stockyfox Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 I asked the question last night ‘Can the ref be charged with bringing the game into disrepute? Of course, he wouldn’t because the ‘men in suits’ – the FA - regard their appointed officials as paragons of virtue. As Alan Young said, ‘Referees don’t always get it right, but they are never wrong.’ Indeed, they are so much never wrong that to even mildly suggest that they might have made a slight error in their judgement is regarded by the FA as tantamount to blasphemy. Like Daleks, the ‘men in suits’ cry out ‘Disrepute! Disrepute! Disrepute!’ To my mind, the standard of refereeing these days is by and large, diabolical and it is not just the man in the middle, it is also those running the line and the fourth official. I accept that refs are human and are obliged to make instant decisions but so are referees in Rugby or even more so, test cricket umpires who make critical decisions, which when reviewed, are proved time and time again to be ‘spot on’. Yet, with so much at stake in professional football today, with huge monetary rewards given for success, with jobs on the line, managers, players, etc. etc, one might expect that the officials, purportedly there to ensure that each game is played fairly, would therefore demonstrate a more responsible approach in the way they control the game. However the standard of officiating at last night’s game was not only poor, it was totally and utterly unacceptable. The ramifications which must surely follow, should enable everyone concerned with the game to determine just how sincere the FA are in practising what they preach. If you wonder what that is, then check out the link below. http://www.thefa.com...tMatchOfficials Respect! Erm – yes ? What does it mean? It means everybody should respect the FA and their appointed disciples - that is ‘officials’. What doesn’t it mean? It doesn’t mean that the FA and officials will respect you whoever you are. We, the FA, are the untouchables, we are always right, you are always wrong. We know it all, you know nothing. Not only was the officiating of last night’s game punctuated by decisions that made a mockery of the rule book or prompted thousands of fans to arrange an eyesight check asap, but there were several incidents that were allowed to pass without comment from the officials. If Sean St Ledger thought he was playing in a game of football, then he thought wrong. He was in the ‘blue’ corner and was lucky to survive a technical knockout as the elbows rained into his face. At the end of the first 45 minute round, things were fairly even apart from the fact that the crowd were very disrespectful to the officials . Then during half-time, it transpired that Nigel Pearson was also disrespectful to the referee who , with due regard for the FA’s Code of Conduct viz: Deal with all instances of violence, aggression, unsporting behaviour, foul play and other misconduct (Do) Not tolerate offensive, insulting or abusive language or behaviour from players and officials Set a positive personal example by promoting good behaviour and showing respect to everyone involved in the game Politely burst in the City’s Dressing Room, uninvited and unannounced and had to suffer the indignity of Nigel Pearson talking to his players and not listening to him. Nigel Pearson then told the referee where to go – presumably the way back onto the pitch – but he obviously didn’t tell him correctly and decided that he would tell Nigel Pearson which way to go to sit in the stand. In the absence of any further evidence, I have to conclude that the above description of the half-time events is the kind of argument that the referee might say to the FA in justifying what he did. Nigel Pearson will not have to say anything – because he won’t be given the chance! But if he does, then his punishment might be doubled. One other thought that gave me some concern was when Ian Stringer interviewing Danny Drinkwater, asked his opinion of some of the decisions. Everybody had their own thoughts of course but for Danny to have said anything untoward could have landed in trouble. The Daleks would be ready to pounce.
yorkie1999 Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 I thought it was a bit tactless when stringer tried to pump Danny Drinkwater about what had gone on, especially as he is new to the club, I think Nigel should tell the players to say No Comment at any question that is private to the club. Stringer is a reporter, not a private eye, and is always asking leading questions that if a player doesn't answer correctly could drop him in it. Not really in the interests of the club but more for abusing his position and creating an image of a super slueth.
Thrill Bert Fox Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 I agree stringer really needs to understand his position and not try and damage the club by asking leading questions. His time might be better spent improving his commentary skill. I was at the match last night but ,my son who is away at university listened to the commertary only to hear stringer announce leicester had taken a 2 - 1 lead - youngie confirmed the ball was not in the back of the net. Come on stringer focus on what you are paid for and not stop tyring to catch players out.
