Category A Academy from Next season

[Dan LCFC]

The whole idea is a fvcking disgrace. It seems to me all that will happen is the bigger clubs will have it even easier and even cheaper to take it off the smaller clubs, so whilst they make a very limited saving, the smaller clubs will make a more significant loss.

It's an absolute joke and the fact we've got to pay £2.8mil to join category A says it all to me, who exactly will receive this £2.8mil?

Oh, I can probably guess. All the cvnts and parasites at the FA/FL.

Another money-making scheme that proves they could not care less about anyone outside of the Premier League bar those with a bit of money.

They need scrapping, more football fans, ex-players, more working class people working in there, rather than a bunch of bearded businessman who've never attended a game in their life.

[shade]

i destest what football has become, the top flight in particular. the only way forward, as far as i can see it, is to have a cap on what you can spend each year on players and a cap on the wages you can pay. in theory, a good manager could get a group of players together, organise them well and within a couple of years, win the premier league. never going to happen currently.

[Captain...]

1. I didnt say it was.... I said it was a fact of life, and certainly football

2. As I said, if you don't agree with Leicester City having money, go and support a team who don't..to have your attitude and still support City is hypocritical

3. We'll have to wait and see.....

Don't say we will wait and see, answer the question, how will you feel about the proposals if we are not a class A academy?

[Dan LCFC]

Today, smaller clubs continue to develop and sell-off their own young players for far bigger fees than ever happened previously, in relative terms... this has actually enabled a number of clubs to stay afloat.

That's exactly why they shouldn't put the idea in.

So it'll be even harder for smaller clubs to generate money, whilst sides like Man City can handpick the best youngsters for even cheaper than they could before. Even though they could probably afford any player on earth.

It's an absolutely disgraceful rule. It shouldn't have even been considered.

[Col city fan]

Don't say we will wait and see, answer the question, how will you feel about the proposals if we are not a class A academy?

You stop bring hypocritical and support another team and I'll answer your question. Otherwise, be happy that we now have money to be able to attract better players... You can't have it both ways as you well know.

Regarding the Academy, I consider ourselves to be in a very fortunate position that we would have a very good chance of getting Class A status.

And again, that's due to money...

Fact of life... I haven't said its morally correct, but it's how it is.

Are you now going to follow a side without the backing we have? It's only fair...?

[Captain...]

i destest what football has become, the top flight in particular. the only way forward, as far as i can see it, is to have a cap on what you can spend each year on players and a cap on the wages you can pay. in theory, a good manager could get a group of players together, organise them well and within a couple of years, win the premier league. never going to happen currently.

The FIFA financial fairplay rules is a start, it will stop clubs spending above their means, although Man City have got round it by sponsoring themselves 200million as a way of injecting funds, but at least there is some attempt to put a cap on it and stop clubs being financially mismanaged to the point of extinction.

[Captain...]

You stop bring hypocritical and support another team and I'll answer your question. Otherwise, be happy that we now have money to be able to attract better players... You can't have it both ways as you well know.

Regarding the Academy, I consider ourselves to be in a very fortunate position that we would have a very good chance of getting Class A status.

And again, that's due to money...

Fact of life... I haven't said its morally correct, but it's how it is.

Are you now going to follow a side without the backing we have? It's only fair...?

I have been ignoring your comments about me being a hypocrit becasue they are nonsensical, I don't support Leicester because of the money, I support them because they are my club, I have and will continue to support whether rich or poor.

I understand where you are coming from but can you take your blue tinted glasses off and not see the bigger picture that it is wrong, I am not and have not said we as a club should not have a class A academy, I am saying as fans we should be opposed to this ruling and creation of class A academies, and we should not celebrate just because we will be able to take advantage of it.

[davieG]

Is this really true?

When Liverpool dominated Europe during the 70's was the squad full of 'home-grown' talent?

Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, Keegan to name but four..did they come up through Liverpool's ranks... I don't think so?

Leeds... when they dominated under Revie.. was their squad full of 'Leeds lads'... I don't think so?

And maybe the best example has to be Blackburn, who came from nothing to Prem League Champs because of money made from Steel... Were Shearer and Sutton Yorkshire Lads like?

I concur, the Prem League has 'upped the anti', so to speak, but this has been going since when...the early 90's ie. a very very long time.

