BENTHEBLUE Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Yesterday i had the pleasure of talking to a chap that has several connections to the youth academy and we got talking, i obviously cannot name names which is unfortunate but apparently many of the academy coaches are not happy with the way pearson is being towards the academy lads. I know he is busy enough with first team matters but there are certain young players who have supposedly good talent becoming frustrated at lack of interaction with pearson, i think there maybe some substance i.e bantons comments, Who may i add in my opinion was not too long away from being around the squad ability wise.
sphericalfox Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 This sounds like good news. Sven brought nothing but aul rubbish that Prem teams were chasing anyways. Best to destruct the academy and send out a rep that joining us is futile.
oadby_fox723 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Can I ask what is meant by frustrated at lack of interaction ?
sphericalfox Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Can I ask what is meant by frustrated at lack of interaction ?
AoWW Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Can I ask what is meant by frustrated at lack of interaction ? Pissed off with being ignored / overlooked.
Jimmy Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Can I ask what is meant by frustrated at lack of interaction ? if the Manager doesn't even watch them train, speak to them/coaches or watch the occasional match then how would he know anything about them whether they have a future here or not?
Danny the Fox 95 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 heard that harry panatiyou is on his way out, thought he had potential as I saw he was always scoring in the under 18's a few weeks ago.
ramadaone Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 It was the same last time round - no love lost between some of the Academy set up and Pearson Along similar lines if you get 5 mins read the Stoke forum who are even more critical of Pullis and their Academy who he has no time for at all - perhaps just knock the Academies on the head ?
ithuriel Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Yesterday i had the pleasure of talking to a chap that has several connections to the youth academy and we got talking, i obviously cannot name names which is unfortunate but apparently many of the academy coaches are not happy with the way pearson is being towards the academy lads. I know he is busy enough with first team matters but there are certain young players who have supposedly good talent becoming frustrated at lack of interaction with pearson, i think there maybe some substance i.e bantons comments, Who may i add in my opinion was not too long away from being around the squad ability wise. You come here, not naming any names apart from what have been mentioned in this forum over the past few day's, saying you are in the know etc., with no shred of proof slating poeple. Seem's a bit fishy to me, low post count too, i'm going to take everything you say with a pinch of salt unless you can verify or actually come out with something that a person who hang's around the player's dressing room would know. I'm not a very trusting person as you can tell :xmaswink:
oadby_fox723 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 if the Manager doesn't even watch them train, speak to them/coaches or watch the occasional match then how would he know anything about them whether they have a future here or not? What I first thought too. Surely this is "suicidal" if Pearson is ignoring the academy set up. Not asking to be updated on those players all the time, but keeping in contact with Jon Rudkin and watching u18 matches every now and then, to cast an eye over them isn't demanding too much...?
Jimmy Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 What I first thought too. Surely this is "suicidal" if Pearson is ignoring the academy set up. Not asking to be updated on those players all the time, but keeping in contact with Jon Rudkin and watching u18 matches every now and then, to cast an eye over them isn't demanding too much...? no and it could literally save the club millions, say for instance Konchesky got injured and we threw George Taft in as we couldn't get a replacement in time and he proved to be a success, you suddenly have good cover when Konchesky is back
ivarti Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Academies are not the long term future. Teams in the Championship and Premier League cannot rely on academy players. With all the money flushed out on single players the way forward is to let other clubs run academies and that academy players no longer belongs to clubs at the highest level. The system is wrong and too many young talents end their football life too early and becomes garbage at a very young age. Academies today has no purpose, why, because most of the players are chipped out and have no future long term. Clubs use a lot of money in their academies but it is waste of money. In the last 20 seasons at Leicester, only Stearman, Mattock and Heskey have managed to establish them in a Leicester team and progressed. King and Gradel, both good players also, are not really City academy lads coming to the club from other clubs at the age of 17 or 18. Establish clubs and teams that only can use players from their own ranks that compete and only use players at an age of U.23. This would bring football to more communities and on a broader area, and at the same time keep players longer in the game. UEFA must plan for the future and that is to keep talent as long as possible in the game and maybe use money that today is flushed out to Champions League contenders to a more broader group and controll that this money is used on player developement. Players who are best at the age of 15 or 16 might not be the best when they are 21.
Jimmy Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Academies is not the long term future. For teams in the Championship and Premier League it is life that cannot rely on academy players. With all the money flushed out on single players the way forward is to let other clubs run academies and that academy player no longer belongs to clubs at the highest level. In the USA they draft players and this should be introduced in England as well. Certain clubs should be given licenses to run youth team and keep players to the age of 23, with a league of players at U.23 level. This would give players time to evolve and get a longer learning curve than today. Academies today has no purpose, why, because most of the players are chipped out and have no future long term. Clubs use a lot of money in their academies but it is waste of money. In the last 20 seasons at Leicester, only Sterman, Mattock and Heskey have been with the club from the age of 15. King and Gradel, both good players also, are not really City academy lads coming to the club from other clubs at the age of 17 or 18. King has been here since he was about 15, he had been in the academy a couple of years before his debut, at 17
Narborough_fox Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Oh Maxi Gradel... My fears are coming true with NP. Favourites and a lot like last time round not using the academy correctly.
ivarti Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 King was released by Chelsea, maybe he arrived at the club at the age of 15, and then must be regarded as a City academy player.
