lcfc_jme Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Weale is getting no sympathy from me. He's a pathetic excuse for a goalkeeper and if Ricardo had made the amount of mistakes and the level of mistakes that he'd made, he'd have been murdered by now. Weale is a useless bellend and the sooner he fvcks off the better. Dreadful performance today. Sadly it's not the first time I've been able to say that about him.
Thracian Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 His downfall cannot be blamed entirely on him. Sven has messed about with the GK position all season long. Today was a result of swapping GKs in and out for fun resulting in a loss of confidence in a fairly steady GK in Weale. Unfortunately for him, I think that's it for him. Sven won't pick him now, he has the perfect excuse not to. Sums it up to a great extent. And it is ironic that while people hark back to the stability of Pearson's management, he never seemed to have any doubts about Weale nor any great reason to have doubts because Weale was just about as reliable as keepers get. Yesterday's clanger was way out of character although it was not his first this season. Even now I find it hard to explain because he saw the ball early enough yet somehow failed to follow the first principle of golkeeping which is to get your body behind the ball. As for anyone thinking Weale has somehow cost us our chance of promotion that's just the disappointment of a bad day showing. The team has been peppered with weaknesses and problems all season and having to play some of the better teams in recent weeks has exposed them for all to see. Yesterday didn't bother me much because it was no more than a dream that this team could get up and not one I've not been convinced would come true since we opted out in the snow at Ipswich. Another landmark was our surrender at Cardiff. Both exposed a character flaw that has shown itself too often in various ways. We have far too many weaknesses and should now start laying more solid foundations for next season.
buzzy Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Absolutely pal, not for the first time he lets us down. People were bumming him massively whilst Ricardo makes some errors, well against Palace & now Forest he's cost us points. Roll on next season when we have a decent keeper between the sticks & Weale is back up which he is perfect for. End of. i would not even have him as backup get rid
Babylon Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 he never seemed to have any doubts about Weale nor any great reason to have doubts because Weale was just about as reliable as keepers get. Weale started losing the plot under Pearson, mistakes started creeping in at the end of the season.
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Weale started losing the plot under Pearson, mistakes started creeping in at the end of the season. Thracian must be seeing a different keeper than I, but then again he had that great game against Sheffield....Y'know the team at the bottom of the CCC. All this chopping and changing of GK? Weale has been given a fairly adequate run of games to prove himself, and sadly he has disappointed. You could tell from his reaction after the ball rolled under him when he just lay there, that he hadn't all but given up on any further career with Leicester City. Weale hasn't cost us the playoff's. An inadequate defence, a lack of midfield options (thus no ability to adapt formations) cost us any chance of making the playoffs. People have been screaming that Sven doens't know what he's doing as he refuses to change. He hasn't got a choice. He's working with what he's got. Unfortunately our GKs have been a serious weakness. It's obvious that Weale hasn't been doing the do on the training ground. Sven has seen enough players in his career to know whether someone is suitable or not. Hence the search for someone else. Ricardo has his flaws, but in my mind Ricardo probably has a better temperament to handle pressure. There are numerous players in our team and who have left the team, who have/do crumble under pressure, another reason for Sven to send these players packing over the summer and reinforce the team with some solidity, solidarity, and some grit.
accessory Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Yesterday didn't bother me much because it was no more than a dream that this team could get up and not one I've not been convinced would come true since we opted out in the snow at Ipswich. Another landmark was our surrender at Cardiff. Both exposed a character flaw that has shown itself too often in various ways.We have far too many weaknesses and should now start laying more solid foundations for next season. Ahh, the Ipswich and Cardiff games. No doubt the pro-Sven brigade will find a way of blaming Weale for those too. But the fans with an IQ (of which there aren't too many on here) knows where the character flaw lies. And it isn't with Weale or any other of the playing staff.
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Ahh, the Ipswich and Cardiff games. No doubt the pro-Sven brigade will find a way of blaming Weale for those too. But the fans with an IQ (of which there aren't too many on here) knows where the character flaw lies. And it isn't with Weale or any other of the playing staff. Are you suggesting that you have a high IQ? That is indeed a laughable thought.