Thrill Bert Fox Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 On the topic of the ref don't you just love it when you see them point to their chests to say I am in charge. His peerformance was by far the worst I have seen in some 35 year of watching football and I have seen some shockers. We all understand that its not an easy job but making that many errors it totally unacceptable. Even the easy ones ie when you pace out the distance for a free kick and the wall starts to move forward it should be pretty easy to spot. As far as I am aware when humans walk forward you can see their legs moving!! Come on FA sort it out and give us paying fans answers and quality refs.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 I asked the question last night ‘Can the ref be charged with bringing the game into disrepute? He didn't really bring the game into disrepute. That would imply that he caused football as a whole to look bad. All he did was make himself look bad by disregarding common courtesy and breaking with convention by entering the dressing room uninvited. That on top of a dreadful performance on the pitch.
yorkie1999 Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 Problem is that he's pretty much unaccountable which means he can be open to corruption etc (not saying he is or anything)
leicestercity_ Posted 2 February 2012 Posted 2 February 2012 I agree stringer really needs to understand his position and not try and damage the club by asking leading questions. His time might be better spent improving his commentary skill. I was at the match last night but ,my son who is away at university listened to the commertary only to hear stringer announce leicester had taken a 2 - 1 lead - youngie confirmed the ball was not in the back of the net. Come on stringer focus on what you are paid for and not stop tyring to catch players out. i watched the game on a stream and listened to stringer aswell, he really does miss bits out!! needs to improve.
Thracian Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 He didn't really bring the game into disrepute. That would imply that he caused football as a whole to look bad. All he did was make himself look bad by disregarding common courtesy and breaking with convention by entering the dressing room uninvited. That on top of a dreadful performance on the pitch. When people start publicly questioning referees honesty then it is getting mighty close to bringing the game into disrepute. It's bad enough that betting firms are so deeply involved in the game and that the variety of bets is so much greater now - making potential corruption easier and more tempting. But football is so involved I even get emails encouraging me to bet by offering a free £5 wager if I do this or that. The problem is that, without referees there are no football matches and the referees are able to hold a gun to the authorities' heads as a result. Just how bad last night's referee looked to so many fans is indicated by the controversy he's managed to cause in a drawn game that was played in a manner that was rarely even close to passionate. Leicester fans might deserve criticism at times for their luke-warm support during uninspiring home games or for slagging off off individuals but I don't think they're habitually unfair to referees even when we've lost. In my experience contentious decisions are analysed and discussed in great detail and referees given credit if they're right whatever it did for the result. But last night wasn't about a contentious decision or a momentary lapse. It was about the referee's minute-by-minute performance which attracted so much and such universal criticism there's no chance it wasn't deserved. And not only did he make poor decisions he compounded them by punishing others, including our manager, for telling him so. Players and managers are punished for their reactions but why should the referees be absolved for provoking those reactions without justification? . For me the Respect campaign has always been flawed. Respect is something that's earned, not imposed or demanded. Yet it is essential that the football authorities develop referees who command respect. Sadly this one didn't fit the requirements at all. Not even with the little things.
philce Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 One question, can you be offside from a goal kick?
stockyfox Posted 3 February 2012 Author Posted 3 February 2012 One question, can you be offside from a goal kick? No!
philce Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Yet another change by the suits then! Since when?
Maybes Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Yet another change by the suits then! Since when? Since, well always I think.
Dan Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Absolutely spot on Stocky. Such a big-headed, ignorant mentality from the authorities, but nothing new for them sad bastards with their beards and their tweed seeing whatever's in it for them, and proving their power whenever they can. If they defend anything about Ward's display then the last 0.1% of faith will have gone. Indefendable.
Daggers Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Bitching about a ref is one of the most pathetic things someone can do and confirms that they've totally missed the point that football is a game. "Yet, with so much at stake in professional football today, with huge monetary rewards given for success, with jobs on the line, manag...blah...blah...blah..." It's a game. Eleven men kicking a ball about trying to score more goals than a different bunch of eleven men. It's not life or death, it's not going to create or lose jobs, people aren't going to be made homeless as a result of a single decision on the pitch. It's only a fvcking game. Grow the fvck up, staple on a pair and deal with the fact that life has swings and roundabouts.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Bitching about a ref is one of the most pathetic things someone can do and confirms that they've totally missed the point that football is a game. "Yet, with so much at stake in professional football today, with huge monetary rewards given for success, with jobs on the line, manag...blah...blah...blah..." It's a game. Eleven men kicking a ball about trying to score more goals than a different bunch of eleven men. It's not life or death, it's not going to create or lose jobs, people aren't going to be made homeless as a result of a single decision on the pitch. It's only a fvcking game. Grow the fvck up, staple on a pair and deal with the fact that life has swings and roundabouts. The ref may have lost his job, bank fore closed on his home and is now homeless
ozleicester Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 I thought it was a bit tactless when stringer tried to pump Danny Drinkwater about what had gone on, especially as he is new to the club, I think Nigel should tell the players to say No Comment at any question that is private to the club. Stringer is a reporter, not a private eye, and is always asking leading questions that if a player doesn't answer correctly could drop him in it. Not really in the interests of the club but more for abusing his position and creating an image of a super slueth. Bollocks! Stringer is there to get information and news for his listeners, we do not want another "toe the line" mouthpiece for the club. The players are big enough and trained enough to know what they can and cannot say. Stringers efforts in actually asking tough questions of NP and the club is one of his actual qualities. If you want the clubs opinion on anything, go to the OS, if you want the truth..go with who asks the tough questions.
