samuel Posted 1 September 2011 Posted 1 September 2011 That man Thracian speaks a whole lotta sense.... The problem with young kids that don't agree is that they rate games on how many hideous pairs of coloured boots are on show and how they fare on FM..
cornish fox Posted 1 September 2011 Posted 1 September 2011 There is no evidence of coaching, Sven is a chequebook manager - He had good success at Gothenberg, but everywhere else he's massively outspent the competition, all it is is sign players who he thinks are expensive enough to not need coaching & they'll figure it out on the pitch themselves, & if it doesn't work replace those players with dearer ones. Other than his faves of course who he sticks with no matter how badly their outcomes are. Fullbacks don't know what to do, unsure as to whether they're supposed to be tucking in to keep things tight, or flying forward to add desperately needed width Centreback pairing (no matter who it is) play like complete strangers and have done ever since Sven joined us - it was hidden for a while because Sousa messed us up so badly, but Sven's has been here more than long enough to take responsibility for his complete ineptness at the back Middle, a load of broadly similar players who on paper are great going forward, but in reality don't seem as effective as they were before Sven got his hands on them - and we all know how ineffective they are when the opposition are attacking Out wide - NOTHING except for the occasional mazey run by Vassell who gets pushed out there by defenders, he also lacks any ability whatsoever to cross which is obviously why defenders allow him to run there. the lack of width also means opposing wingers & fullbacks can push on without any problems whatsoever, putting us under even more pressure Up front - A variety of players who on paper should be able to form a pairing with skills that compliment each other, Gally the wiley creater for a goalscorer like Nuge/Schlupp/vassell, the bigman/small man with Howard + 1, the fast schlupp/vassell with a hard worker Nuge, there is lots of combination, but almost no evidence that any of these players every play together outside of the 90mins on matchdays In fact there's hardly any evidence anywhere on the pitch that any of the team play together outside of the matchday 90mins Sven is a disaster for us, his success at Gotherberg was great yes, but the bulk of his success at Lazio was bought... and as for England, he had a squad which should of got to championship finals, or at least semi-final after semi-final and he didn't, we only look back reasonably fondly on Sven's time in charge because Capello makes him look like the best thing since sliced bread. has Sven bought enough players to force promotion despite his weaknesses? Possibly, but a lot of defeats will come our way against sides which play as a unit If Faz is our coach, then he is failing massively which by default means Sven is failing massively. We need a defensive coach urgently who can coach players how to perform as a unit, by that I mean (just one example, there are obviously hundreds of situation ona pitch which should be coached on the training ground) when the opposition is attacking down a flank, the players should automatically know where to fallback to - at the moment they are 6's & 7's with no one knowing who to pick up, where to stand and have been for a year Our set-pieces are a laughing stock, we have nothing either attacking or defending them - It's embarrassing - again this is an example of coaching, or lackthereof Sorry for rambling, but I'm fuming that we could balls this up, thanks to glaring errors on the coaching side of things that all but the most blinkered of fanboy can see, surely? we have the players to be in the top 3 or 4, easily - but off the pitch we are lacking. massively I don't want to be old fashioned but do you really expect someone to take a team like Lazio to great success (beating the likes of AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus etc etc) without spending money? These are the same clubs that spent world record fees on the very best world stars before Real Madrid started buying them. That's like saying Jose Mourino is crap because he spent money. So, he's had great success in Sweden with not much money, great success in Italy with not as much money as his rivals, great success in Portugal with no more money than his rivals... need I go on? The second most successful England manager ever (depending on what stats you use to define "success"). Certainly far more successful than the other managers who had largely the same players. To say he is a disaster for us is surely going a little bit far? We have bought better than I have ever seen us buy before, we have the best manager we've had since I've been a supporter (and that's since well before MON by the way) we have seemingly the best owners we've had for as long as I can remember. We've had an average start to the season (a country mile better than last year though!) but there is a lot of the season left to go... I'm not saying that everything is perfect and of course supporters will always moan but some of your comments are ludicrous. I for one am more excited to be a Leicester fan than I've been for ages. In fact, thinking about it, the last time I was this excited about Leicester was when we last qualified for Europe Get behind Sven, we really could be at the beginning of something fantastic for our club.
