Mystery of WTC 7 - Conspiracy

[Legend_in_blue]

When you are on a plane on holiday and see the sun, is it whizzing bye you, or just a slow moving blob on the horizon? I'll answer, It's a blob.

When you are in the sky on a plane, do you feel like you are whizzing around at 500mph out of control? I'll answer. No, you feel like you're hardly moving.

IF they couldn't read instruments (I can read them on my old flight sims) then it would take an hour or so on the net to work out where in relation to your target the sun would roughly be at that time of day. Or even the compass direction you need to be heading.

This is pretty basic stuff and you are trying to make it sound harder than it is. Your comparison is absolutely nothing like what we are discussing. They are not taking off, landing, flying 10,000 miles. They are looking at a compass and pointing it in the right direction.

This is true but as you get nearer and nearer to the ground the sensation you describe would be heading towards the opposite of that.

The flight path took the plane right over the freeway, across the lush, green lawn at a height of roughly 10 feet no more above the ground. I could understand it if flown at a speed similar to this...

But at 500mph? It's extremely difficult to comprehend how it's possible to pull off a manoeuvre like this at such a speed.

[Rincewind]

What did they find in the wreckage? Dummies? Or did the military round a few people up then kill them off?

[jonno24]

What did they find in the wreckage? Dummies? Or did the military round a few people up then kill them off?

They did find bodies but nowhere near enough to suggest that a commercial airliner crashed into the building.

Also the fact that they found a passport belonging to a guy who wasnt even on the flight in near perfect condition. Coupled with the authorities refusal to release the footage that will once and for all clear up the question of wether a plane or a missile crashed into the pentagon.

People have to understand that alot of people have alot of questions about the 'official' story.

[Babylon]

This is true but as you get nearer and nearer to the ground the sensation you describe would be heading towards the opposite of that.

But I am talking about when they aren't near the ground, he was making out that because of the speeds it's come how impossible to work out a rough course. When if anything it would all seem quite calm and still up there even going at 500mph.

If they tried it another 100 times maybe they would crash 50 times who knows. The point is that it's nowhere near as impossible as he and others would like to have people believe. I've got a trained pilot sat next to me and he says the same.

[Zingari]

this is quite a long film released by pilots for 911 truth and well watching all the way through , but i suggest if you just want an interesting taster fast forward to approx 38 minutes and watch for about 10 mins or so as the 911Commission report data and official NTSB animation are compared

[Babylon]

People have to understand that alot of people have alot of questions about the 'official' story.

Perhaps these people should start providing some evidence, because so far not one little piece has been given that cannot be explained in a perfectly rational way.

[Rincewind]

They did find bodies but nowhere near enough to suggest that a commercial airliner crashed into the building.

Also the fact that they found a passport belonging to a guy who wasnt even on the flight in near perfect condition. Coupled with the authorities refusal to release the footage that will once and for all clear up the question of wether a plane or a missile crashed into the pentagon.

People have to understand that alot of people have alot of questions about the 'official' story.

I would take a guess that there were a few body parts that could not be recognized after being disintergrated, There would be a passenger list and unless passengers listed started to return home it would have to be assumed that they were one of the victims. Unless of course they were abducted by aliens..

The passport could have belonged to a relative, or somebody traveling on a false passport. I doubt just a single passport in good condition would be planted if the passenger list was fasified.

No doubt there is a good reason for not releasing footage. Going by previous posts there was no clear footage of the plane hitting the building so releasing it would serve no pupose than stir the truthers up more who would sk why isnt it clear. There is no evidence to suggest that the plane that left the airport landed elsewhere passengers taken off and returned home or secretly murdered by government officials and the bodies disposed of in a secret location. That only happens in Hollywood.

[marko]

They did find bodies but nowhere near enough to suggest that a commercial airliner crashed into the building.

Also the fact that they found a passport belonging to a guy who wasnt even on the flight in near perfect condition. Coupled with the authorities refusal to release the footage that will once and for all clear up the question of wether a plane or a missile crashed into the pentagon.