Today, smaller clubs continue to develop and sell-off their own young players for far bigger fees than ever happened previously, in relative terms... this has actually enabled a number of clubs to stay afloat.

The 'top few' have always been present... I think you are resorting to nostalgia to consider otherwise.

And finally, yes.. if our excellent Academy develops just one or two good players that we can move into out first team within the next few years, I'll be well happy.

Well you missed my point by a mile as I didn't say that, sure players were made up from other clubs but they were bought for a decent fee after being developed by their home town team. The lower league FL clubs were feeder clubs to the top tier of course but they were sustained by the fees they got, this, if it hasn't already will totally disappear.

Blackburn is totally irrelevant because it was after the introduction of the PL which is primarily responsible for the mess that a large number of FL clubs finder themselves in, so probably the worst example you could quote in response to my viewpoint.

The number of players being sold for decent fees is nothing like the scale it used to be, yes one or two fees are exceptional, that hasn't changed but the number that get a decent fee has sunk considerably.

Well if we manage to bring a few players through no one will be more delighted than me but I just don't see how we will get any better players than we already get, granted they may well end up better educated and better prepared for failure but as for better than we already get I just don't believe it will happen.

Just like everything the PL promise for those not involved in it like a more successful England team.

[Col city fan]

I have been ignoring your comments about me being a hypocrit becasue they are nonsensical, I don't support Leicester because of the money, I support them because they are my club, I have and will continue to support whether rich or poor.

I understand where you are coming from but can you take your blue tinted glasses off and not see the bigger picture that it is wrong, I am not and have not said we as a club should not have a class A academy, I am saying as fans we should be opposed to this ruling and creation of class A academies, and we should not celebrate just because we will be able to take advantage of it.

I'm sorry but you merely come across as the worst type of socialist.

The type who knocks those who invest in something in an attempt to improve it ( and to generate further income) then will revel in the success that may bring.

You can't have both... You can't enjoy the stadium improvements, the training facilities, the big name signings that Thai money has brought the club, then knock the people who have done this.

If we go up this season and four million pound Matt Mills scores the winner in the Wembley play off final will you be overjoyed that we have achieved our aim, or will you be criticising the fact that we have paid a massively inflated fee for a player who Reading may well have wanted to keep?

Think about it... You can't have both..

I'm being serious.. If you don't like what football has become then you need to support another club who are not directly benefitting from foreign investment.. Because Leicester City are now one of those clubs you are claiming to be 'unfair'..

Personally, I love the fact we have great facilities, a great stadium and can sign a better standard of player.

[davieG]

You stop bring hypocritical and support another team and I'll answer your question. Otherwise, be happy that we now have money to be able to attract better players... You can't have it both ways as you well know.

Regarding the Academy, I consider ourselves to be in a very fortunate position that we would have a very good chance of getting Class A status.

And again, that's due to money...

Fact of life... I haven't said its morally correct, but it's how it is.

Are you now going to follow a side without the backing we have? It's only fair...?

Stop with all this follow another team it's simply a sign that you can't put forward a logical reasoned argument.

[ramadaone]

The whole idea is a fvcking disgrace. It seems to me all that will happen is the bigger clubs will have it even easier and even cheaper to take it off the smaller clubs, so whilst they make a very limited saving, the smaller clubs will make a more significant loss.

It's an absolute joke and the fact we've got to pay £2.8mil to join category A says it all to me, who exactly will receive this £2.8mil?

Oh, I can probably guess. All the cvnts and parasites at the FA/FL.

Another money-making scheme that proves they could not care less about anyone outside of the Premier League bar those with a bit of money.

They need scrapping, more football fans, ex-players, more working class people working in there, rather than a bunch of bearded businessman who've never attended a game in their life.

You don't have to pay the FA £2.8M thats how much its going to cost you to run a Cat A academy

On avareage our Academy has produced 4 football league players each year ( guessing that most of these are in the lower leagues unfortunately )

Even the very top Academies only work on a 5% sucess rate so we are not doing to badly

In theory yes the top boys will be able to pinch your best players for peanuts but they can only pinch so many as they won't have enough coaches + education facilities themselves - as they take "better" players in then the not quite so good ones will be released and as we all know kids develop at different ages and its often one of the late developers who comes through at 17 or 18.