cornish fox Posted 1 September 2011 Posted 1 September 2011 Hmm, as this is your only post i'm not sure if you're a WUM or not, I really hope so for your sake. Anyway, i'll have a little bite regardless, as even if you are trolling I have seen too many posts like this on the site. Fans seem to have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that during our transfer windows we would be picking up free transfers from Rochdale, taking on over-the-hill journeymen looking for one last payday, or chancing it with youngsters deemed not good enough for other clubs. We now have: Rich ambitious owners, who want to invest into the club, not only on the playing staff but also on the Commercial & Marketing side to make us into a "bigger club" An International-class manager, who has won more trophies alone in his career than our club has in it's existence A squad packed with quality players that is better than any squad we have had in the last 5-6 years, especially now that the one missing ingredient (a top striker) has been added A genuine ambition to get promoted, and a team that is improving game on game Our start to the season has seen us comfortably progress through two rounds of the league cup, pick up 4 points from 6 on the road (would have been 6 from 6 barring a dodgy penalty/moments of madness from keepers at Forest) and win our last home game against the top of the league side who will definitely be in the promotion mix this season. Yes we lost a couple of home games against Reading and Bristol City, but that is 2 games from 46. Hitting form at the start of the season isn't important. We're in 10th place now and only 6 points off the top for goodness sake. Given that the team was almost entirely new players it was always going to take some time for them to gel. Time that we DO have in this league. The most glaringly obvious problem to me in our games this season has been that we tend to invite too much pressure onto ourselves as we haven't had an "out ball", due to not having a striker who can play with his back to goal and hold the ball up. The last 30 minutes against Southampton was so tense because Vassell had ran himself into the ground and neither he nor Schlupp are "target men" in any sense of the word, so the ball kept coming straight back whenever we cleared it. The management have addressed this now and signed Beckford, who is a tall strong forward who can hold up the ball, and will also give us an added goal threat and a touch of creativity too. He'll link brilliantly with Nugent. Call me a "fanboy" all you want, but it seems pretty clear to me that the glass is very much half-full right now and this is a great time to be a Leicester fan. That doesn't mean the club are beyond criticism from anybody, but to go to the lengths that you have is frankly disturbing. Keep the blue flag flying high. Drat, wish I'd seen this post before I replied! Good post sir!
Father Ted Posted 1 September 2011 Posted 1 September 2011 There is no evidence of coaching, Sven is a chequebook manager - He had good success at Gothenberg, but everywhere else he's massively outspent the competition, all it is is sign players who he thinks are expensive enough to not need coaching & they'll figure it out on the pitch themselves, & if it doesn't work replace those players with dearer ones. Other than his faves of course who he sticks with no matter how badly their outcomes are. Fullbacks don't know what to do, unsure as to whether they're supposed to be tucking in to keep things tight, or flying forward to add desperately needed width Centreback pairing (no matter who it is) play like complete strangers and have done ever since Sven joined us - it was hidden for a while because Sousa messed us up so badly, but Sven's has been here more than long enough to take responsibility for his complete ineptness at the back Middle, a load of broadly similar players who on paper are great going forward, but in reality don't seem as effective as they were before Sven got his hands on them - and we all know how ineffective they are when the opposition are attacking Out wide - NOTHING except for the occasional mazey run by Vassell who gets pushed out there by defenders, he also lacks any ability whatsoever to cross which is obviously why defenders allow him to run there. the lack of width also means opposing wingers & fullbacks can push on without any problems whatsoever, putting us under even more pressure Up front - A variety of players who on paper should be able to form a pairing with skills that compliment each other, Gally the wiley creater for a goalscorer like Nuge/Schlupp/vassell, the bigman/small man with Howard + 1, the fast schlupp/vassell with a hard worker Nuge, there is lots of combination, but almost no evidence that any of these players every play together outside of the 90mins on matchdays In fact