purpleronnie Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Not all too sure this happens regularly at Parkhead. Section 111 where the GB are all stand every game have done for years.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Section 111 where the GB are all stand every game have done for years. Correct, but not without hassle.
1964FOX Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 To be fair, there are now two areas in our ground where you can stand without hassle and with the exception of Leeds standing at away games is not a problem. I do think safe standing will be introduced in England, in only takes one premiership club to start the ball rolling. For all his faults Mr Barclay was even happy to b a pilot for a permitted standing area in our own stadium if permission from the football league was obtained. Yes I know it's easier said than done but he would be open to change, you just have to play the game with him and do things properly.
davieG Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 It is one thing to have an orderly exit and quite another to have peeps jumping up and down in excitement, though seeing a poznan collapse down the stand would be mildly ammusing True but exits aren't always orderly in my experience so the incline should be designed to minimise the impact of any surge on the steps by having less of an incline but then I'm rarely impressed by the exits at most of the new stadiums I've been to, some of the concourses for example are far to narrow and full of obstructions including ours.
banko71 Posted 19 December 2011 Author Posted 19 December 2011 To be fair, there are now two areas in our ground where you can stand without hassle and with the exception of Leeds standing at away games is not a problem. I do think safe standing will be introduced in England, in only takes one premiership club to start the ball rolling. For all his faults Mr Barclay was even happy to b a pilot for a permitted standing area in our own stadium if permission from the football league was obtained. Yes I know it's easier said than done but he would be open to change, you just have to play the game with him and do things properly. Whilst i dont want to turn this thread into a Kevin Barcley thread he is a complete t**t.Following my ban from the KP last season i had to put up with a lecture from him on standing and the fact that he wanted everyone that stands at the KP banned for LIFE. He told me and i quote that L1,K1,SK1 and SK3 was a real problem that he would deal with it. Thankfully when the new owners were brought in he was removed from his position,I know it was a promotion but it got him away from the fans and it seems that at the minute the new man in the box is a bit more fan friendly. Barcley is a c**k and no matter what anybody tells me he is not to be trusted.It's his way or the highway.
Stig the Lawnmower Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 it wouldn't be difficult to make standing safe - sensible barriers to stop surging - careful monitoring of numbers (the lack of which was the sole cause of the hillsborough disater)- members or season tickets only, any trouble membership or season ticket recinded. I hate having to stand up during a match to let someone shuffle past for a pee. the sooner the better, ther's no valid artgument against it
Kitchandro Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Sorry but I don't see the point in these mosern safestanding areas. From what I gather they are just areas with different kind of seats, and people can choose whether to sit or stand in those areas, just as they can do now. I'm not sure if this is just one idea or the only way it can be 'safe', but how is that way any different to what we have now? I have the choice to sit or stand at home games and I choose to stand. These new ideas would hardly be cramming people in like the od terraces were and that's surely one of the main attractions of the whole idea.
1964FOX Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Whilst i dont want to turn this thread into a Kevin Barcley thread he is a complete t**t. Following my ban from the KP last season i had to put up with a lecture from him on standing and the fact that he wanted everyone that stands at the KP banned for LIFE. He told me and i quote that L1,K1,SK1 and SK3 was a real problem that he would deal with it. Thankfully when the new owners were brought in he was removed from his position,I know it was a promotion but it got him away from the fans and it seems that at the minute the new man in the box is a bit more fan friendly. Barcley is a c**k and no matter what anybody tells me he is not to be trusted.It's his way or the highway. I hate to tell you this but he is still the man in the box, nothing has changed there. I have had personal differences with Kevin and I completely disagre with some of his beliefs and methods, I was just pointing out not everything attributed to him is true.
Kitchandro Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 it wouldn't be difficult to make standing safe - sensible barriers to stop surging - careful monitoring of numbers (the lack of which was the sole cause of the hillsborough disater)- members or season tickets only, any trouble membership or season ticket recinded. I hate having to stand up during a match to let someone shuffle past for a pee. the sooner the better, ther's no valid artgument against it This is the most important thing and I can't see how it would be an issue now. The standing area would be a seperate block only accessible from particular turnstiles and only a certain amount of tickets would be sold there. The problem with Hillsborough is they just let everyone barge through the gates without tickets. So obviously you don't want so many people in there so that it's dangerous but also you don't want there to be the same amount as we have in each block now, there has to be more people in there than now otherwise there's no point. Even if we did legalise it I can imagine the authorities not letting a reasonable amount of people in the stadning areas.
banko71 Posted 19 December 2011 Author Posted 19 December 2011 I hate to tell you this but he is still the man in the box, nothing has changed there. I have had personal differences with Kevin and I completely disagre with some of his beliefs and methods, I was just pointing out not everything attributed to him is true. Yea sorry,not having a pop at you but he just makes my blood boil.
1964FOX Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Yea sorry,not having a pop at you but he just makes my blood boil. Yes I can understand he does have that effect.
purpleronnie Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Correct, but not without hassle. Really ,when did they get hassle for standing?