I'm not a big fan of the new system but like any other business we'll just have to be a bit sharper than our competitors - as they say there are more than one way to skin a cat so I'm sure we can come up with some "novel ideas" on how to keep our best young players

[Col city fan]

Well you missed my point by a mile as I didn't say that, sure players were made up from other clubs but they were bought for a decent fee after being developed by their home town team. The lower league FL clubs were feeder clubs to the top tier of course but they were sustained by the fees they got, this, if it hasn't already will totally disappear.

Blackburn is totally irrelevant because it was after the introduction of the PL which is primarily responsible for the mess that a large number of FL clubs finder themselves in, so probably the worst example you could quote in response to my viewpoint.

The number of players being sold for decent fees is nothing like the scale it used to be, yes one or two fees are exceptional, that hasn't changed but the number that get a decent fee has sunk considerably.

Well if we manage to bring a few players through no one will be more delighted than me but I just don't see how we will get any better players than we already get, granted they may well end up better educated and better prepared for failure but as for better than we already get I just don't believe it will happen.

Just like everything the PL promise for those not involved in it like a more successful England team.

? It's all relative Dave...

When Forest signed Francis from Birmingham for a million quid this was considered huge huge money for the time... Hardly a 'decent fee'?

And this was pre Sky and the Prem League

There are tons of examples where the big few signed prodigious talent from 'smaller clubs' for what was considered to be huge fees for the time.

It's always been apparent.... I didn't miss your point, I simply didn't agree.

I'm not saying all this is right, fair and proper.. Don't get me wrong.. But it's how it is and always has been, relatively speaking.

[Col city fan]

Stop with all this follow another team it's simply a sign that you can't put forward a logical reasoned argument.

No need to be rude Dave.. Its one argument.. Same as yours is

[Captain...]

I'm sorry but you merely come across as the worst type of socialist.

The type who knocks those who invest in something in an attempt to improve it ( and to generate further income) then will revel in the success that may bring.

You can't have both... You can't enjoy the stadium improvements, the training facilities, the big name signings that Thai money has brought the club, then knock the people who have done this.

If we go up this season and four million pound Matt Mills scores the winner in the Wembley play off final will you be overjoyed that we have achieved our aim, or will you be criticising the fact that we have paid a massively inflated fee for a player who Reading may well have wanted to keep?

Think about it... You can't have both..

I'm being serious.. If you don't like what football has become then you need to support another club who are not directly benefitting from foreign investment.. Because Leicester City are now one of those clubs you are claiming to be 'unfair'..

Personally, I love the fact we have great facilities, a great stadium and can sign a better standard of player.

I am not criticisng our owners for trying to acheive the best status for our academy, I am not blaming them, I am not unhappy that we have good backing, I have always been very positive about the way they have spent their money, supported the team and looked to build great facilities.

This is not about our owners, this is not about Leicester City, this is about not being happy with bringing in a new rule that will have a serious negative impact on all but the richest clubs.

I am not opposed to Leicester having a Class A academy I am opposed to the concept of Class Academies and that they will be able to take in talent from all over the country at the expense of the local clubs.

[Col city fan]

I am not criticisng our owners for trying to acheive the best status for our academy, I am not blaming them, I am not unhappy that we have good backing, I have always been very positive about the way they have spent their money, supported the team and looked to build great facilities.

This is not about our owners, this is not about Leicester City, this is about not being happy with bringing in a new rule that will have a serious negative impact on all but the richest clubs.

I am not opposed to Leicester having a Class A academy I am opposed to the concept of Class Academies and that they will be able to take in talent from all over the country at the expense of the local clubs.

How can you be opposed to the concept of Class A academies and not be opposed to Leicester City potentially having one?

Just enjoy the success we are currently having at the club and stop feeling guilty because we could potentially develop still further.

Cognitive dissonance is no good for anyone

Either embrace it and go with it, or shout from the rooftops about how unfair the world has become.

No point enjoying something whilst thinking its not really right to is there?

[jamesmilner]

surely any investment in a club is progression . anyone seeing this as unfair to others needs to realise money talks always will . would i like my club to be a man city / chelsea club ? yeah too right ! you need good investment to be a premier league team and thats what football i want to see at the kp . some strange opinions on here .

[artursteppe]

You are such a lily livered leftie aintcha!

'co-operation not competition' is your mantra yes?

I'm a City fan, I want the best academy in the country if possible. And if that means that Walsall or Hartlepool don't have one well, Cest la vie.