there's hardly any evidence anywhere on the pitch that any of the team play together outside of the matchday 90mins Sven is a disaster for us, his success at Gotherberg was great yes, but the bulk of his success at Lazio was bought... and as for England, he had a squad which should of got to championship finals, or at least semi-final after semi-final and he didn't, we only look back reasonably fondly on Sven's time in charge because Capello makes him look like the best thing since sliced bread. has Sven bought enough players to force promotion despite his weaknesses? Possibly, but a lot of defeats will come our way against sides which play as a unit If Faz is our coach, then he is failing massively which by default means Sven is failing massively. We need a defensive coach urgently who can coach players how to perform as a unit, by that I mean (just one example, there are obviously hundreds of situation ona pitch which should be coached on the training ground) when the opposition is attacking down a flank, the players should automatically know where to fallback to - at the moment they are 6's & 7's with no one knowing who to pick up, where to stand and have been for a year Our set-pieces are a laughing stock, we have nothing either attacking or defending them - It's embarrassing - again this is an example of coaching, or lackthereof Sorry for rambling, but I'm fuming that we could balls this up, thanks to glaring errors on the coaching side of things that all but the most blinkered of fanboy can see, surely? we have the players to be in the top 3 or 4, easily - but off the pitch we are lacking. massively I had to reply to this as it seems to have caused a stir and I actually sort of agree with it. Firstly, imo when we ****ed up towards the end of last season, a large amount of blame should be put on sven. He continued to play dicks like bruma and van Aanholt whilst we leaked goals and players like Vitor and Mee were rotting on the bench after solid performances. Secondly, who plays 4 centre midfielders in one team? Thirdly, sven and Levein must be the only managers in the world to play 4-5-1 at home. Fourthly, switching to 4-5-1 at half time vs soton highlighted yet again that he wont learn from his mistakes time and time again. He has set up a good squad and a good future but is he the man to take us through that? Im not so sure. I guess its a blessing his contracts up at the end of the season.
Kitchandro Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 There is no evidence of coaching, Sven is a chequebook manager - He had good success at Gothenberg, but everywhere else he's massively outspent the competition, all it is is sign players who he thinks are expensive enough to not need coaching & they'll figure it out on the pitch themselves, & if it doesn't work replace those players with dearer ones. Other than his faves of course who he sticks with no matter how badly their outcomes are. Fullbacks don't know what to do, unsure as to whether they're supposed to be tucking in to keep things tight, or flying forward to add desperately needed width Centreback pairing (no matter who it is) play like complete strangers and have done ever since Sven joined us - it was hidden for a while because Sousa messed us up so badly, but Sven's has been here more than long enough to take responsibility for his complete ineptness at the back Middle, a load of broadly similar players who on paper are great going forward, but in reality don't seem as effective as they were before Sven got his hands on them - and we all know how ineffective they are when the opposition are attacking Out wide - NOTHING except for the occasional mazey run by Vassell who gets pushed out there by defenders, he also lacks any ability whatsoever to cross which is obviously why defenders allow him to run there. the lack of width also means opposing wingers & fullbacks can push on without any problems whatsoever, putting us under even more pressure Up front - A variety of players who on paper should be able to form a pairing with skills that compliment each other, Gally the wiley creater for a goalscorer like Nuge/Schlupp/vassell, the bigman/small man with Howard + 1, the fast schlupp/vassell with a hard worker Nuge, there is lots of combination, but almost no evidence that any of these players every play together outside of the 90mins on matchdays In fact there's hardly any evidence anywhere on the pitch that any of the team play together outside of the matchday 90mins Sven is a disaster for us, his success at Gotherberg was great yes, but the bulk of his success at Lazio was bought... and as for England, he had a squad which should of got to championship finals, or at least semi-final after semi-final and he didn't, we only look back reasonably fondly on Sven's time in charge because Capello makes him look like the best