philce Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Bollocks! Stringer is there to get information and news for his listeners, we do not want another "toe the line" mouthpiece for the club. The players are big enough and trained enough to know what they can and cannot say. Stringers efforts in actually asking tough questions of NP and the club is one of his actual qualities. If you want the clubs opinion on anything, go to the OS, if you want the truth..go with who asks the tough questions. Strings was asking all the questions that we were thinking! They are professionals and are trained to answer, hence the controlled and very measured response from NP.
harpendenfox Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Daggers, thank you for sharing the phrase 'staple on a pair'. I like it very much and intend to plagiarise it relentlessly. You make decent points too. If it can be proved that the ref was cheating, then we have a problem. If he simply had a 'mare, then what's new? If the ref had't had a mare on Saturday, Konch would have been sent off, result might have been different. Refs have a harder job than cricket umpires and rugby refs, simply because the game is more fluid
stockyfox Posted 3 February 2012 Author Posted 3 February 2012 Just to clarify one or two points: It was Ian Stringer’s questioning of specifically Danny Drinkwater that gave me some concern. Nigel Pearson is quite capable of side-stepping any awkward questions but it could be so easy for Danny to comment quite innocently on the referee’s decisions and performance and then find himself facing a charge of disrepute as a result. A question asking for his evaluation of his own performance would have been just as interesting if not more so. Re money and jobs etc. In the 50’s and 60’s, I remember my uncle used to wind me up something rotten about the City, especially if they’d lost and even worse at home. ‘Nasty shower over Filbert St!’ he would say. ‘Twenty two grown men kicking a bag of wind with nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon.’ Yes, it is just a game but what depth of passion it provokes. The feelings and emotions of thousands, nay millions of fans of all ages around the world, whatever colour or creed, are stirred out of all proportion to it being ‘just a game’. Daggers said it’s not life or death. I recall the great Bill Shankley saying the same thing but he went on to add ‘It’s more important than that!’ Today, Football is about money. Millions of pounds are there for those clubs, players and others who enjoy success. Players wages are almost obscene yet their hard-working fans, many of whom have to work for a year or more to earn what their heroes get in a week, will find the cash to cover their travel and extravagant admission prices, week in, week out, whether the team are at home or away, and by so doing, contribute to those wages. Of course, referees are essential for a game to take place but it is the ineptitude of those at the top who are slow to move with the times, their reluctance to accept technology into the game, even though every game now has cameras present but above all it is their intransigence in refusing to acknowledge any criticism and their fear that by doing so, their authority may be undermined. And in my humble opinion, I find it most regrettable that they are so content with the poor, even abject standard of refereeing and appear to do very little to raise those standards. They have a Code of Conduct which is most laudable but their failure to then enforce those principles is an insult to every person involved whether at club level or just paying fans.
Jimbo Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Bitching about a ref is one of the most pathetic things someone can do and confirms that they've totally missed the point that football is a game. "Yet, with so much at stake in professional football today, with huge monetary rewards given for success, with jobs on the line, manag...blah...blah...blah..." It's a game. Eleven men kicking a ball about trying to score more goals than a different bunch of eleven men. It's not life or death, it's not going to create or lose jobs, people aren't going to be made homeless as a result of a single decision on the pitch. It's only a fvcking game. Grow the fvck up, staple on a pair and deal with the fact that life has swings and roundabouts. but it does though
Dan Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 Bitching about a ref is one of the most pathetic things someone can do and confirms that they've totally missed the point that football is a game. "Yet, with so much at stake in professional football today, with huge monetary rewards given for success, with jobs on the line, manag...blah...blah...blah..." It's a game. Eleven men kicking a ball about trying to score more goals than a different bunch of eleven men. It's not life or death, it's not going to create or lose jobs, people aren't going to be made homeless as a result of a single decision on the pitch. It's only a fvcking game. Grow the fvck up, staple on a pair and deal with the fact that life has swings and roundabouts. A game that you've took enough interest in to mount over 4k posts on a forum about a specific club.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 3 February 2012 Posted 3 February 2012 First those that say "it's only a game" really are missing something Second there is enough money in the game to have fully trained and supported officials if that is what football wants. For some reason this is not what they want Finally when the ref spoke to the Player who had elbowed SSL for the best part of 2 minutes what was he saying ?
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.