so I wouldn't drop him. Vassell still hasn't convinced me he's any good on the wing, the last 2 games he's been as anonymous as ever and a bit lazy. Drop him for Dyer.
ajthefox Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Time to move on, as Hobbs will be. You'll probably say the same thing about Bamba if he makes one clanger and Bruma plays well once.
gh09lcfc Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Weale Naughton, Bruma, Bamba/Vitor, Van Aanholt Oakley, Wellens, King Gallagher, Yakubu, Dyer Bench - Ricardo, Mee, Bruno, Abe, Vassell, Howard, Waghorn Just hoping Bamba and Vitor are fit, two quality players but Bamba is still fresh could well see him turn into what the SPL fans say of him.
Kitchandro Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Funny, I thought Mee had had 2 terrific games against Sheff Utd and Barnsley, but several people want him dropped. Nice to see people aren't still judging him on his first appearance
ajthefox Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 People are soon to forget anything good about anyone and would much rather have yet another addition to the squad.
Dilkes Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Weale (No De Ja Vu!!) Naughton Bruma/Bamba Mee Van Aanholt Wellens Abe King Dyer Yak Gallagher
Heskey2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 So everyone has the knives out for yuki Abe now then? well shame on you all! Not long since everone was slagging Ben Mee. Abe has been at the heart of the team that has climbed to within a whisker of the top 6. Ok he has had a couple of quiet games but Oakley will drag this side down into the relegation dogfight if he gets a run in the side, he should not be anywhere near Derby tomorrow apart from playing for Derby as thats where his heart is. good point, also don't read too much into Svens praise of Oakley he may be praising him partly because he was captain and therefore Sven probably thinks the fans/ other players like him.
marbelladave Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 I can understand the theory of Bamba in the holding role but for now I see no reason why he should move from his centre back role. All his apperances so far have been fantastic. Why change it when he's been so good? Abe hasn't been as bad as people are making out IMO so I wouldn't drop him. Vassell still hasn't convinced me he's any good on the wing, the last 2 games he's been as anonymous as ever and a bit lazy. Drop him for Dyer. Moving Bamba, who seems to be settling in nicely, would not be my call.... However Bruma has been brought in for a reason and I doubt that it is too sit on the bench, he is, primarily, a right footed center back, so.... It is only the last two games but Abe's performance has definitely dipped. Among other things his energy levels seem down, hence the suggestion that he might need a rest, it has been a tougher season than he is used to and he played in the world cup. Not dropping him, resting him.... Vassell has played his best football (for us) in the center, leading the line. When it comes to running the channels, holding up the play or hustling when we lose possesion he is way better than the Yak. Perhaps he would be the better choice to start in the middle away from home?...
Captain... Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Re: Left Centre Back, I know DavieG's theory about Hobbs not playing well at LCB and having his preferred side, whilst I'm sure that Hobbs is not the only player who has a preferred side, I think that we will see most players, especially more experienced/technically gifted players, will not have Hobbs' trouble adapting between LCB and RCB, for Bamba and Bruma, who are both very comfortable on the ball, it shouldn't be a big problem. Unfortunately for Hobbs it was, and this is probably why his place is being called into question. Stability will be more of an issue and knowing who is next to you and how they are playing, so I would expect Bamba to start with Mee, Bruma brought on later in the game if needed at RB or LCB. Other chages, I still think that PVA and Naughton are too attacking for an away game, especially one that may be as highly charged as Derby, I'm not sure what Derby's wingers are like but I would prefer Berner to start, more experience in these kind of games, and PVA brought on to run at the tired Derby defenders in the second half. I wouldn't change Abe at the moment, but another poor game today and I would change it for Bristol at home, he's had a weeks rest and training and I don't think the Derby game is the right one for Oakley's return to the side. Finally Dyer for Vassell. Weale Naughton - Bamba - Mee - BernerAbe - King - WellensGallagher - Yak - Dyer
davieG Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Re: Left Centre Back, I know DavieG's theory about Hobbs not playing well at LCB and having his preferred side, whilst I'm sure that Hobbs is not the only player who has a preferred side, I think that we will see most players, especially more experienced/technically gifted players, will not have Hobbs' trouble adapting between LCB and RCB, for Bamba and Bruma, who are both very comfortable on the ball, it shouldn't be a big problem. Unfortunately for Hobbs it was, and this is probably why his place is being called into question. Stability will be more of an issue and knowing who is next to you and how they are playing, so I would expect Bamba to start with Mee, Bruma brought on later in the game if needed at RB or LCB. Other chages, I still think that PVA and Naughton are too attacking for an away game, especially one that may be as highly charged as Derby, I'm not sure what Derby's wingers are like but I would prefer Berner to start, more experience in these kind of games, and PVA brought on to run at the tired Derby defenders in the second half. I wouldn't change Abe at the moment, but another poor game today and I would change it for Bristol at home, he's had a weeks rest and training and I don't think the Derby game is the right one for Oakley's return to the side. Finally Dyer for Vassell. Weale Naughton - Bamba - Mee - BernerAbe - King - WellensGallagher - Yak - Dyer Well I've never said right footed players can't play the left CB role so I agree that better players can and do. However I can't see that applying to Bamba otherwise why has he not played there and allowed Hobbs to play the right CB role - there must be reason. I agree about the stability especially in the back four and therefore I hope Mee keeps his place.
Captain... Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 Well I've never said right footed players can't play the left CB role so I agree that better players can and do. However I can't see that applying to Bamba otherwise why has he not played there and allowed Hobbs to play the right CB role - there must be reason. I agree about the stability especially in the back four and therefore I hope Mee keeps his place. I would say it's because Bamba is one of the first names on the teamsheet, I would imagine, his preferred position is RCB and Sven wants him playing there every week to get a good understanding with Naughton. Sven doesn't see Hobbs as a first team player, so he has been slotted in at LCB when there has been no other alternatives. It is possible that Sven knows that Bamba sucks at LCB and so isn't going to play him there. I think Sven has 3 of the back 4 sorted in his head, and now just needs to decide on who will partner Sol; Mee, Bruma, Vitor or Hobbs. This is just my thoughts on the matter, and maybe Sven has brought in Bruma to replace Bamba and we can have an all premiership back four again, but I hope not.
davieG Posted 12 February 2011 Posted 12 February 2011 I would say it's because Bamba is one of the first names on the teamsheet, I would imagine, his preferred position is RCB and Sven wants him playing there every week to get a good understanding with Naughton. Sven doesn't see Hobbs as a first team player, so he has been slotted in at LCB when there has been no other alternatives. It is possible that Sven knows that Bamba sucks at LCB and so isn't going to play him there. I think Sven has 3 of the back 4 sorted in his head, and now just needs to decide on who will partner Sol; Mee, Bruma, Vitor or Hobbs. This is just my thoughts on the matter, and maybe Sven has brought in Bruma to replace Bamba and we can have an all premiership back four again, but I hope not. Echo's my thoughts from a previous post. It seems to me that Sven is building in some options and cover RB - Naughton / Bruma RCB - Bamba / Bruma LCB - Vitor / Mee LB - Aanholt / Berner / Mee? The only question is who will be first choice, the majority view seems to be that Bruma 'will' be a first choice sooner rather than later, so the big question is who does he replace. Many seem to have picked Mee assuming he is either the weakest link or he and Man City are happier for him to sit on the bench rather than Chelsea and Bruma yet there's been no indication of his prowess in the LCB role. I guess we'll soon find out.
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