z-layrex Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 isn't this better? I think so and I'm a non-believer. "When tensions do arise we can call upon one wnother and work together to get over the tensions". There wouldn't be any tensions if it weren't for their moronic, senseless, fairytale religions.
Houdini Logic Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 "When tensions do arise we can call upon one wnother and work together to get over the tensions". There wouldn't be any tensions if it weren't for their moronic, senseless, fairytale religions. Amusingly I could just about post my last post again....
z-layrex Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 Amusingly I could just about post my last post again.... Give it up, nice guys aren't that nice. Religion is the root of a good portion of the evil in this world, I don't care how nice the different 'communities' are trying to be to each other, if their stone age superstitions didn't exist then the world would be a vastly better place.
Houdini Logic Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 Give it up, nice guys aren't that nice. Religion is the root of a good portion of the evil in this world, I don't care how nice the different 'communities' are trying to be to each other, if their stone age superstitions didn't exist then the world would be a vastly better place. I'm guessing you didn't understand me. Maybe it worked better in my head...
Rincewind Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 Why is it against their religion to give to charity? I am sure theire are many Muslims that give up their time to help those less fortunate than themselves. And I am not religious. I just believe that people are what they are because of what they are and they probably be the same without their religion. They just need confirmation that they are doing the right thing. I do not need confirmation and if I do wrong I will do my punishment while I'm still alive. I believe we all have humanity and good values inside us some more than others and at different levels.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 You are right. I had a colleague who was a white Muslim. Lovely guy, but against hid religion to give to charity. Turned down children with cancer, but regularly paid towards his religion. Say no more. That's absolute sh!t. One of the 'five pillars' of Islam is Zakah. This will explain it. http://www.muslimhands.org/en/gb/zakah/
Rincewind Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 I know some people who say its against their religion to give to charity but I reckon its an excuse for being tight bastards.
RizLCFC Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 I know some people who say its against their religion to give to charity but I reckon its an excuse for being tight bastards. Well done for sussing us out with your RECKONING! What makes you think we only give charity to Muslims, we give charity to everyone who is need, no matter what race or religion, so keep your shameful thoughts to yourself! How much charity do you give? No matter how much you do it's never enough so keep giving and look at yourself before others.
Rincewind Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 I think you misunderstood my post. It was in response to the post that sais they knew a Muslim who didnt give because its against muslim religion. I was pointing out how stupid that sounded. 'Against my religion' is an old saying that is not supposed to be taken litually. Maybe I should have put a smiley icon at the end of my post to indicate it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I do know people who dont give to charity and they are tight. They may say the reason is something different. 'I dont believe in what they stand for' 'They will only buy drugs with it' etc etc etc. Read my previous post where quote say. I am sure theire are many Muslims that give up their time to help those less fortunate than themselves quote
Koke Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 You are right. I had a colleague who was a white Muslim. Lovely guy, but against hid religion to give to charity. Turned down children with cancer, but regularly paid towards his religion. Say no more. Absolute tosh. He was probably a tight bastard.
accessory Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 You are right. I had a colleague who was a white Muslim. Lovely guy, but against hid religion to give to charity. Turned down children with cancer, but regularly paid towards his religion. Say no more. Probably a member of whatever the Muslim equivalent of the Jehovah's Witnesses is. Many Muslims in Leicester are extremely generous towards local charities and some have even set up charity shops.
Rincewind Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 Absolute tosh. He was probably a tight bastard. I was told I should be ashamed of myself for saying that. You just have to look at how many people of different races are involve with Citizens Eye' to see that many of them also do work for charities across Leicester.
Rincewind Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 I know some people who say its against their religion to give to charity but I reckon its an excuse for being tight bastards. Do I say what religion these people are?
brockmyster Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 ****ing scumbags the lot of them end of.
Guest MattP Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 Everyone with the "send them back to where they come from" mentality should be forced to sit and have a conversation with someone who's a practising 'everyday' Muslim who represents the majority of Muslims and see how they feel then. Maybe it'd drill it into their heads not to tar everyone with the same brush. Have I missed a load of posts? I've not seen any hatred towards the moderate muslims, it all seems to be directed at this lot?
Koke Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 Have I missed a load of posts? I've not seen any hatred towards the moderate muslims, it all seems to be directed at this lot? This lot are 18 blokes & their dog. But yet they get far more attention that they deserve. These same characters appear at every rally/demo upset about something or another.
Guest MattP Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 This lot are 18 blokes & their dog. But yet they get far more attention that they deserve. These same characters appear at every rally/demo upset about something or another. Yeah I was referring to the accusation people who want these lot deported should be forced to sit down with moderate hard working muslims. I don't see the connection between these I4UK morons and the general muslim population. You could level some criticism at certain mosques and Islamic schools (the ones we have seen a couple of times on dispatches etc) but I don't and I've not really seen anyone in here basing these people as a true representation is Islam.
Koke Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 ^ Personally I'd go hard on these vermin. Im all for a free society, except when it comes to 2 groups. One, far-right religious knuckle-heads, and two, far-right nationalists. Both are a disease to our society and a danger to us as human beings.
Guest MattP Posted 14 September 2011 Posted 14 September 2011 ^ Personally I'd go hard on these vermin. Im all for a free society, except when it comes to 2 groups. One, far-right religious knuckle-heads, and two, far-right nationalists. Both are a disease to our society and a danger to us as human beings. Totally agree.
lavrentis Posted 15 September 2011 Posted 15 September 2011 They are scumbags yes but thank god they can actually do that and not put in some protest cage like they are in America.