Father Ted Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Does it really matter? The better prospects will go out on loan and then scouts/academy coaches/ loan club will report back to say how theyre getting on. Its no big fuss really as very rarely will a youth player get chucked straight into the first team.
dog_4 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 yet he loans in all the kids on loan from Liverpool and Man utd! must be dead set against playing kids! ie cleverley,davies,giving king his chance,Hobbs,Robbie Brady,cameron stewart,chester and dudgeon! do you ever see big clubs coming after our acedemy players? no,because there shite!
Chap84 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 If this is true then it's 1 of pearson's major problems and why he isn't the long term answer because he tends to loan players from other teams youth setups than to use are own? But on the other hand wasn't it him who brought king to the full squad? I'm in favour of giving some of them a chance after all look what can happen Heskey , Rooney just to name a couple.
dog_4 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 any of these kids he's not played gone on to better things! oh yeah billy kee went burton albion! whoooooooop
Narborough_fox Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 any of these kids he's not played gone on to better things! oh yeah billy kee went burton albion! whoooooooop Max Gradel who Pearson fell out with has done pretty well for himself since leaving.
dog_4 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 he's hardly gone man utd has he! you don't win a league,finish 5th have a 53% win rate and have poor judgement! give him a chance everyone!
Thracian Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Southampton might say their youth set-up has been a blessing and a financial life-saver. And there's more coming through from what I've been told. The success of an Academy is down to three things. The people taken into them, the quality of the coaching they get and the commitment to seeing them through their development. If any of these things are poor the Academy will be an expensive social service. If all three things are excellent the Academy will thrive and the benefits will be considerable. We seem to miss one out completely now - the commitment to completing a player's development or, in other words, seeing that he reaches his full potential is just not there any more because the reserve team no longer exists in a worthwhile form. The consequence can be seen in the lack of anyone new coming through since pre-Holloway. I'm not sure about the quality of coaching either over a period of time and through the various age and team levels. Yes, Beaglehole did well from my own observations. His teams always had organisation, attitude, a commitment to attack and a refreshing energy that gave them a chance against anyone. Even when they graduated from the Academy into reserves league football, when Beaglehole was involved the team flourished and players progressed with Logan, Stearman, Sheehan, Mattock, King, Gradel, Porter, Odihambo and Chambers all making the first team at one stage or another. But few, if any, improved at Leicester thereafter. Our first team became more like a cul-de-sac for aspiring footballers than anything. Those mentioned might have won the shirt but even double-figure goalscorer King seems to have gone backwards now. And when I've seen the results of our senior coaching over recent years I'm not surprised and have mentioned the shortcomings on many occasions. Some will snigger and say it proves the kids weren't good enough. Well I just don't accept it. Nor do i accept that of all our Academy graduates in the last three or four years, none of them were good enough to come through and if they weren't it is an utter condemnation of our recruiting team. There must be other reasons because once a good and progressive youth set up is established new players of quality come through almost every season thereafter because good players "breed" good players. They only fail to come through if they lack the opportunity, the opposition or the quality of coaching necessary. And when i think of how rarely we score from corners, how poor our free-kicks are, how little movement we have up front, how little running off the ball and overlapping we have, how casual and disorganised our throw-ins are, how poor the first touch of our players often is, how badly our team supports one another collectively, how lacking in energy we seem, how few of our players have good shooting technique and any number of other things there is no reason for anyone to snigger. Because all the above is reflected in our almost constant lack of success in recent seasons - and the increasinlgy indifferent performances of supposedly good players whether they've come through our ranks or from elsewhere (Danns, Fernandes, St Leger, Abe, Beckford, Dyer, King, Wellens the list goes on and on ...) Think for a moment and consider if one single player has come to Leicester in the last 10 years and really flourished. By that I mean became a better player than we all expected him to be. Cleverly and Davies were on loan remember. Maybe Konchesky or Kasper but they've not been here long. Otherwise I can think of no-one and even if I've forgotten one or two it's not a good advert.
The Doctor Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Thracian playing completely in character as usual with regards to the academy, but only one mention of Gradel and Sheehan - both as part of a simple list? You're losing your edge. Now then, worrying if true, but Pearson did quite a bit for King's development and the loans he made in his previous spell (Gilbert, Cleverley, Spearing to name but 3) and at Hull suggest he isn't adverse to giving youth a chance, which makes me think that maybe, just maybe, our academy players aren't good enough to make the cut?
Thracian Posted 30 December 2011 Posted 30 December 2011 Thracian playing completely in character as usual with regards to the academy, but only one mention of Gradel and Sheehan - both as part of a simple list? You're losing your edge. Now then, worrying if true, but Pearson did quite a bit for King's development and the loans he made in his previous spell (Gilbert, Cleverley, Spearing to name but 3) and at Hull suggest he isn't adverse to giving youth a chance, which makes me think that maybe, just maybe, our academy players aren't good enough to make the cut? Sorry Al, Gilbert was dire, I can't even remember Spearing and I don't class bringing in loanees as "developing" our players. You may be right about our current Academy players - I saw little to get excited about in the FA Youth Cup - but that in itself says little for our recruitment and, again, our recruitment even at senior level seems indifferent..
Jace Posted 30 December 2011 Posted 30 December 2011 A good youth set up is very important long term but lets not forget the shower of short term goals Pearson has been lumbered with at the moment. The way I see it the more time he spends over the next week attempting to make some decent signings for our midfield the better
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