Guest Bilo Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Ahh, the Ipswich and Cardiff games. No doubt the pro-Sven brigade will find a way of blaming Weale for those too. But the fans with an IQ (of which there aren't too many on here) knows where the character flaw lies. And it isn't with Weale or any other of the playing staff. Yes I agree. You must be borderline retarded to believe that any manager needs a pre-season to build a team and literally licking the windows to believe that we're better off with Sven than we would have been than with, say, Coleman, Southgate or Dowie. As for those who persist in believing Weale isn't good enough after a mere six games his mistakes have cost us points in, I don't wish to mock the afflicted but they're just idiots.
accessory Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Yes I agree. You must be borderline retarded to believe that any manager needs a pre-season to build a team and literally licking the windows to believe that we're better off with Sven than we would have been than with, say, Coleman, Southgate or Dowie. Did Dowie need a pre-season to take Palace up? As for those who persist in believing Weale isn't good enough after a mere six games his mistakes have cost us points in, I don't wish to mock the afflicted but they're just idiots. The only afflicted people on here are the ones still deluded enough to believe the mercenary will lead us to the promised land of the Premier League. What about the performances Weale gave to win us games under Pearson? Or the ones this year at Sheff United and Boro?
Jay Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I can't believe people still think he's good enough it was same old problems again today, terrible distribution that kick at the end when we needed to get the ball upfield who the f** k was that aimed at? zero communication, liability from long shots everytime!! nothing to do with the defence, nothing to do with Sven, hes just no good enough and a solid number one is a priority for next season
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Yes I agree. You must be borderline retarded to believe that any manager needs a pre-season to build a team and literally licking the windows to believe that we're better off with Sven than we would have been than with, say, Coleman, Southgate or Dowie. As for those who persist in believing Weale isn't good enough after a mere six games his mistakes have cost us points in, I don't wish to mock the afflicted but they're just idiots. Isn't good enough for what? The rest of the season? Our promotion chances next season? Weale knows it's over. The fans know it's over. And Sven knew it was over for him when he had the chance to assess him. Those saying it's Weale's fault for us not making the playoffs is frankly as stupid as those calling for Ricardo, and saying he was useless.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 It's a bit of a shame as i thought he was really good last season as i thought he was really good last season No coincidence there then...so were Hobbs and Waghorn...............
Mark_w Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Ricardo has played fewer games than Weale and still cost us more points than Weale this season. I'm not saying Weale is perfect but he was in fantastic form and we where starting too look really strong defensivley before he was messed about by Sven, sure you can't blame Sven for Weale's mistake but I don't think that mistake would have been the end of the world had Sven left him in from Derby to now, perhaps a good game against Derby were he made that mistake would have re-boosted his confidence. He was arguably are best player last season (And was linked with West Ham and Spurs in the Summer) and although we will be able to sign better in the summer, and I think we should, Weale deserves a lot of credit for what he's done for us over the last couple of years, not to be remembered for two stupid mistakes, but I guess that's not how most football fans work.
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 as i thought he was really good last season No coincidence there then...so were Hobbs and Waghorn............... What has coincidence, Hobbs & Waghorn got to do with Weale being a calamitous, nervy, non-communicative individual? Oh I see....the magic word......PEARSON! Hull need a keeper. Maybe he should start courting Pearson then. A solid defence with good communication within it, hid a lot of sins for Weale and Logan last year. When we were in League One. Weale was excellent. No coincidence then...
teblin Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 There is no point comparing Weale and Ricardo they have both proved they are not the answer if you want to win promotion. Sven has shown that he doesn't have much confidence in Weale and seems to realise Ricardo is not the answer. There will be a new keeper next season and i'm sure mr Weale may well still be here as back up.
Mark_w Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 When we were in League One. Weale was excellent. No coincidence then... ...?
Guest Bilo Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Did Dowie need a pre-season to take Palace up? The only afflicted people on here are the ones still deluded enough to believe the mercenary will lead us to the promised land of the Premier League. What about the performances Weale gave to win us games under Pearson? Or the ones this year at Sheff United and Boro? 1 - The only example you can find of a Championship manager taking over mid-season and winning promotion comes from eight years ago? Shows how easy it is. Look at Warnock taking over QPR toward the tail-end and scarcely improving their position last season, taking in a 4-0 pasting at our place? One pre-season later, funding in the transfer market and hey presto, they're in the Prem. 2 - The mercenary? Have you not seen the turnaround from October? The team Sven inherited was unfit, lacking in cohesion, had zero confidence and was bottom of the table. You only have to look at Sheffield United to see what could have happened if we'd got Sousa's replacement wrong. Again though, judge him after a pre-season where he has had the chance to make signings and properly impart his philosophy on the team. 3 - He was great under Pearson, no question. Though even then he had a couple of howlers, Derby away anyone? This season he has cost us more points than he has earned us, it's a sad fact but true. The problem is that Weale is many a fan's favourite purely he is one of 'Pearson's men,' I daresay the Anti-Sven Brigade, if we must get into divisions, wouldn't be nearly as forgiving if Ricardo had made the same errors Weale did yesterday and in other games and would be falling over themselves to blame Sven for signing and selecting him.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 What has coincidence, Hobbs & Waghorn got to do with Weale being a calamitous, nervy, non-communicative individual? Oh I see....the magic word......PEARSON! Hull need a keeper. Maybe he should start courting Pearson then. A solid defence with good communication within it, hid a lot of sins for Weale and Logan last year. When we were in League One. Weale was excellent. No coincidence then... you've hit the nail on the head spherical, and thank-you for doing so... YES a solid defence with good communication in it... as it would with most goalkeepers improved Weale's confidence and thus his performances. See where I'm coming from?