MikeyT Posted 15 September 2011 Posted 15 September 2011 Being a young Muslim in this country I am thankful for everything that England have given to me and my family such as work, education, a home etc. I also thank my god Allah for everything he has given to me as ultimately whatever we have comes from him. Just a couple of points regarding the video and Muslims in general. Firstly, we don't condone terrorism in Islam, terrorists are not our friends, they are in fact our opposition and the MAJORITY of Muslims will fight with the rest of the world to destroy terrorism. Secondly, the reason people don't see the work carried out by Islamic scholars to counter terrorism is because this happens mainly through lectures and speeches in mosques across the world, which the media don't have access to. Some Muslims destroy the reputation of Islam through disgraceful acts of behaviour which the media seem to highlight immediately, but believe me as a religion we are working on it. Islam clearly believes in peace, love and harmony and it teaches us to do this with people from every religion. The Quran doesn't teach Muslims to be violent, certain quotes are misinterpreted to anger others and if you don't believe this then I urge you to buy a Quran in english and read for yourself. Finally, don't let certain members of humanity destroy your views on us, they have already tarnished the reputation of Muslims throughout the world but they are a MINORTIY which use the name 'Islam' to divert responsibility on it for their ridiculous acts of violence, it is certainly not preeched or promoted anywhere. Fantastic post and i think most people with a brain KNOW that you can't judge a whole group of people, just because a handful are the way they are, but then there are some who will blame an entire group, simply because they can and because they are totally ignorant. Hope i make some kind of sense.
Rincewind Posted 15 September 2011 Posted 15 September 2011 Went to a access learning centre today for help in retraing etc. Anyway the advisor was a Muslim a very nice woman. She also took a interview course at another place which is how I knew she was a Muslim. She was a friendly helpful person Which when judging some one is the most important aspect of a persons personality.
21st Century Fox Posted 15 September 2011 Posted 15 September 2011 Have I missed a load of posts? I've not seen any hatred towards the moderate muslims, it all seems to be directed at this lot? I was half referring to riznarma's post and half to the general dross posted on previous threads about this sort of thing. (cough panky and the gang)
Thracian Posted 15 September 2011 Posted 15 September 2011 Why is it against their religion to give to charity? I am sure theire are many Muslims that give up their time to help those less fortunate than themselves. And I am not religious. I just believe that people are what they are because of what they are and they probably be the same without their religion. They just need confirmation that they are doing the right thing. I do not need confirmation and if I do wrong I will do my punishment while I'm still alive. I believe we all have humanity and good values inside us some more than others and at different levels. As you suggest it is not against the Muslim religion to give to charity - quite the contrary. Gifts to charity are a requirement for the "wealthy" of Islam. Giving in charity is emphasised constantly in the Qur'an... “And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity." On top of encouraging charitable contributions, wealthier members of the community are specifically required to pay alms. This practice is known as Zakat. This is paid at the rate of 2.5 percent of remaining wealth after the deduction of expenses. Alms recipients are detailed as: a) The poor and the needy b) Those employed to collect and distribute zakat c) Converts to Islam (who risk being disowned by their non-Muslim families) d) Slaves (so they may purchase their freedom) e) Those in debt f) Those who are struggling in Allah's cause g) The wayfarer (stranded traveller) Then there is voluntary alms giving called sadaqah which can be given at any time, in any amount, to anyone. The Qur'an repeatedly encourages Muslims to give to the needy and care for orphans...although I do believe the leaders of Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya stand accused of plundering the coffers big time (who says hypocrisy is on the wane!). Finally I would emphasise that pretty much anything which can be shown to "further the cause of Islam" would meet with favour. An example of course would be response to the Japanese tsunami when calls for the Muslim communities to help were extensive and involved many countries. http://www.irusa.org/emergencies/japan-disaster-relief/ http://muslimvillage.com/2011/03/30/muslims-provide-immediate-aid-to-japan-disaster-victims/ http://www.islamic-relief.com/Emergencies-And-Appeals/5-89-720-islamic-relief-launches-emergency-appeal-for-japan.aspx There were reports of "stingyness" from the Gulf states but the principle of giving charity to non-Muslims - while not the main focus - seems acceptable enough . Perhaps more controversial is not the giving of charity by Muslims to non-Muslim causes but regular and variously sourced reports that the Somali fundamentalists blocked millions of pounds worth of Western aid - particularly food and medicines - meant for countless thousands of women and children who are dying of starvation and disease in Somalia and Ethiopia. http://allafrica.com/stories/201107230006.html There is always an unwillingness of Muslims to criticise "brother" muslims but this shows just how uncompromising the zealots are.
Thracian Posted 15 September 2011 Posted 15 September 2011 Went to a access learning centre today for help in retraing etc. Anyway the advisor was a Muslim a very nice woman. She also took a interview course at another place which is how I knew she was a Muslim. She was a friendly helpful person Which when judging some one is the most important aspect of a persons personality. And who would wish to argue or doubt you, although I'm not sure it's women you need to be much concerned about. Think about publicised actions that have shamed Islam - and then about how many women were involved. It's not that many, as I recall and even those involved would doubtless have been manipulated.. However, if you want to develop an informed opinion about the Islamic faith - and then to relate that faith to the actions of Muslim people - I suggest you subscribe to some dedicated Islamic websites, explore the net more closely and make some long term Muslim contacts. You might end up with some good friends but you will also lose some illusions. I could point you to sites that would truly shock you but have no desire to do so because I could do the same in relation to so-called Christian people and it would really only be fanning corresponding flames of negativity and possible misunderstanding. But do your homework for time and come back more roundly informed. It's quite fascinating in some ways.
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