Death Penalty

[Guest freund]

Let's have an interesting debate for a change.

[toonboy]

no

[Tommy]

Yes

To quote the bible, although I am not a religious man

An eye for an eye, a life for a life

[Guest freund]

no

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[Knightonian]

No.

To quote Budha

An eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind.

[toonboy]

no

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Don't ask yes or no questions then if you don't want yes or no answers!

Someone else dying doesn't help anyone really. Lock them in a room with a toilet and a hole to give them food and never let them out.

[stez]

no, we shouldn't have it because taking a life is never right. whoever takes it.

consistent prison sentences would help though

[C-man]

I believe we should have 'LIFE' imprisonments, not all this, youve got a life sentence but you'll be out in 10 years

Maybe a death penalty for huge crimes, ie persistant terroism, serial murder etc..

[Muz]

Yes we should have the Death penalty. We should also do what the Arabs do , Chop the penis's off of rapists and chop the hands off of thieves. There's no deterrent these days , Life inprisonment means you will get 20 years max and maybe less if your a good boy. Its Bollox the country is a laughing stock.

[Bert]

I'd say no because like Science said it isn't right to take anyone's life no matter who it is and what they have done, BUT if you had lost someone that had been murdered then i think that your view on this would be completly different

[davieG]

no

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123400[/snapback]

Give it rest Freund you come on here day after day posting complete tosh, gibberish and one word abusive insults you then start a topic asking for considered responses on fundamental issue of lie and death and expect to get serious, intelligent educated replies; when some one does reply with a simple to the point response you have the gall to criticise.

Face it you should never, ever expect to be taken seriously on here your reputation for a being complete and utter shit stirring, spam-arse is now well and truly established. Well done, mission completed now give us all a rest put your keyboard and mouse in the nearest skip and come back when you’ve grown out of whatever you’ve become.

[stez]

Yes we should have the Death penalty. We should also do what the Arabs do , Chop the penis's off of rapists and chop the hands off of thieves. There's no deterrent these days , Life inprisonment means you will get 20 years max and maybe less if your a good boy. Its Bollox the country is a laughing stock.

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if that's the deterrent, then why do they still need to do it?

[Anish]

Let's have an interesting debate for a change.

123397[/snapback]

If you want an interesting debate you should really contribute to it yourself with more than one line.

If you can't be arsed to write out a well explained and thought provoking response why should the rest of us?

[Fox Shagger]

No.

To quote Budha

An eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind.

123401[/snapback]

Buddha never said that, Gandhi did!

[toonboy]

No.

To quote Budha

An eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind.

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Buddha never said that, Gandhi did!

123419[/snapback]

To quote Gandhi 'If there’s one thing I know it’s God does love a good joke'

[Guest freund]

no

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Give it rest Freund you come on here day after day posting complete tosh, gibberish and one word abusive insults you then start a topic asking for considered responses on fundamental issue of lie and death and expect to get serious, intelligent educated replies; when some one does reply with a simple to the point response you have the gall to criticise.

Face it you should never, ever expect to be taken seriously on here your reputation for a being complete and utter shit stirring, spam-arse is now well and truly established. Well done, mission completed now give us all a rest put your keyboard and mouse in the nearest skip and come back when you’ve grown out of whatever you’ve become.

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Nice one.

[Guest freund]

Let's have an interesting debate for a change.

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If you want an interesting debate you should really contribute to it yourself with more than one line.

If you can't be arsed to write out a well explained and thought provoking response why should the rest of us?

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Ok, fair enough.

I thought some of the more 'intelligent' posters on this site would have jumped at the chance to have a decent debate for once, whether or not I had asked the questions. I can't see one slightly interesting thread on the front page of General Chat, all there is is happy birthday threads, crap jokes, and shit about games. Utter drivel.

And then you have the gall to come and post that message. There have been a few interesting responses so far, yet you still only come to slate my posts.

Bothered.

[Mark]

*Agrees with Freund in this case*

Just stick to the debate, not the poster who made the thread, it has/had potential to be a good debate, use it?

[Stuliasz]

No...the death penalty is brutal and is the hallmark of an uncivilised society.

[Nationwider]

I can't agree with the death penalty, if only because no justice system is 100% perfect and the potential for people being bumped off when they shouldn't have been is pretty high in this country.

Another pitfall is exactly where to draw the line. Murder full stop? Paedophilia? Just the Shipmans and Sutcliffes of this world? At the end of the day, someone who repeatedly pinches cars and is in and out of jail is as much use to society as a lifer. Them as well?

I think the "eye for an eye" argument is valid in a very simplistic way - why should someone who repeatedly kills, or kills a child, be able to enjoy a place in society? Prisoners do enjoy a place in society - even those with no hope of release. If the taxpayer is paying thousands each year to keep them incarcerated with no hope of release, then in my book, they "have a place in society" albeit indirectly because of the costs involved. They remain a huge burden after the key is thrown away.

A "No" for me, though. Not an easy one. Also, I'd be happy to see us not following the US for once.

[TrickyTrev]

Yes

To quote the bible, although I am not a religious man

An eye for an eye, a life for a life

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"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" Is the actual phrase. The bible also says "Thall shall not kill" and "he without sin may cast the first stone." You can take from it whatever you will. It is a mass of contradiction.

My view. 75% of murders are unplanned and in the heat of the moment, the death penalty will act as no detterent in these cases. I am fairly surely the VAST majority are explained by mental illness and/or a complete contempt for the law. In other words it would not be an effective detterent.

I also don't believe that the legal system should be used for 'revenge.' State Barbarism does not right the wrongs of human behaviour.

[FNQ]

Ofcourse not. Barbaric.

[Guest]

No, simply because once the offender is dead, that's it; where's the punishment, we all die at some point. Yet the victims, and/or their familes have to live with the consequences.

I would make prison more of a deterrent than what it is now. Take away the privileges that offenders get. If they have turned over a new leaf, and want to train for a career, do it after the sentence is complete, and not at my expense. TV's in cells? I don't think so.

You used to have to pay towards your incarceration; cruel, but fair if you ask me.

[FNQ]

No, simply because once the offender is dead, that's it; where's the punishment, we all die at some point.  Yet the victims, and/or their familes have to live with the consequences.

I would make prison more of a deterrent than what it is now.  Take away the privileges that offenders get.  If they have turned over a new leaf, and want to train for a career, do it after the sentence is complete, and not at my expense.  TV's in cells?  I don't think so.

You used to have to pay towards your incarceration; cruel, but fair if you ask me.

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Surely cruelty is never fair?

[stez]

No, simply because once the offender is dead, that's it; where's the punishment, we all die at some point.  Yet the victims, and/or their familes have to live with the consequences.

I would make prison more of a deterrent than what it is now.  Take away the privileges that offenders get.  If they have turned over a new leaf, and want to train for a career, do it after the sentence is complete, and not at my expense.  TV's in cells?  I don't think so.

You used to have to pay towards your incarceration; cruel, but fair if you ask me.

123879[/snapback]

the loss of prisoners freedom is supposed to be the punishment and there after prison is supposed to reform them. i would prefer someone who had 'turned over a new leaf' to receive an education in prison and at least they have something to use when they are released.