Saturdays Ref

[Bert]

Of course he should be doing a better job - Ideally we would want referees to get everything spot on 100% of the time. But if a referee doesn't do a very good job then it's either because he's corrupt and trying to fix the game or more likely because he's human and makes mistakes.

If you think verbal abuse, physical abuse, being called a c*nt and a clown and various other internet hate campaigns are justified for these mistakes then that's your prerogative

So did you go on Saturday?

If you did then you'll know the number of ridiculously poor decisions the ref made were "mistakes". I'm not in the minority about him either. Read the threads about it. Pretty much every Leicester fan will remember that game because of the ref, not the great spectacle it actually was.

[Houdini Logic]

So did you go on Saturday?

If you did then you'll know the number of ridiculously poor decisions the ref made were "mistakes". I'm not in the minority about him either. Read the threads about it. Pretty much every Leicester fan will remember that game because of the ref, not the great spectacle it actually was.

No I didn't go on Saturday, but that's hardly the point - I've seen many poor refs in my time and I don't doubt that he was awful.

My question is, if they weren't mistakes then what where they?

[dave the caveman]

...or maybe guy trying to do a job with a lot of hard decisions, incredible amount of pressure and pretty much zero perks

You make it sound like he doesn't have a choice. The guy could quite easily not be a referee if he doesn't like it.

Anyway, regarding the second incident, surely the rules must state the player must appeal for a foul before it can be deemed a dive?

[Bert]

No I didn't go on Saturday, but that's hardly the point - I've seen many poor refs in my time and I don't doubt that he was awful.

My question is, if they weren't mistakes then what where they?

You'll have to ask the "ref". It was clear to me and many others there was bias against us on Saturday.

[Houdini Logic]

You make it sound like he doesn't have a choice. The guy could quite easily not be a referee if he doesn't like it.

I'm going to start verbally abusing everyone on here because it's their choice whether they come on here ir not.

Great logic you c*nt

You'll have to ask the "ref". It was clear to me and many others there was bias against us on Saturday.

Yes mate, I'll give him a call later

[dave the caveman]

I'm going to start verbally abusing everyone on here because it's their choice whether they come on here ir not.

Great logic you c*nt

Go ahead and verbally abuse everyone on here mate. Unless they're your neighbour, they aint gonna hear you.

I'm leaving now. Your strange passion for protecting referees is scary. Very scary.

[Leicester Lass]

I'm going to start verbally abusing everyone on here because it's their choice whether they come on here ir not.

Great logic you c*nt

You really are missing the point, referees choose their profession knowing full well that they will be in the public eye should they reach the top of their trade, and that their performance and any decisions they make may well be scrutinised by players, managers, fans and the media. If referees want respect then they need to earn it, something which the large majority of them do not do, by the way they conduct themselves both on and off the pitch i.e. by failing to give any justification for controversial decisions they have made. Until something is done about respect shown towards the referees by players and managers, then I'm afraid nothing is going to change in the stands.

As for you taking such a defensive stand over this issue, I find it very hard to believe you've always refrained from verbally abusing referees at matches, as it is an environment in which emotions run high, and a lot of actions are made in the heat of the moment.

[Houdini Logic]

You really are missing the point, referees choose their profession knowing full well that they will be in the public eye should they reach the top of their trade, and that their performance and any decisions they make may well be scrutinised by players, managers, fans and the media. If referees want respect then they need to earn it, something which the large majority of them do not do, by the way they conduct themselves both on and off the pitch i.e. by failing to give any justification for controversial decisions they have made. Until something is done about respect shown towards the referees by players and managers, then I'm afraid nothing is going to change in the stands.

As for you taking such a defensive stand over this issue, I find it very hard to believe you've always refrained from verbally abusing referees at matches, as it is an environment in which emotions run high, and a lot of actions are made in the heat of the moment.

Very sensible post and agree with the majority of it.

My original point (which I should never have strayed from) is that people seem to think there is some ulterior reason for a ref's poor decisions, but it's simply down to the fact that they're human and make mistakes - they can't be in the perfect position and see everything for 90 minutes, so there are always going to be bad decisions. If people have an issue with this then they should write a letter to the FA with suggestions on how to make it better.

Of course I'll grumble when a bad decision is made against my team, but I know that it's not because they hate my team - and I don't think starting internet hate campaigns are justified or tolerating physical abuse because 'they knew what they were getting into'. Step too far for me.

[Houdini Logic]

Go ahead and verbally abuse everyone on here mate. Unless they're your neighbour, they aint gonna hear you.

I'm leaving now. Your strange passion for protecting referees is scary. Very scary.

'Whilst oral communication is the most common form of verbal abuse, it includes abusive words in written form.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse#Verbal_abuse_or_verbal_attacks

Or if you'd prefer the legal definition...

'Verbal abuse may consist of shouting, insulting, intimidating, threatening, shaming, demeaning, or derogatory language, among other forms of communication.'

http://definitions.uslegal.com/v/verbal-abuse/

[DB11]

Referees get a salary of £33,000 plus an additional £1,000 each premiership match (championship = £500).

Very healthy annual income.

If you were correct. Provide a source for that information please, if you can (I'll save you the research: you can't as it's incorrect).

Anyway, regarding the second incident, surely the rules must state the player must appeal for a foul before it can be deemed a dive?

