Realities and Managers

[Electricity Sports 1960]

In a recent article in the Sunday Times, Leicester City was described as a “middling” club, alongside Notts Forest. Someone on the LCFC forum objected to this. I have watched Leicester City since 1949 and the position of the club in the rank of English football has on average been at the upper level of the second tier.

There have been brief flirtations with the top division but these invariably resulted in fairly quick demotion.

There will no doubt be howls of protest at these sentiments and fans will say “that’s history, what about now”

Now we have owners who require that the City are a Premiership club. Without definitely knowing their intentions, I’d guess that this was their prime aim. This would give them a major boost to their commercial interests elsewhere, particularly in their native Thailand and other Asian countries.

Yes, they have invested a large amount of cash in the club. Yes a large amount for a championship side but enough for the Premiership? I doubt it. Several players that have been bought recently were, in the opinion of Premiership managers, not good enough for their sides.

The owners paid a largish sum of money to attract a manager of some renown, Mr Eriksson.. This fame requires examination. The last major championship was with Lazio in 2000, 11 years ago. Since then he has managed England, Manchester City, Mexico, The Ivory Coast and Notts County. I invite anyone to look at the (lack of) achievements with these teams.

Personally I think the owners chose a celebrity whose name was known in places much further afield than Leicester.

It also intrigues me to see that we can pay a reported £4million for some players yet quibble over a sum much less than that to “buy” the players “boss”.

The fans of Leicester City, myself amongst them hope my amateur analysis is incorrect and that successful and permanent Premiership status is achieved but I fear we should settle for a championship side which wins more games than it loses.

It seems we are now getting a homegrown English manager at last and I wish him and the club success.

[Saxondale]

Pretty much spot on.

[fosseman]

In a recent article in the Sunday Times, Leicester City was described as a “middling” club, alongside Notts Forest. Someone on the LCFC forum objected to this. I have watched Leicester City since 1949 and the position of the club in the rank of English football has on average been at the upper level of the second tier.

There have been brief flirtations with the top division but these invariably resulted in fairly quick demotion.

There will no doubt be howls of protest at these sentiments and fans will say “that’s history, what about now”

Now we have owners who require that the City are a Premiership club. Without definitely knowing their intentions, I’d guess that this was their prime aim. This would give them a major boost to their commercial interests elsewhere, particularly in their native Thailand and other Asian countries.

Yes, they have invested a large amount of cash in the club. Yes a large amount for a championship side but enough for the Premiership? I doubt it. Several players that have been bought recently were, in the opinion of Premiership managers, not good enough for their sides.

The owners paid a largish sum of money to attract a manager of some renown, Mr Eriksson.. This fame requires examination. The last major championship was with Lazio in 2000, 11 years ago. Since then he has managed England, Manchester City, Mexico, The Ivory Coast and Notts County. I invite anyone to look at the (lack of) achievements with these teams.

Personally I think the owners chose a celebrity whose name was known in places much further afield than Leicester.

It also intrigues me to see that we can pay a reported £4million for some players yet quibble over a sum much less than that to “buy” the players “boss”.

The fans of Leicester City, myself amongst them hope my amateur analysis is incorrect and that successful and permanent Premiership status is achieved but I fear we should settle for a championship side which wins more games than it loses.

It seems we are now getting a homegrown English manager at last and I wish him and the club success.

Can't help but feel you're spot on.

[z-layrex]

I think in our hearts most of us know we'll never be a stable premiership club if we ever get there again at all. But i'd rather follow a glorious, exciting, unpredictable club like lc as opposed to some of the mundane shit in this league like Bristol, Coventry or Doncaster.

[Happy Fox]

I think it is possible we could become again a stable prem club you look at the likes of Wigan in the prem who have stayed their for a number of years, our owners are investing heavily in all aspects and when we reach the prem you can guarantee that they will spend to enhance the squad to give us the best possible chance of staying their.

[accessory]

The inferiority complexes displayed in this thread really wind me up.. :angry:

Wigan have managed seven successive seasons in the top flight. Bolton have been there for ELEVEN. Is there any reason why we, with the right management and backing, should not try to match or even surpass these achievements? We have a far bigger fanbase than either of those teams.

If there is to be a ceiling on our aspirations, it needs to be set a lot higher than this. Our owners didn't come halfway around the world to follow their side around the slums and wastelands of the lower leagues for the next few years.

They see Leicester as a Premier League club. And so should we. The sooner that status is restored, the better for us all.

