Hullfox Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers.
Cat Burger Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] Do we know how little was offered to him though? I imagine it was pittance, whilst players who are arguably worse than him, still continue to be given chances: Stewart, Wilcox, Gudjonsson...it was the wrong decision in my eyes, no doubt about it.
Ric Flair Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] When have I ever said we should wait 2 or 3 years? I'm saying that in my opinion in 2 or 3 years Dawson will be playing for a team that is atleast at the same level that Leicester are at. I personally believe he is capable of playing first team football at championship level right now and alot of people who have seen him will agree. Have you seen him play? It was his choice to leave and I think he's made the right move. I was upset we didn't do what we could to keep him, but shit happens. I'm over it, good luck to the lad I hope he does well. I'll have a little chuckle to myself when he does prove people like you wrong, but then I don't suppose i'll get any credit for daring to vent my opinion that I believe this lad is talented. It appears you believe that managers never make mistakes when it comes to deciding whether a youngster is good enough for first team football or not. I personally believe that Man City have made a mistake in letting McCarthy and Stephen Elliott go, would you disagree with that also?
Thracian Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 When I first watched him play I knew he was an awesome prospect, but I also knew he would never make it here. The guy WILL have a good career, it won't be on a plate for him though. 128877[/snapback] Have never seen him play so how good was he. And, why would he have never made it here? If he was any good, and a hell of a lot of fans seem to think he was, I find it alarming. Especially with some of the apologies for footballers we have had hanging around the place. Had he got some sort of character flaw or what? Or was he just like any self respecting kid who wanted to get a game?. The lip service to youth is wonderful at Leicester but, God, some of em must be bad not to get a chance above some of the folk who've played left back, left flank, centre-forward, (non) creative midfield, destructive midfield and centre-back for Leicester in the last 18 months. What I find most irritating about the Dawson departure is that we had him, we offered him a contract renewal and he turned it down. Either we wanted him but not enough or he felt he'd already had a raw deal (and no chances) so he thought he'd go where he would be appreciated, Hardly a great advert for the Academy. If he was not good enough why offer a contract renewal? And if he was good enough, why not give him a better offer/and or, more likely, a few genuine assurances (cos I can't imagine he's gone for more money to Mansfield). And let no-one at City bleat about not being able to offer assurances. Assurances and chances go a long way with kids and some of the apologists I mentioned MUST have had assurances along with their ridiculously over-generous wages to have ever found a place in the team. PS Does anyone know any youth team and reserves team dates, if they've been released yet. I plan to watch what I can this season to see exactly who the club have been wasting their time on and exactly who should be threatening the first team?.
shen Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 When I first watched him play I knew he was an awesome prospect, but I also knew he would never make it here. The guy WILL have a good career, it won't be on a plate for him though. 128877[/snapback] PS Does anyone know any youth team and reserves team dates, if they've been released yet. I plan to watch what I can this season to see exactly who the club have been wasting their time on and exactly who should be threatening the first team?. 128953[/snapback] Chambo should know
Cat Burger Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 When I first watched him play I knew he was an awesome prospect, but I also knew he would never make it here. The guy WILL have a good career, it won't be on a plate for him though. 128877[/snapback] Have never seen him play so how good was he. And, why would he have never made it here? If he was any good, and a hell of a lot of fans seem to think he was, I find it alarming. Especially with some of the apologies for footballers we have had hanging around the place. Had he got some sort of character flaw or what? Or was he just like any self respecting kid who wanted to get a game?. The lip service to youth is wonderful at Leicester but, God, some of em must be bad not to get a chance above some of the folk who've played left back, left flank, centre-forward, (non) creative midfield, destructive midfield and centre-back for Leicester in the last 18 months. What I find most irritating about the Dawson departure is that we had him, we offered him a contract renewal and he turned it down. Either we wanted him but not enough or he felt he'd already had a raw deal (and no chances) so he thought he'd go where he would be appreciated, Hardly a great advert for the Academy. If he was not good enough why offer a contract renewal? And if he was good enough, why not give him a better offer/and or, more likely, a few genuine assurances (cos I can't imagine he's gone for more money to Mansfield). And let no-one at City bleat about not being able to offer assurances. Assurances and chances go a long way with kids and some of the apologists I mentioned MUST have had assurances along with their ridiculously over-generous wages to have ever found a place in the team. PS Does anyone know any youth team and reserves team dates, if they've been released yet. I plan to watch what I can this season to see exactly who the club have been wasting their time on and exactly who should be threatening the first team?. 128953[/snapback] He looked like a young Roy Keane in the Pepsi max challenge, I saw him in a reserve game aswell and he was good, can't remember the team we played against. Anyway I thought 'here is a hungry player' he is aggressive, hardworking and has good quality passing and tackling. And he controlled the midfield. The reason I knew he would never make it here is because he is a central midfielder! How often do good quality, young central midfielders come through a youth system, especially at Leicester?? I can't remember one from the top of my head at this club...I bet I'm wrong but never mind. Managers just will not take the chance, importing from abroad or buying a player who has worked his way up. Honestly, from the way he plerformed when I saw him, I thought 'stick him in any outfield position and he'll offer us something'. I, like R.Flair, thought he made the right decision to leave, he could end up as a Premiership player easily if attains the right mental attitude.