People have to understand that alot of people have alot of questions about the 'official' story.

Where's your evidence?

So let me get this straight, the nasty US Government planned and pulled off this attack but shot themselves in the foot by putting a passport in the wreckage of someone who's alive elsewhere?! Don't be so ridiculous!!! It's about as valid a claim as el empty's "the hijackers are still alive".

With regard to the apparent lack of bodies. On high speed impact the human body is like a water ballon, sort of explodes into small pieces.

[Rincewind]

yep A plane shaped hole and now people that reshape after being torn apart. Loony Tunes/Tom and Jerry terrotory I think.

[Dr The Singh]

Where's your evidence?

So let me get this straight, the nasty US Government planned and pulled off this attack but shot themselves in the foot by putting a passport in the wreckage of someone who's alive elsewhere?! Don't be so ridiculous!!! It's about as valid a claim as el empty's "the hijackers are still alive".

With regard to the apparent lack of bodies. On high speed impact the human body is like a water ballon, sort of explodes into small pieces.

Exactly, if you were to plan a conspiracy, you and your team would make sure, 100% that there are no 'plot' holes, errors, etc. The USA has the money, power and skills to ensure that there would be no chance or very little of such ridiculious claims to conspiracy!!!

[Houdini Logic]

Exactly, if you were to plan a conspiracy, you and your team would make sure, 100% that there are no 'plot' holes, errors, etc. The USA has the money, power and skills to ensure that there would be no chance or very little of such ridiculious claims to conspiracy!!!

How very, very true.

All the people saying 'but it wasn't an American Airline plane - the colours were wrong'... ffs!

[Zingari]

Exactly, if you were to plan a conspiracy, you and your team would make sure, 100% that there are no 'plot' holes, errors, etc. The USA has the money, power and skills to ensure that there would be no chance or very little of such ridiculious claims to conspiracy!!!

So we have no problem accepting the incompetence of a US government stupid enough to get caught out by 19 terrorists hijacking 4 planes with 3 hitting targets in the most protected airspace in the world , but the very same government could not possibly be stupid enough to make minor errors in the details and execution of the same plan ?

Have I got this straight ?

[marko]

So we have no problem accepting a US government stupid enough to get caught out by 19 terrorists hijacking 4 planes with 3 hitting targets in the most protected airspace in the world , but the very same government could not possibly be stupid enough to make minor errors in the details and execution of the same plan ?

Have I got this straight ?

Yes, yes you have.

Being caught out by determined, well organised terrorists is a bit different to planting a living persons passport at a crash site.

Could someone please provide hard evidence of this passport.

[Zingari]

Yes, yes you have.

Being caught out by determined, well organised terrorists is a bit different to planting a living persons passport at a crash site.

Could someone please provide hard evidence of this passport.

are you talking about Al Suqami's passport ?

it's common knowledge isn't it that his passport was found at the WTC scene?

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound

[Dr The Singh]

So we have no problem accepting the incompetence of a US government stupid enough to get caught out by 19 terrorists hijacking 4 planes with 3 hitting targets in the most protected airspace in the world , but the very same government could not possibly be stupid enough to make minor errors in the details and execution of the same plan ?

Have I got this straight ?

Totally different scenario, here, I can imagine the US government allowing and aiding the terrorist for this to happen, I can also believe they actually planted the idea with Al-Queda. But also I can believe intelligence agencies and security forces not having the ability to defend there air space from civilian aircraft. As the event was unprecidented, and unknown, and effectively so unimagineable. This ws not a conventional scenario or enemy attack, and the rules of engagement etc although planning for such attack maybe thought of and protocol discussed, does not compute on the level of being able to react quick enough.

I don't believe inthe nonsense of drones, missiles on bottom of the plane, explosives in buildings, as the evidence is too nonconclusive and experts in those areas would not make those mistakes. These are not the same experts protecting attacks from planes who require vigilance, but experts who are on the oppposite scale, who undercover have an easier task in applying skill, tactics and decisive well thought strategy!!