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Sorry but I don't see the point in these mosern safestanding areas. From what I gather they are just areas with different kind of seats, and people can choose whether to sit or stand in those areas, just as they can do now. The difference is there's barriers, which we don't have now, and the seats can be locked up or down, depending on the kind of accomodation required by the rules of the competition (i.e. locked up for Bundesliga games, down for UEFA cup competitions). It's safer than what we have now.
Kitchandro Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 The difference is there's barriers, which we don't have now, and the seats can be locked up or down, depending on the kind of accomodation required by the rules of the competition (i.e. locked up for Bundesliga games, down for UEFA cup competitions). It's safer than what we have now. So it seems it would be safer but I'm not sure it would be any more like the old terracing than what we've got now, the version I saw anyway. Would these seats be the same length apart (across and vertically) as they are now? How frequent are the barriers? And by 'locked down' I assume you mean the bottom part of the seat being locked down, which would mean you'd be forced to sit on it if it was a UEFA Cup game?
Maybes Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 So it seems it would be safer but I'm not sure it would be any more like the old terracing than what we've got now, the version I saw anyway. Would these seats be the same length apart (across and vertically) as they are now? How frequent are the barriers? And by 'locked down' I assume you mean the bottom part of the seat being locked down, which would mean you'd be forced to sit on it if it was a UEFA Cup game? Just come back from visiting Germany on a football trip. The safe standing roadshow model is the model that would be used over here where there is a barrier on every row. The away end at Leverkusen uses this model.
Guest Bilo Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Just come back from visiting Germany on a football trip. The safe standing roadshow model is the model that would be used over here where there is a barrier on every row. The away end at Leverkusen uses this model. What did you think to it Maybes?
Kitchandro Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Just come back from visiting Germany on a football trip. The safe standing roadshow model is the model that would be used over here where there is a barrier on every row. The away end at Leverkusen uses this model. You see to me, it doesn't look much different to standing in front of your seat. You don't look crammed in at all. In fact it looks like you'd have more room if anything. If I've got this hopelessly round my neck I apologise.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 So it seems it would be safer but I'm not sure it would be any more like the old terracing than what we've got now, the version I saw anyway. Would these seats be the same length apart (across and vertically) as they are now? How frequent are the barriers? And by 'locked down' I assume you mean the bottom part of the seat being locked down, which would mean you'd be forced to sit on it if it was a UEFA Cup game? The seats would be pretty similar to what we have now, yes. German grounds still have to host major all-seated matches, so they still need good supporter facilities. The barriers are always there but according to the Safe Standing Roadshow do not cause visibility issues due to their height. The actual "seat" part of the seats are locked down during European and International games, yes and the idea is that supporters sit, but due to the barriers still being there, I've never really seen this heeded to when I've watched Champions League highlights on TV.
Maybes Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 What did you think to it Maybes? Yeah I liked it but I am bound to say that as I'm pro standing. Been on the terraces at Gladbach and Bochum on previous visits which are both like the old fashion terraces we used to see here but with the occassional wave breaker barrier every 5 rows or so. You see to me, it doesn't look much different to standing in front of your seat. You don't look crammed in at all. In fact it looks like you'd have more room if anything. If I've got this hopelessly round my neck I apologise. Basically nailed it there.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Basically the idea is you can stand, safely and without breaking ground regs. The more frequent (or sometimes staggered, but that's too similar to the old model to ever get going in this country) barriers prevent forward surges, which are the major fear about standing areas. It's more similar in appearance to what we have now than the old style, yes. But it would increase capacities (I believe each "seat" is sold twice in some German stadia so two people can occupy one spot on two steps?) and hopefully allow a more natural atmosphere to redevelop in England.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 VERY happy with this news. It's probably the only thing the jocks would be ahead of us in. Unfortunately the government, and FA will never allow it here. They'll keep hiding behind hillsborough as their excuse. The Germans can do it, why can't we? It's far more dangerous to be stood in a seating area than in dedicated areas. There were some posters on here who were talking about bringing the safe standing roadshow to our ground. Apparently our mayor was interested in coming to see it, as was my MP Andrew Bridgen (however misinformed he was in the emails he sent me.) Unfortunately its exactly the same on here as it is with the improvement of atmosphere. PLENTY of people complain, yet when they need to stand up (excuse the pun) n be counted most go running. I will re-register my willingness to help do whatever I can. Someone needs to dig that thread up and get in touch with the safestanding crew. Standing will be beneficial to everyone. The atmosphere at grounds will improve, plus better enjoyment for fans who want to either stand or sit. Noone behind you hassling you to sit down, and equally if you are sitting down you won't need to hassle them! Clubs are scared of one thing, it being too popular
ithuriel Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 ? That look's doable, maybe when the ground is being expanded it could be asked if an area like that could be created for those that want to stand and that could Leicester pioneer such an area in England. Get a local MP on side and you never know.
Jimmy Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 That look's doable, maybe when the ground is being expanded it could be asked if an area like that could be created for those that want to stand and that could Leicester pioneer such an area in England. Get a local MP on side and you never know. do that to the East stand and we could get a Maine Road esq L1 section extended down the whole side of the pitch
acooling08 Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 do that to the East stand and we could get a Maine Road esq L1 section extended down the whole side of the pitch Let's not go nuts.
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