Nationwider Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 Jason Peake, Sam McMahon, Martin Reeves, Scott Oakes, Stefan Oakes, Stuart Wilson....etc... He'll be the exception to the rule if he makes it at the top level. Good luck to him though. He was certainly better than one or two of the above.
Cat Burger Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 Jason Peake, Sam McMahon, Martin Reeves, Scott Oakes, Stefan Oakes, Stuart Wilson....etc...He'll be the exception to the rule if he makes it at the top level. Good luck to him though. He was certainly better than one or two of the above. 129015[/snapback] Hopefully hope he doesn't resent the club and it's fans either!
Jonbluefox9 Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 About Peter Shirtliff, he was our reserve team manager under Bassett and Adams although he was on crutches for most of Bassett's time here. At the begin of this season he was doing a lot more work with the younger lads though until he went with the old regime. Youth team games are usually on Saturday mornings starting at about 11 am. Usually two games going on at the same time.
Hullfox Posted 28 June 2005 Posted 28 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] When have I ever said we should wait 2 or 3 years? I'm saying that in my opinion in 2 or 3 years Dawson will be playing for a team that is atleast at the same level that Leicester are at. I personally believe he is capable of playing first team football at championship level right now and alot of people who have seen him will agree. Have you seen him play?It was his choice to leave and I think he's made the right move. I was upset we didn't do what we could to keep him, but shit happens. I'm over it, good luck to the lad I hope he does well. I'll have a little chuckle to myself when he does prove people like you wrong, but then I don't suppose i'll get any credit for daring to vent my opinion that I believe this lad is talented. It appears you believe that managers never make mistakes when it comes to deciding whether a youngster is good enough for first team football or not. I personally believe that Man City have made a mistake in letting McCarthy and Stephen Elliott go, would you disagree with that also? 128901[/snapback] No but then he wasn't seen as good enough by three sets of management last season so I'll take their opinion over yours and Carlton Palmers for now.
Ric Flair Posted 29 June 2005 Posted 29 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] When have I ever said we should wait 2 or 3 years? I'm saying that in my opinion in 2 or 3 years Dawson will be playing for a team that is atleast at the same level that Leicester are at. I personally believe he is capable of playing first team football at championship level right now and alot of people who have seen him will agree. Have you seen him play?It was his choice to leave and I think he's made the right move. I was upset we didn't do what we could to keep him, but shit happens. I'm over it, good luck to the lad I hope he does well. I'll have a little chuckle to myself when he does prove people like you wrong, but then I don't suppose i'll get any credit for daring to vent my opinion that I believe this lad is talented. It appears you believe that managers never make mistakes when it comes to deciding whether a youngster is good enough for first team football or not. I personally believe that Man City have made a mistake in letting McCarthy and Stephen Elliott go, would you disagree with that also? 128901[/snapback] No but then he wasn't seen as good enough by three sets of management last season so I'll take their opinion over yours and Carlton Palmers for now. 129119[/snapback] That's a fair point, but one that can be easily argued! Firstly Micky Adams is notorious for not giving youngsters a chance, especially at Leicester. Although even Adams outlined that Stearman, Dawson and O'Grady had a good chance of making it after impressing him during the last pre-season. Bassett wasn't here long enough to really use him as part of your argument. Levein, I accept what your saying. But I honestly don't think Craig Levein didn't rate Dawson, he regularly praised him. I just think he wasn't brave enough to give him a chance when he had alot of central midfielders to choose from even if 50% of them were crap. Anyway it's over now, I have every belief Dawson will succeed in professional football and considering we are skint as a badgers ass I find it foolish not to have done everything possible to keep this player. But, who am I to question Levein. I've been wrong many times before on footballing decisions and I will do again no doubt. On an optimistic note, atleast it's one less player for me to get frustrated about when he doesn't get a chance at Leicester. Only Wesolowski, Porter and Dodds for me to moan about now!