Lol I have heard a lot of crazy things come from spectators and players in my time as a referee, and every time each naive comment always makes me laugh. Are you actually being serious with that comment?

[dave the caveman]

Lol I have heard a lot of crazy things come from spectators and players in my time as a referee, and every time each naive comment always makes me laugh. Are you actually being serious with that comment?

I was, yes, but thinking about it I suppose the players would just dive and then not appeal. Still seems silly that a referee cannot distinguish between a dive and a legitimate falling over.

[Matt]

You may hear some naive comments DB11 but atleast they're not naive comments of someone in denial.

[Parafox]

The OP was not about last weeks ref it's regarding the forthcoming game... read it properly before jumping on any passing bandwagon

[Jimothy]

If you were correct. Provide a source for that information please, if you can (I'll save you the research: you can't as it's incorrect).

Lol I have heard a lot of crazy things come from spectators and players in my time as a referee, and every time each naive comment always makes me laugh. Are you actually being serious with that comment?

So if you were refereeing a game I was playing in and I tripped over my own feet, or lost my footing as I ran through on goal, with a defender close by, you'd book me for diving whether I appealed for a foul or not? I don't how you can know if I was falling over trying to claim a foul or whether I was just genuinely falling over, unless I claim I was fouled. You can't read my mind.

Some of the stuff you come out with regarding refereeing, if this is what they teach you when you train, no wonder referees today are so shit.

[Houdini Logic]

So if you were refereeing a game I was playing in and I tripped over my own feet, or lost my footing as I ran through on goal, with a defender close by, you'd book me for diving whether I appealed for a foul or not? I don't how you can know if I was falling over trying to claim a foul or whether I was just genuinely falling over, unless I claim I was fouled. You can't read my mind.

Some of the stuff you come out with regarding refereeing, if this is what they teach you when you train, no wonder referees today are so shit.

If a player's dive is so obvious that even he thinks 'shit, that defender actually didn't get anywhere near as close as I thought and now I look like a tool' and decides not to protest, you don't think he should be booked?

The OP was not about last weeks ref it's regarding the forthcoming game... read it properly before jumping on any passing bandwagon

Who are you talking to?

[Parafox]

Who are you talking to?

Reading the thread from the beginning, it was about (as i understand it) the ref for the forthcoming game on Sat. Then it seemed to get sidetracked onto the performance of the ref last Sat.

My comment was aimed at those who have mis-read or hijacked the OP.

If I am wrong then i stand to be corrected

[DB11]

So if you were refereeing a game I was playing in and I tripped over my own feet, or lost my footing as I ran through on goal, with a defender close by, you'd book me for diving whether I appealed for a foul or not? I don't how you can know if I was falling over trying to claim a foul or whether I was just genuinely falling over, unless I claim I was fouled. You can't read my mind.

Some of the stuff you come out with regarding refereeing, if this is what they teach you when you train, no wonder referees today are so shit.

No. What I was referring to was so obvious I didn't think it needed stating. However, someone kindly did it for me (see below)

If a player's dive is so obvious that even he thinks 'shit, that defender actually didn't get anywhere near as close as I thought and now I look like a tool' and decides not to protest, you don't think he should be booked?

[Bert]

Reading the thread from the beginning, it was about (as i understand it) the ref for the forthcoming game on Sat. Then it seemed to get sidetracked onto the performance of the ref last Sat.

My comment was aimed at those who have mis-read or

hijacked the OP.

If I am wrong then i stand to be corrected

Well people were moaning about Mike Dean, all that was said was that he can't be as bad as lat weeks.

The thread has hardly been hijacked, been some good points and posts made, can't see what your problem is.

[Brown Fox]

one of the best refs i've seen this season when he refereed us against man city

[philce]

one of the best refs i've seen this season when he refereed us against man city

Agreed

[Matt]

Don't think he had such a bad game yesterday.

Don't get me wrong I slag off referees as much as anyone but credit where credits due, and people were quick enough to slag the referee of last week (Rightly or wrongly, I didn't go last week and cannot comment).

Coincidence hardly anyone mentions the referee when we win though?

[Jimothy]

Don't think he had such a bad game yesterday.

Don't get me wrong I slag off referees as much as anyone but credit where credits due, and people were quick enough to slag the referee of last week (Rightly or wrongly, I didn't go last week and cannot comment).

Coincidence hardly anyone mentions the referee when we win though?

I did have a proper moan about the ref after the Colchester or Hereford game in League One. We won 2-1 I think, and he was awful. At one point Barry Hayles slid in with a perfectly good tackle and he gave a free kick, to Leicester! It was never a free kick to them and certainly wasn't a free kick to Leicester! That was the one moment that still sticks in my mind but he produced numerous strange decisions against both teams.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Don't think he had such a bad game yesterday.

Don't get me wrong I slag off referees as much as anyone but credit where credits due, and people were quick enough to slag the referee of last week (Rightly or wrongly, I didn't go last week and cannot comment).

Coincidence hardly anyone mentions the referee when we win though?

Was meaning to post in here that I thought he had a particularly good game. You certainly can't say he was against us. One yellow card against a good few for them and a penalty.

[Bert]

Was meaning to post in here that I thought he had a particularly good game. You certainly can't say he was against us. One yellow card against a good few for them and a penalty.

I didn't think any of ours got booked?

[anotherharboroughfox]

I didn't think any of ours got booked?

indeed, 3 for them, 0 for us.