Australia's New South Wales police get new burka powers

[Alexikokopops]

Once again we're behind Australia and France.

This country is embarassing at times

The French and Australia laws are completely different You can't compare them at all

[purpleronnie]

The French and Australia laws are completely different You can't compare them at all

Its just another reason for people to have a go at britain, it seems like a hobby for some.

[Zingari]

I've never understood it when people say, " you can't compare this with that because they are different "

Why not ?Surely the whole idea of making comparisons is to ascertain likenesses and differences.

You can compare absolute anything to anything else to discuss relative merits and drawbacks of each .

There would be no point comparing identical things.

This has nothing to do with the debate though

[Alexikokopops]

I've never understood it when people say, " you can't compare this with that because they are different "

Why not ?Surely the whole idea of making comparisons is to ascertain likenesses and differences.

You can compare absolute anything to anything else to discuss relative merits and drawbacks of each .

There would be no point comparing identical things.

This has nothing to do with the debate though

The reason I did it this time is because he said we're "behind France and Australia". Are we behind in terms of stopping burkhas/niqabs etc. all together, or are we behind in terms of giving police reasonably powers in terms of crime prevention/solution to reasonably ask someone to remove a veil? I was working on the assumption lcfcstu was basically saying "we're behind in de-masking these fuckers once and for all" (that's poetic license, and my fault for generalising, but I was being quick and lazy before work this morning ), in which case it seems odd to lump the two laws together.

If that made sense, I'll be surprised.

[Houdini Logic]

If they're so poor that they currently have to snatch/steal, how do we expect them to be able to buy a whole new wardrobe?

(somewhat fitting emoticon)

[Smudge]

If someone committed a crime in a burqa, how would taking the burqa off help them?

[Zingari]

If someone committed a crime in a burqa, how would taking the burqa off help them?

A policeman can always tell by looking at the face if a person looks shifty or not .

They are trained in this sort of thing , they could always tell that i was guilty of something .

Don't ask me how they do it though

[Smudge]

A policeman can always tell by looking at the face if a person looks shifty or not .

They are trained in this sort of thing , they could always tell that i was guilty of something .

Don't ask me how they do it though

I suppose you're right, My Mum had the same gift.

[Zingari]

I suppose you're right, My Mum had the same gift.

You may have hit on something there . I hadn't seen the connection before .

Maybe all policemen go to mum's training academies to learn how to tell if chummy is telling porkies

I bet my mum told them i always shifted from one foot to other and looked down at the ground when I'd been up to no good .

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Really?

The right to wear what you choose, when you choose, how you choose?

Come off it. That is total bollocks.

Do they let women, even Europeans, walk round the streets of Muslim countries, wearing short skirts or dresses? NO, they bloody well don't!

Well done to France and Australia. :clap:

[Alexikokopops]

Come off it. That is total bollocks.

Do they let women, even Europeans, walk round the streets of Muslim countries, wearing short skirts or dresses? NO, they bloody well don't!

Well done to France and Australia. :clap:

AN EYE FOR AN EYE DANGEROUS TIGER, AN EYE FOR AN EYE!!!!!

[ozleicester]

Come off it. That is total bollocks.

Do they let women, even Europeans, walk round the streets of Muslim countries, wearing short skirts or dresses? NO, they bloody well don't!

Well done to France and Australia. :clap:

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

What's good for the goose, is also good for the gander, old chap.

[ajthefox]

Really?

The right to wear what you choose, when you choose, how you choose?

How does this effect what you can and can't wear?

They're only using this for identification purposes, anyone can still wear what they want, when they choose and how they choose.

And I don't know about you, but I don't get police coming up to me in need of identification to prove innocence/guilt all that often, so I really don't get why you are so opposed to this.

[Alexikokopops]

What's good for the goose, is also good for the gander, old chap.

Look before you leap.

[Zingari]

Look before you leap.

he that hesitates is lost

[ozleicester]

"Many wise words are spoken in jest, but they don’t compare with the number of stupid words spoken in earnest"

With every intrusive law that gets passed, you’ll invariably hear a chorus of “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!”

If this statement were true, you’d never hear of innocent people being harassed or going to jail. You’d never hear of corrupt police. You’d never hear of the wrong house being raided. You’d never hear of people being screwed over because the other guy has a better lawyer and can get away with a fabricated case. You’d never hear of people being harassed by cops simply for the color of their skin or their style of clothing.

There are countless episodes of innocents having their lives ruined or even ended due to a deeply corrupt legal system and vague laws that allow cops to decide for themselves who should be singled out next.

The argument that you are safe as long as you obey the law is the epitome of social ignorance. You have to ignore all of history and current events in order to believe it. You basically have to completely divorce yourself from reality to buy into the idea that the police or government will treat you fairly, and the law will protect you.

When a system becomes very corrupt, every citizen is a victim. Every law that singles out some people eventually ends up affecting far more people than it was intended to. The War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, etc etc, all of these create a system where the police are above the law and every citizen is suspect.

Every law like this that gets passed is another axe chop at the tree of freedom. Sure, it doesn’t look so bad to many people, but it won’t take that many more whacks to make that tree fall.

This is the worst kind of ignorance. It is hypocritical as well, because those who claim to desire freedom the most are the ones who have no issue taking it away from people who are not like them. Sorry, folks, that’s not how freedom works. If any of us do not have the same rights as others of us, then none of us are truly free.

[ozleicester]

He that would have eggs, must endure the cackling

[Zingari]

There's no fool like an old fool

( i know this from experience)

edit;

i've just watched that "Skemz " video and I've changed my mind about this one

[Guest MattP]

Islamic leaders in the state said they were comfortable with the new measure.However, civil liberty groups expressed concern

I think this is an interesting point in the article

Says it all to be honest.

[Guest MattP]

Its just another reason for people to have a go at britain, it seems like a hobby for some.

It's a shame but I can see it, I didnt do much travelling until a few years back, since then I've been all round europe, Oz, USA, China and the more I see of the world the less and less I want to live in Britain.

It really has turned into a quite horrible place. I feel like I'm on the Jeremy Kyle show walking through a lot of town centres here now.

[acooling08]

Our government would never have the balls (or common sense) to put a similar policy into place in the UK.

[Zingari]

Belgian ban on full veils comes into force

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14261921