kenny Posted 29 June 2005 Posted 29 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] When have I ever said we should wait 2 or 3 years? I'm saying that in my opinion in 2 or 3 years Dawson will be playing for a team that is atleast at the same level that Leicester are at. I personally believe he is capable of playing first team football at championship level right now and alot of people who have seen him will agree. Have you seen him play?It was his choice to leave and I think he's made the right move. I was upset we didn't do what we could to keep him, but shit happens. I'm over it, good luck to the lad I hope he does well. I'll have a little chuckle to myself when he does prove people like you wrong, but then I don't suppose i'll get any credit for daring to vent my opinion that I believe this lad is talented. It appears you believe that managers never make mistakes when it comes to deciding whether a youngster is good enough for first team football or not. I personally believe that Man City have made a mistake in letting McCarthy and Stephen Elliott go, would you disagree with that also? 128901[/snapback] No but then he wasn't seen as good enough by three sets of management last season so I'll take their opinion over yours and Carlton Palmers for now. 129119[/snapback] That's a fair point, but one that can be easily argued! Firstly Micky Adams is notorious for not giving youngsters a chance, especially at Leicester. Although even Adams outlined that Stearman, Dawson and O'Grady had a good chance of making it after impressing him during the last pre-season. Bassett wasn't here long enough to really use him as part of your argument. Levein, I accept what your saying. But I honestly don't think Craig Levein didn't rate Dawson, he regularly praised him. I just think he wasn't brave enough to give him a chance when he had alot of central midfielders to choose from even if 50% of them were crap. Anyway it's over now, I have every belief Dawson will succeed in professional football and considering we are skint as a badgers ass I find it foolish not to have done everything possible to keep this player. But, who am I to question Levein. I've been wrong many times before on footballing decisions and I will do again no doubt. On an optimistic note, atleast it's one less player for me to get frustrated about when he doesn't get a chance at Leicester. Only Wesolowski, Porter and Dodds for me to moan about now! 129319[/snapback] Interesting that micky or taylor didnt try and sign him. If he was as good as everyone thought both those teams would benefit from him.
Ric Flair Posted 29 June 2005 Posted 29 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] When have I ever said we should wait 2 or 3 years? I'm saying that in my opinion in 2 or 3 years Dawson will be playing for a team that is atleast at the same level that Leicester are at. I personally believe he is capable of playing first team football at championship level right now and alot of people who have seen him will agree. Have you seen him play?It was his choice to leave and I think he's made the right move. I was upset we didn't do what we could to keep him, but shit happens. I'm over it, good luck to the lad I hope he does well. I'll have a little chuckle to myself when he does prove people like you wrong, but then I don't suppose i'll get any credit for daring to vent my opinion that I believe this lad is talented. It appears you believe that managers never make mistakes when it comes to deciding whether a youngster is good enough for first team football or not. I personally believe that Man City have made a mistake in letting McCarthy and Stephen Elliott go, would you disagree with that also? 128901[/snapback] No but then he wasn't seen as good enough by three sets of management last season so I'll take their opinion over yours and Carlton Palmers for now. 129119[/snapback] That's a fair point, but one that can be easily argued! Firstly Micky Adams is notorious for not giving youngsters a chance, especially at Leicester. Although even Adams outlined that Stearman, Dawson and O'Grady had a good chance of making it after impressing him during the last pre-season. Bassett wasn't here long enough to really use him as part of your argument. Levein, I accept what your saying. But I honestly don't think Craig Levein didn't rate Dawson, he regularly praised him. I just think he wasn't brave enough to give him a chance when he had alot of central midfielders to choose from even if 50% of them were crap. Anyway it's over now, I have every belief Dawson will succeed in professional football and considering we are skint as a badgers ass I find it foolish not to have done everything possible to keep this player. But, who am I to question Levein. I've been wrong many times before on footballing decisions and I will do again no doubt. On an optimistic note, atleast it's one less player for me to get frustrated about when he doesn't get a chance at Leicester. Only Wesolowski, Porter and Dodds for me to moan about now! 129319[/snapback] Interesting that micky or taylor didnt try and sign him. If he was as good as everyone thought both those teams would benefit from him. 129337[/snapback] Adams doesn't like players under the age of 30 and Taylor perhaps didn't know much about him.