thing since sliced bread. has Sven bought enough players to force promotion despite his weaknesses? Possibly, but a lot of defeats will come our way against sides which play as a unit If Faz is our coach, then he is failing massively which by default means Sven is failing massively. We need a defensive coach urgently who can coach players how to perform as a unit, by that I mean (just one example, there are obviously hundreds of situation ona pitch which should be coached on the training ground) when the opposition is attacking down a flank, the players should automatically know where to fallback to - at the moment they are 6's & 7's with no one knowing who to pick up, where to stand and have been for a year Our set-pieces are a laughing stock, we have nothing either attacking or defending them - It's embarrassing - again this is an example of coaching, or lackthereof Sorry for rambling, but I'm fuming that we could balls this up, thanks to glaring errors on the coaching side of things that all but the most blinkered of fanboy can see, surely? we have the players to be in the top 3 or 4, easily - but off the pitch we are lacking. massively I don't disagree with some of your criticisms but I think saying Sven is a disaster for us is way over the top. Sousa was a disaster, Sven has improved on him. We do seem to have a lot of very good individuals (minus a winger and perhaps a centre back) but we do not seem to be very organised at all. I remember last season players were saying 'he just tells us to go out and express ourselves'. Well it looks like that's the case when I'm watching them, and this isn't a good thing. There doesn't seem to be any meticulous planning and players do not look like they know their roles. For example the midfield, who are the defensive players? At first I thought it was Fernandes, but sometimes Wellens is lying deeper, and sometimes they're all in the same place, or just running around like headless chickens. Even Danns, for the majority of the time, has just sprinted around trying to get stuck in, and King is still going missing for large chunks. The fullbacks, especially Konchesky, never seem to have much support whether they are trying to defend or find someone to pass to. Movement off the ball is very poor. This is not a question of gelling, movement should be the first thing that happens, then, before a team has 'gelled' properly, passes may often not get completed because players aren't on the same wavelength. But the movement has to be good in the first place or you've got no chance. I was hoping that with good individuals a passing and moving game would be developed, but whilst that is the only thing Sousa got right, he got it right very quickly - Sven has been a year and I'm still not seeing it. Of course I'm not suggesting Sousa was any good, but if he could get poorer individuals passing and moving why can't we do it with this lot? Meanwhile Norwich and Swansea have overtaken us by playing that very kind of football. On Saturday, having switched to the diamond and seemingly finally getting it, he switched back to 4-3-3/4-5-1 when we were 3-1 up, and completely gave up the decent football we were playing in the first half. These kind of tactical screw ups worry me, it nearly cost us 2 points, whereas in the first half we matched Southampton and were 2 goals up. I don't think we'll completely fail this season but Sven strikes me as tactically inept, if he brings in a bit more pace in the form of a winger on loan I think it may compensate for other shortcomings. But I can't see us finishing in the top 2, top 6 is looking more realistic at the moment.
B52 Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Well, now is the "team" settled and we don't expect any major changes. Now you will see how Sven will do. Before it was a waiting game with nervous players. Let the season start....
marbelladave Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Kitch......good post..... Sven is an excellent manager of a type. Great at the big picture, he is more of a footballing 'General Manager' in that he creates the environment In which the club plays it's football. He seems to know everybody, most of whom have great respect for him, he's good with the owners, the media and the perfect man to 'set the tone'. What is needed is a first team coach, to do all the nitty gritty work in training, then prepare, set up and send out the team where every single player knows his job and exactly what is expected of him. At present it appears he is leaving far too much to chance, as noted above, far to many of our players are either doing the wrong job or do not even know what their job is. I do not believe this is anything to do with our new players 'gelling', it's more fundamental than that, in my view it is a basic lack of structure and tactics and it's fooking us up......