[marko]

are you talking about Al Suqami's passport ?

it's common knowledge isn't it that his passport was found at the WTC scene?

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound

No, these claims are about a passport found at the Pentagon.

[Zingari]

Totally different scenario, here, I can imagine the US government allowing and aiding the terrorist for this to happen, I can also believe they actually planted the idea with Al-Queda. But also I can believe intelligence agencies and security forces not having the ability to defend there air space from civilian aircraft. As the event was unprecidented, and unknown, and effectively so unimagineable. This ws not a conventional scenario or enemy attack, and the rules of engagement etc although planning for such attack maybe thought of and protocol discussed, does not compute on the level of being able to react quick enough.

I don't believe inthe nonsense of drones, missiles on bottom of the plane, explosives in buildings, as the evidence is too nonconclusive and experts in those areas would not make those mistakes. These are not the same experts protecting attacks from planes who require vigilance, but experts who are on the oppposite scale, who undercover have an easier task in applying skill, tactics and decisive well thought strategy!!

if it was so unimaginable , why were they doing training excercises on the very same day regarding the very same scenario ?

exercises such as "vigilant guardian" etc etc

[Zingari]

No, these claims are about a passport found at the Pentagon.

ah sorry i missed that one, don't know anything about that

[Dr The Singh]

if it was so unimaginable , why were they doing training excercises on the very same day regarding the very same scenario ?

exercises such as "vigilant guardian" etc etc

In my job we do training regarding all sorts of shit, we call it disaster recovery, and I know no-one actually takes it seriously, as we don't expect such things to happen..........it's something what humans are sometimes,..................complacent!!!!!!

[marko]

if it was so unimaginable , why were they doing training excercises on the very same day regarding the very same scenario ?

exercises such as "vigilant guardian" etc etc

Now put it in context.

This was one scenario in a long, long of scenarios planned out. Also, in Vigilant Guardian they were not looking for domestic bomb attacks were they? No, they were looking to attacks from the Soviet Union in a Cold War scenario. I'm sure you'll also want to add that the US' defence system wasn't trained to look for attacks from domestic flights either.

[Zingari]

Now put it in context.

This was one scenario in a long, long of scenarios planned out. Also, in Vigilant Guardian they were not looking for domestic bomb attacks were they? No, they were looking to attacks from the Soviet Union in a Cold War scenario. I'm sure you'll also want to add that the US' defence system wasn't trained to look for attacks from domestic flights either.

norad did a training exercise a year before regarding a plane attack on the city , so it really cannot be considered " unimaginable"

http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2010/07/norad-exercise-year-before-911.html

that's all i was saying

[marko]

norad did a training exercise a year before regarding a plane attack on the city , so it really cannot be considered " unimaginable"

http://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2010/07/norad-exercise-year-before-911.html

that's all i was saying

Yes, I know. Do you not relaise that Vigilant Guardian is a twice yearly routine exercise. No one has ever denied it's unimaginable, but the source of the attack has never been domestic in the exercise and always a Cold War type scenario.

[Zingari]

Yes, I know. Do you not relaise that Vigilant Guardian is a twice yearly routine exercise. No one has ever denied it's unimaginable, but the source of the attack has never been domestic in the exercise and always a Cold War type scenario.

condaleesa rice, george bush and doc singh all said it was "unimaginable"

so rice and bush at least must have been lying

doc singh may have just been misled in the fug of war

[marko]

condaleesa rice, george bush and doc singh all said it was "unimaginable"

Well at that time a DOMESTIC attack was unimaginable due to their arrogance and slack security checks - it was more like catching a bus than a plane.

[Dr The Singh]

condaleesa rice, george bush and doc singh all said it was "unimaginable"

so rice and bush at least must have been lying

doc singh may have just been misled in the fug of war

You getting laid is 'unimaginable' but you still prepare for it, and it very rarely happens!!!!!!