Cat Burger Posted 29 June 2005 Posted 29 June 2005 Of course I can say it's nonsense.The player left the club and has joined Mansfield Town - you don't need to have watched him to understand that he is no footballing genius. That is not a career move that to me seems forward looking. He has after all signed for Carlton Palmer. 128867[/snapback] You could say that when David Platt signed for Crewe from Man Utd or when Stan Collymore signed for Southend when he was at Palace. Just because you drop down a few leagues when your a youngster doesn't mean a thing. I'm always a believer that quality will always come through in the end, so if Dawson has the talent I believe he has then we'll see him back in the big time within 2 or 3 years. First team football puts you in the shop window, Steve Claridge once said 'I'd rather play first team football for a team struggling in division 4 than sitting in the reserves at a team in division one' Dawson obviously knew he had his work cut out to prove himself to the manager, I mean what more can you do than get man of the match in almost every reserve game you play? Shrewd move for the lad, whether that's nonsense it's very much opinion based. Considering you live in Hull, I very much doubt you ever made the trip down to watch Dawson in the reserves so I can see why you believe it's nonsense. Because I rate the lad, I can see why I think it's not nonsense. If he ****s us over in a few years, will you change your tune? 128870[/snapback] Get over it, he's gone. Are you suggesting that we should wait for two or three years in case he becomes good? I don't think so but hey, what do I know, I live in Hull. Will I change my tune if he does us over in a few years? No, absolutely not. The decision was right at the time it was made and we don't have a few years to wait for players to potentially blossom if they want away. - Don't forget it was him that left. As for a shrewd move? Time will tell. There's a whole lot of players who have made similar moves down the divisions never to have surfaced on the bigger stages despite the protestations of the academy watchers. 128887[/snapback] When have I ever said we should wait 2 or 3 years? I'm saying that in my opinion in 2 or 3 years Dawson will be playing for a team that is atleast at the same level that Leicester are at. I personally believe he is capable of playing first team football at championship level right now and alot of people who have seen him will agree. Have you seen him play?It was his choice to leave and I think he's made the right move. I was upset we didn't do what we could to keep him, but shit happens. I'm over it, good luck to the lad I hope he does well. I'll have a little chuckle to myself when he does prove people like you wrong, but then I don't suppose i'll get any credit for daring to vent my opinion that I believe this lad is talented. It appears you believe that managers never make mistakes when it comes to deciding whether a youngster is good enough for first team football or not. I personally believe that Man City have made a mistake in letting McCarthy and Stephen Elliott go, would you disagree with that also? 128901[/snapback] No but then he wasn't seen as good enough by three sets of management last season so I'll take their opinion over yours and Carlton Palmers for now. 129119[/snapback] That's a fair point, but one that can be easily argued! Firstly Micky Adams is notorious for not giving youngsters a chance, especially at Leicester. Although even Adams outlined that Stearman, Dawson and O'Grady had a good chance of making it after impressing him during the last pre-season. Bassett wasn't here long enough to really use him as part of your argument. Levein, I accept what your saying. But I honestly don't think Craig Levein didn't rate Dawson, he regularly praised him. I just think he wasn't brave enough to give him a chance when he had alot of central midfielders to choose from even if 50% of them were crap. Anyway it's over now, I have every belief Dawson will succeed in professional football and considering we are skint as a badgers ass I find it foolish not to have done everything possible to keep this player. But, who am I to question Levein. I've been wrong many times before on footballing decisions and I will do again no doubt. On an optimistic note, atleast it's one less player for me to get frustrated about when he doesn't get a chance at Leicester. Only Wesolowski, Porter and Dodds for me to moan about now! 129319[/snapback] Interesting that micky or taylor didnt try and sign him. If he was as good as everyone thought both those teams would benefit from him. 129337[/snapback] Adams doesn't like players under the age of 30 and Taylor perhaps didn't know much about him. 129341[/snapback] Unless they are boss eyed, big, crap forwards.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 29 June 2005 Posted 29 June 2005 How on earth does the fact that he's signed for Mansfield prove anything?? I don't think anyone can claim to know one way or the other whether he's any good until he plays some bloody first-team matches! And if he's alright for Mansfield then maybe he'll make the step up and we'll see whether he would have been good enough for us. Until then, this all seems like a fuss over nothing. As ever, good luck to him though. He has a tough job to make it back considering the likes of Stef Oakes and Stuart Wilson who, don't forget, played many games for the first team (and each scored more than once) before skittling down the leagues.
Muz Posted 29 June 2005 Posted 29 June 2005 Thats good news , i go to watch Mansfield quite abit normally get to about 8 games a season , ill report back on how he's doing .
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