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 ...? That was more cryptic a dig for sure. He was on the bench at Bristol City therefore we snatched him before he was about to hit the big-time.
Mark_w Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 That was more cryptic a dig for sure. He was on the bench at Bristol City therefore we snatched him before he was about to hit the big-time. Proving your point how? Plus he was on loan at Yeovil for some of that season doing pretty well so he earnt the right to be starting for a championship team.
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 you've hit the nail on the head spherical, and thank-you for doing so... YES a solid defence with good communication in it... as it would with most goalkeepers improved Weale's confidence and thus his performances. See where I'm coming from? The flaw in your point though is that a good defence makes up for Weale's inadequacies for which I have on numerous occasions pointed out. We cannot afford to rely on a GK who is heavily reliant on the defence to do all the work and for them to remain relatively silent throughout a match. When the defence is closing down, and heading balls clear on a constant basis Weale looks comfortable. When they err in judgement or allow the opponents an opportunity to shoot on goal. 9 times out of 10 we all know the result. Unless you are playing Sheffield United who are on a downward trajectory to League One. But every Goalkeeper will have an outstanding game or two after eating their Ready Brek. Look at Logan for examples of this.
sphericalfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Proving your point how? Weale is inadequate. He was for Bristol. He is for us. Simples. Yes he has had a good few games, but sometimes I win a few quid on the lottery, it doesn't mean I'm going to win the jackpot.
Jay Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 you've hit the nail on the head spherical, and thank-you for doing so... YES a solid defence with good communication in it... as it would with most goalkeepers improved Weale's confidence and thus his performances. See where I'm coming from? does a keeper not need to communicate as well? Weale doesn't commuincate at all yesterday Wellens, Gallagher, Oakley and even Yuki Abe were asking him to talk! he doesn't organise his defence, doesn't talk to them. you are right communication is vital in a defence but it starts and ends with the keeper and Weale has NEVER done that
accessory Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 1 - The only example you can find of a Championship manager taking over mid-season and winning promotion comes from eight years ago? Shows how easy it is. Roy Keane also did it at Sunderland Look at Warnock taking over QPR toward the tail-end and scarcely improving their position last season, taking in a 4-0 pasting at our place? One pre-season later, funding in the transfer market and hey presto, they're in the Prem. Warnock also has decades of experience in this league, which is more than the mercenary does. 2 - The mercenary? Have you not seen the turnaround from October? The team Sven inherited was unfit, lacking in cohesion, had zero confidence and was bottom of the table. You only have to look at Sheffield United to see what could have happened if we'd got Sousa's replacement wrong. Again though, judge him after a pre-season where he has had the chance to make signings and properly impart his philosophy on the team. Unfit? No confidence or cohesion? Clearly nothing like the side we've seen in recent weeks then.. The performances of Yakubu and Bruma yesterday (which I witnessed and you didn't) suggest the manager's philosophy is already rubbing off on the team.. 3 - He was great under Pearson, no question. Though even then he had a couple of howlers, Derby away anyone? This season he has cost us more points than he has earned us, it's a sad fact but true. The problem is that Weale is many a fan's favourite purely he is one of 'Pearson's men,' I daresay the Anti-Sven Brigade, if we must get into divisions, wouldn't be nearly as forgiving if Ricardo had made the same errors Weale did yesterday and in other games and would be falling over themselves to blame Sven for signing and selecting him. None of our keepers this season have covered themselves with glory. Weale however has been repeatedly knifed - first by Sousa (who preferred the less than convincing Carl Ikeme) and then by his successor. Is it any wonder that Weale's confidence is shot to pieces when he's been dumped in favour of a semi-cripple and then an ageing import with more rust than a Skoda scrapyard?
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