Babylon Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 In fact there's hardly any evidence anywhere on the pitch that any of the team play together outside of the matchday 90mins Did you not stop to think for one moment that it may be because they haven't actually played together that much yet? You're rubbishing how they are playing together but only seem to have given them a handful of games to click and get to know each other. Answer me this, in the last four league games has there or has there not been an improvement in each game (even if just a slight amount)? Sven has his failings, but your post is so ridiculously over the top any decent points you make lose all credibility.
thybluefox Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Did you not stop to think for one moment that it may be because they haven't actually played together that much yet? You're rubbishing how they are playing together but only seem to have given them a handful of games to click and get to know each other. Answer me this, in the last four league games has there or has there not been an improvement in each game (even if just a slight amount)? Sven has his failings, but your post is so ridiculously over the top any decent points you make lose all credibility. Spot on Babs. We've consistently improved in every game so far. Some of the points in this thread are valid, but a lot of them are over the top for this time of the season. We would benefit from more experienced coaching staff, but thats not to say we're screwed without them.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Did you not stop to think for one moment that it may be because they haven't actually played together that much yet? You're rubbishing how they are playing together but only seem to have given them a handful of games to click and get to know each other. Answer me this, in the last four league games has there or has there not been an improvement in each game (even if just a slight amount)? Sven has his failings, but your post is so ridiculously over the top any decent points you make lose all credibility. This exactly...
marbelladave Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Did you not stop to think for one moment that it may be because they haven't actually played together that much yet? You're rubbishing how they are playing together but only seem to have given them a handful of games to click and get to know each other. Answer me this, in the last four league games has there or has there not been an improvement in each game (even if just a slight amount)? Sven has his failings, but your post is so ridiculously over the top any decent points you make lose all credibility. I think people are well aware how few games this team have played together which is all the more reason to expect that the side has, at the very least, a basic structure that means that even the new players know what is required of them. I see no sign of this whatsoever..... If the players were getting the basics right I would be much more confident in our play improving as the players 'click and get to know each other'. And no, there has not been any real improvement. Our standard of play has been almost entirely random with good spells in every game except perhaps Bristol. In fact our second half displays against Forest and Southampton were as poor as anything this season.
RumbleFox Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 we need to edit filter>position-coach>reputation-world class and see who's available. I say bring in Steve Gritt and Kit Carson.
General Smuts Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 I would love Tony Adams to come in as coach, he worked well with Redknapp at Pompey and he's always going to Europe to better himself. Alongside Sven and Faz he could be brilliant and would help our defence work as a unit. Surely he's a bit busy with Deon Burton in Uzbekistan?
Babylon Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 I think people are well aware how few games this team have played together which is all the more reason to expect that the side has, at the very least, a basic structure that means that even the new players know what is required of them. I see no sign of this whatsoever..... If the players were getting the basics right I would be much more confident in our play improving as the players 'click and get to know each other'. Well we seemed to get "the basics" right against Saints and Forest in large chunks. Would you say that Southampton weren't getting the basics right seeing as we put them to the sword in the first half? Perhaps you should go and tell them how rubbish they and their manager are for not getting the basics right. And no, there has not been any real improvement. Our standard of play has been almost entirely random with good spells in every game except perhaps Bristol. In fact our second half displays against Forest and Southampton were as poor as anything this season. What a crock, Reading we were garbage all game, Bristol we had some better spells, Forest we were in control for 50/60 minutes and against saints we were in control for 45 minutes (against a much better team than forest). L L D W = improving. Were it not for Sven making two poor decisions against Forest and Saints we may well have been a lot more comfortable. If you don't think the Forest or Saints games were an improvement on the Reading and Bristol games then it says a lot about your judgement.