[flowwolf]

I feel pretty sure that one way or another our owners will get us into the Prem. They have invested too much already for this to be a dalliance not just in players but all through the club. And when we are in the prem I think we will see the real colour of their money as they will fully intend to stop there or what is the point ? The only way for them to re coup their investment is to have the king power brand shown around the world and to do that they will pay to have good enough players for the Prem. To us it looks like they have spent big time when in reality it is peanuts compared to what they will have to spend to stop in the prem. Short term who knows but long term I think our future is assured. :thumbup:

[THEFATBASTARD]

The inferiority complexes displayed in this thread really wind me up.. :angry:

Wigan have managed seven successive seasons in the top flight. Bolton have been there for ELEVEN. Is there any reason why we, with the right management and backing, should not try to match or even surpass these achievements? We have a far bigger fanbase than either of those teams.

If there is to be a ceiling on our aspirations, it needs to be set a lot higher than this. Our owners didn't come halfway around the world to follow their side around the slums and wastelands of the lower leagues for the next few years.

They see Leicester as a Premier League club. And so should we. The sooner that status is restored, the better for us all.

Totally agree..defeatist stuff...This club is capable of very much more...small town thinking is for losers...

[stourbridgefox]

We have much more going for us than many other clubs which have become Premier League regulars.

Every time we have been in the top flight before there has been something to limit the club, whether small thinking owners not prepared to stump up the cash or more recently, the small capacity of Filbert Street post Taylor Report.

This time, with a 32000 capacity ground (maybe 45 000) and some serious financial backing, who knows what can be achieved. I think it is fair to say the club has under-achieved for pretty much the whole of its history. One of the exciting things about supporting City is the fact that we don't know our potential for packing in a crowd as a top 10 Premier League club and we don't know our potential if we are in the top flight with ambitious and rich owners.

Unlike many clubs...our best years might be yet to come!

[ajthefox]

There is no reason why we can't get into the Premiership and stay there, I don't why people would suggest that.

Just look at Bolton, Stoke, Wigan and to some extent even West Brom. None of those clubs had any particularly strong finances before getting promoted and it would seem we do.

All of what the OP said is accurate though, we are a middling club.

[B52]

The owners paid a largish sum of money to attract a manager of some renown, Mr Eriksson.. This fame requires examination. The last major championship was with Lazio in 2000, 11 years ago. Since then he has managed England, Manchester City, Mexico, The Ivory Coast and Notts County. I invite anyone to look at the (lack of) achievements with these teams.

So posters like you and Flowwolf thinks that a repeted lie becomes truth in the end.

It wasn't a few cups and a league trophy every year when he was manager for England and he had resonable sucess with he team. If he had all the players and managers behind him and a bit of luck England could have won a throphy or two.

Man City was a sucess til the 1-8 defeat when the whole team was demoralised. Managed a better position in the League than Hughes did with better resources. Sven also had too much injuries the second part of the season wich posters like you and Flowwolf neglect.

At Mexico the players didn't want Sven so that was an easy one.

Ivory Coast, too short to even say anything about.

Finally, Notts County, he wasn't even manager for Notts County. Check your facts when you are trying to change history.

[flowwolf]

Yes and finally he won FVCK ALL in English football. Go on tell me that is a repeated lie ? :frusty: :frusty:

[Thracian]

The inferiority complexes displayed in this thread really wind me up.. :angry:

Wigan have managed seven successive seasons in the top flight. Bolton have been there for ELEVEN. Is there any reason why we, with the right management and backing, should not try to match or even surpass these achievements? We have a far bigger fanbase than either of those teams.

If there is to be a ceiling on our aspirations, it needs to be set a lot higher than this. Our owners didn't come halfway around the world to follow their side around the slums and wastelands of the lower leagues for the next few years.

They see Leicester as a Premier League club. And so should we. The sooner that status is restored, the better for us all.

Absolutely. And we have shown in the past that we can not only survive but do well in the Premiership, The only reason we slipped down from the peaks scaled by the likes of Matt Gillies and MON is bad management and bad decision making of various kinds.

Some of the players we've purchased and the money we've spent in buying them and paying them has been utterly indefensible and I don't mean just the headline makers. The more modest mistakes add up too. Yes, you expect bad judgement from all senior managers but the level of mistakes from people who were supposed to be responsible professionals has to be believed.

Take almost any season even over the last 10 years and there's close to 10 squad members who should never have been here - that's almost 100 players at millions of £'s in terms of transfer fees, agents fees and wages.

Sven "earned" a reputed £1m pay-off for his failure and now we've agreed to pay over half a million pounds in compensation for the privilege of doubling the wages of a manager who's presided over the scoring of 14 goals in his last 16 matches.

That's hardly the type of philosophy that'll turn us into the new Arsenal or even get us drooled over among the young folk of Leicestershire never mind beyond.