Life's a zero sum game mate.. There are always winners and losers.

I bet you want to ban competitive sports in Schools too eh?

Blimey, I actually agree with you. ( First time for everything ).

[Dan LCFC]

Strange opinions.

I bet these are the same people who complain about the state of football, yet will happily see the state of it drop further for benefits to your own club.

There's a line for me, this is passing it, it's criminal.

[Col city fan]

Blimey, I actually agree with you. ( First time for everything ).

Please don't.. I'd rather not be associated with ya...

Just kiddin bud

[Col city fan]

i destest what football has become, the top flight in particular. the only way forward, as far as i can see it, is to have a cap on what you can spend each year on players and a cap on the wages you can pay. in theory, a good manager could get a group of players together, organise them well and within a couple of years, win the premier league. never going to happen currently.

If that is the case you must also hate Leicester City Football Club..

Look at what we have just done with Wes Morgan...

For a relatively nominal fee, we have 'poached' one of Forest's better players, a real fans favourite, at a time in which they are in turmoil.

This could well herald, or at least be a contributory factor, in their likely relegation. This will financially cripple their club still further.

Why have we done this?

Simple... Because we COULD.. We have money to spend, they haven't.

Are you bothered about it?

Really?

Or are you actually happy that Morgan could be a key defender for us, if not this season, then possibly next?

RELATIVELY speaking, what LCFC have done with Morgan is no different to what Man City did with Adam Johnson, or Man Utd did with Rooney.. Ie secured those signings because they had the money to do so.

If anything, we have been even more unscrupulous because we have signed Morgan for a knock down fee, as he is a free agent in the summer.

At least Man City and United paid considerable sums of money to the respective clubs for the two aforementioned starlets.

Are you now then going to criticise LCFC for doing this, rip up your season ticket and no more follow the Evil that is contemporary football?

No?

Thought not.....

[Captain...]

How can you be opposed to the concept of Class A academies and not be opposed to Leicester City potentially having one?

Just enjoy the success we are currently having at the club and stop feeling guilty because we could potentially develop still further.

Cognitive dissonance is no good for anyone

Either embrace it and go with it, or shout from the rooftops about how unfair the world has become.

No point enjoying something whilst thinking its not really right to is there?

It is really, really simple.

I am a Leicester fan,

I don't want other clubs to be able to steal all of the talent on our doorstep whilst still being limited to a 90 mile catchment area, I think you can agree with me here.

I don't want Leicester to lose it's academy, this would make me angry, are you with me so far.

I want Leicester to be successful, come on you have to agree with that point.

If the choice is having a category A academy or not then I am grateful that the owners have the financial clout to make it a possibility, but this is still not confirmed and if we are not able to get that status then we will be ****ed over, keep up because the next one is the important one.

I have the power of empathy and can put myself in the shoes of the fans of the other 60 odd clubs that do not have the financial backing to have a category A academy, these clubs will not be able to recruit any good young players because they will be snapped up by bigger clubs, they will lose a vital source of their income and will eventually close their academies. I can think of how angry I woudld be at us closing our academy and then multiply it and apply it to the millions of fans of other clubs across the country, that is how I come to the conclusion that this is not a fair initiative.

This is without considering how it will affect the development of young talent in this country, young players will be effectively judged at 9-11 and if they are not good enough for the big clubs they will be cast aside and nobody will pick them up, those that are chosen will have to either be seperated from their family or their family will have to move to Manchester to give their potential Messi a chance, they wouldn't even have a choice if the local academies are closed.

Now do you get it, now do you understand?

[accessory]

Anyone who doesn't have ambition for their club cannot be considered to be a true supporter.

The owners have once again shown they are committed to the club for the long haul.

Category A status for our academy will help us to build and maintain a sustainable future for Leicester City at the highest level (ie the Premier League).

While it's true we may not be able to attract the very best of young talent, we can use the experience of Max Gradel and Andy King (who were both rejected at top clubs before coming here and are now internationals) to show that we can play a positive role in helping players develop.

We've been stuck for most of the past decade in a league that is too cowardly to introduce the reforms and modernisation (such as cutting the number of clubs and therefore fixtures) needed to promote the interests of the game. But King Power see us as being a Premier club in waiting, and so should we.

[Col city fan]

It is really, really simple.