marbelladave Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Well we seemed to get "the basics" right against Saints and Forest in large chunks. Would you say that Southampton weren't getting the basics right seeing as we put them to the sword in the first half? Perhaps you should go and tell them how rubbish they and their manager are for not getting the basics right. What a crock, Reading we were garbage all game, Bristol we had some better spells, Forest we were in control for 50/60 minutes and against saints we were in control for 45 minutes (against a much better team than forest). L L D W = improving. Were it not for Sven making two poor decisions against Forest and Saints we may well have been a lot more comfortable. If you don't think the Forest or Saints games were an improvement on the Reading and Bristol games then it says a lot about your judgement. Against Forest we were good for about the first half hour, mediocre for the rest of the first half and woefull second half. Southampton was pretty much the same and could easily have lost two of the three points. We showed a bit more determination that day, but that was really the only improvement I saw. Southampton do get the basics right, which is why a side still containing a fair few "League 1" players are doing far better than us this season.... Reading and Bristol were both pretty poor performances, though I thought our play against a decent Reading side was marginally better than our abject performance against Bristol. So no, no consistent improvement. My opinion, as always.
Babylon Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 Southampton do get the basics right, which is why a side still containing a fair few "League 1" players are doing far better than us this season.... The game was split 50/50. So why are they classed as getting them right and we are not in that game? Southampton have had well over a year with many of the same player to get use to each other. Our team has been together for 5 games. Did you not read the Southampton fans post a week or so back about how they started off looking disjointed and like a team that didn't know each other when they first bought in all the players? They didn't all just turn up one day and start playing like they did in the second half against us! If you think the only difference between the southampton game and the reading/bristol games was a bit of determination then there is no point in even talking to you about it because to me that's an unbelievable assessment of the games.
marbelladave Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 The game was split 50/50. So why are they classed as getting them right and we are not in that game? Southampton have had well over a year with many of the same player to get use to each other. Our team has been together for 5 games. Did you not read the Southampton fans post a week or so back about how they started off looking disjointed and like a team that didn't know each other when they first bought in all the players? They didn't all just turn up one day and start playing like they did in the second half against us! If you think the only difference between the southampton game and the reading/bristol games was a bit of determination then there is no point in even talking to you about it because to me that's an unbelievable assessment of the games. One last time. We bossed the first 30 minutes or so against Southampton for one simple reason, the energy of Danns and Fernandez in the (semi) wide positions. At 2-0 their grip on the game slipped and Southampton were the better and the dominant side thereafter. Once this happened, we really did not have a clue, no forward threat apart from a goal we did not deserve and should not have been given, our midfield was in chaos and totally ineffective in defence and we managed to hang to the points due to some excellent work from Schmeichel and that goal. As for what Southampton fans say, just look at their results this season, then look at ours, says it all really. As for our improvement, I think that has come about because Danns, Fernandez and Nugent (in the main) have, largely as individuals, started to play more impressively. I see nothing in our organisation or team play to suggest that we are improving game on game. In fact I would go as far as to say (again) that our team play, second half against Southampton was as poor as we have played this season. Agree or disagree it's your choice, this is merely my opinion.
wellyfox Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 I would love Tony Adams to come in as coach, he worked well with Redknapp at Pompey and he's always going to Europe to better himself. Alongside Sven and Faz he could be brilliant and would help our defence work as a unit. If nothing else be a great piss up team bonding night :whistle: :whistle:
Koke Posted 2 September 2011 Posted 2 September 2011 We need another dead ball specialist because Gallagher is looking too slow and inconsistent to be the permanent incumbent. I'd really be looking to someone like King, who is potentially accurate, to evolve into that job, or perhaps even Wellens (or both) but, again, coaching, imagination and practice will be the key. Gallagher is consistently inconsistent. His dead balls, which are supposedly his best asset, have turned into hit & miss. He seem to be well capable of smashing a free kick into the top corner from 25 yards, but often his corners are absolute gash. Add that to the fact that he has no real position. His versatility is his downfall. Why are his corners so shit when his free kicks are so good?
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