And Pearson' s a good guy!. He's at least got some results and some lower-level sucess. Others did no better than any old Joe Soap off the street would have done with far fewer resources.

Leicester climbing back into the Premiership is simply about spending good money wisely and then managing the product of that money effectively and thoroughly. If Sven had spent his £10-12m properly he would still be here and our club wouldn't be several shades short of a paintbox.

Do our owners ever truly lead? If so how could Holloway be allowed to play eight defenders away to Burnley or Kelly be allowed to go all negative in a cuptie against Southampton?

Doesn't anyone provide a mandate for the manager? Not the bland promise of a bonus if we win promotion (he should be doing his level best anyway) but a modus operandi - an insistence that we don't just try to win but try to win with a bit of style, panache or attitude.

There are many things that need to be improved at our club before we're likely to return to the Premiership. But the first is the way we try to do things. The way we represent ourselves. the determination to score some sodding goals whether wwe're playing at home or away.

[B52]

Yes and finally he won FVCK ALL in English football. Go on tell me that is a repeated lie ? :frusty: :frusty:

Oh, has he ever managed to manage a full season.

If you count England I think he lasted three possible throphys. Compare that to the ordinarie english cup of tea with three possible trophies every year. Four if you play in Europe also.

[flowwolf]

Oh, has he ever managed to manage a full season.

If you count England I think he lasted three possible throphys. Compare that to the ordinarie english cup of tea with three possible trophies every year. Four if you play in Europe also.

You need help :giggle: :giggle:

[B52]

You need help :giggle: :giggle:

Thank God I'm not obsessed. Keep on trying to rewrite history. It's very common theese days with very bad etics within journalism. So I get where you're coming from.

[flowwolf]

Thank God I'm not obsessed. Keep on trying to rewrite history. It's very common theese days with very bad etics within journalism. So I get where you're coming from.

Explain yourself numb nuts ? rewrite what history ? for the last time Erickson never won any trophy's in England with any English club and never bloody well will. Oh and at least journalists can spell :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

[B52]

Explain yourself numb nuts ? rewrite what history ? for the last time Erickson never won any trophy's in England with any English club and never bloody well will. Oh and at least journalists can spell :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

Read what rewriting history was about and try grow up.....

[flowwolf]

I am fully aware what re writing history means but so far you have not given one instance in Erickson's case where history has been re written about him. Could you please explain where history was re written in my statement that Erickson won not one iota of a trophy in English football ? by the way how old are you and does your mum know your still up ?

[B52]

I am fully aware what re writing history means but so far you have not given one instance in Erickson's case where history has been re written about him. Could you please explain where history was re written in my statement that Erickson won not one iota of a trophy in English football ? by the way how old are you and does your mum know your still up ?

This isn't about your claim of no throphys. Look a the OP instead of your rantings.

Man City was clearly a success with the player material he had. He did a masterstroke that time. Bought a lot of foreigners capable of handling themselves without someone shouting at them or throw shoes.

You'rer clearly obsessed by Sven in a negative way. Why I don't know. Could you care to explain? And do a proper job with some sort of analyze so I can see what your problem is.

[funkyrobot]

This isn't about your claim of no throphys. Look a the OP instead of your rantings.

Man City was clearly a success with the player material he had. He did a masterstroke that time. Bought a lot of foreigners capable of handling themselves without someone shouting at them or throw shoes.

You'rer clearly obsessed by Sven in a negative way. Why I don't know. Could you care to explain? And do a proper job with some sort of analyze so I can see what your problem is.

How was Sven at man city a success? What did they achieve?

[B52]

How was Sven at man city a success? What did they achieve?

He assembled academy players with foreign players and made them click at once. Reach higher in the league than Hughes(who is highly appreciated at this forum, not by me) did with more resources and players at hand.

Good God, I forgot the most important part of Sven's success - They did the double over Manure since, was it the sixties or early seventies.....

If that isn't a success I don't know what to do about Hughes. He must be a major failure if Sven did a bad job at Man City.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Explain yourself numb nuts ? rewrite what history ? for the last time Erickson never won any trophy's in England with any English club and never bloody well will. Oh and at least journalists can spell :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

You can't write English either. Capital letters at the start of a sentence please. Also, have you ever heard of commas? :crylaugh:

[Corky]

I am fully aware what re writing history means but so far you have not given one instance in Erickson's case where history has been re written about him. Could you please explain where history was re written in my statement that Erickson won not one iota of a trophy in English football ? by the way how old are you and does your mum know your still up ?

He hasn't. But he's had one full season in English football, not at a top club, so it's not easy to win a trophy.

Mark Hughes hasn't won a trophy in English football yet people were raving about him becoming manager.