I am a Leicester fan,

I don't want other clubs to be able to steal all of the talent on our doorstep whilst still being limited to a 90 mile catchment area, I think you can agree with me here.

I don't want Leicester to lose it's academy, this would make me angry, are you with me so far.

I want Leicester to be successful, come on you have to agree with that point.

If the choice is having a category A academy or not then I am grateful that the owners have the financial clout to make it a possibility, but this is still not confirmed and if we are not able to get that status then we will be ****ed over, keep up because the next one is the important one.

I have the power of empathy and can put myself in the shoes of the fans of the other 60 odd clubs that do not have the financial backing to have a category A academy, these clubs will not be able to recruit any good young players because they will be snapped up by bigger clubs, they will lose a vital source of their income and will eventually close their academies. I can think of how angry I woudld be at us closing our academy and then multiply it and apply it to the millions of fans of other clubs across the country, that is how I come to the conclusion that this is not a fair initiative.

This is without considering how it will affect the development of young talent in this country, young players will be effectively judged at 9-11 and if they are not good enough for the big clubs they will be cast aside and nobody will pick them up, those that are chosen will have to either be seperated from their family or their family will have to move to Manchester to give their potential Messi a chance, they wouldn't even have a choice if the local academies are closed.

Now do you get it, now do you understand?

Look at my post above about Morgan.. Is that 'fair'

The world isn't 'fair' never has been, never will be.

There are far far more issues in football that can invoke debate about the presence or absence of 'level playing fields' than this one about academies.

IF this is the way things will go, I merely want what is best for the club.

Neither you nor I can do anything about the multitude of other factors that may be involved.

Do you finally see where I'm coming from?

Or do you work for the FA or the premier league and can directly influence policy to create a 'fairer football'?

If you do and you can then please do so because the whole world of football is getting madder.

However, it is what it is... Comprende?

[Captain...]

Look at my post above about Morgan.. Is that 'fair'

The world isn't 'fair' never has been, never will be.

There are far far more issues in football that can invoke debate about the presence or absence of 'level playing fields' than this one about academies.

IF this is the way things will go, I merely want what is best for the club.

Neither you nor I can do anything about the multitude of other factors that may be involved.

Do you finally see where I'm coming from?

Or do you work for the FA or the premier league and can directly influence policy to create a 'fairer football'?

If you do and you can then please do so because the whole world of football is getting madder.

However, it is what it is... Comprende?

No i can't influence the FA, and I know exactly where you are coming from, I hvae not criticised you or your point of view towards us having an academy, but there is still the chance that we will not get category A status and get fvcked over, the more fans all over the country disagree with this, and raise the profile of the fact that this is unfair, expecially those that will benefit from it the more likely we are to get someone to review it and hopefully stop, i am not going to hold my breath though.

With regards to Morgan, that is more down to Forest's mismanagement not ours, we actually did them a favour by buying him now rather than letting him go for free in the Summer. The fact that some clubs are richer than others is irrelevant to the fact the FA are looking to increase that gulf, under the misguided belief that it will benefit the national team in the long run.

[Col city fan]

No i can't influence the FA, and I know exactly where you are coming from, I hvae not criticised you or your point of view towards us having an academy, but there is still the chance that we will not get category A status and get fvcked over, the more fans all over the country disagree with this, and raise the profile of the fact that this is unfair, expecially those that will benefit from it the more likely we are to get someone to review it and hopefully stop, i am not going to hold my breath though.

With regards to Morgan, that is more down to Forest's mismanagement not ours, we actually did them a favour by buying him now rather than letting him go for free in the Summer. The fact that some clubs are richer than others is irrelevant to the fact the FA are looking to increase that gulf, under the misguided belief that it will benefit the national team in the long run.

I'm sorry but you seem very naive..

If Forest had the money we have they would have resigned Morgan... Or most likely they would of anyway.. I doubt they really wanted to sell him if truth be told. And certainly their fans didn't want to see him go.

Anyway... Enough already. You continue to support City whilst ignoring the fact that WE are now proponents of exactly some of the stuff you claim to abhorring.

I'm happy to support what appears to be a progressive, forward thinking club.

And if this means we need to invest to develop a Class A Academy, then so be it. I can't control this so I'm reassured that we would at least have a chance to comply.

Rightly or wrongly!

Take care mate