Why do we ALWAYS pick on our own players!?

[chris_lcfc_85]

All the more reason to prepare properly and find a way to actually compete with a technically better side.......

Where was the bite, the hussle, the attempt to knock them out of their rhythm, there wasn't any!

We played our usual wide open 4-4-2, the same way that was not even good enough to get a point at Bristol.......

Sure there was some running about, some physical effort but where was the mental effort, the discipline, the intensity, or the desire to get after the opposition? Did you see any, I'm pretty sure I didn't.....

We actually played 4-3-3 for a fair chunk of the game....

If Pearson had of changed the formation before the game and started slightly different and then we'd got well beaten, fans would be asking why he'd changed it!!!...

[Austin]

It's Gallaghers fault you feel this way..

[ealingfox]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Dismissing it as "Haters gon' hate" or any bullshit like that, which I imagine the players do on Twitter etc to any kind of criticism is foolish. When it is pure mud-slinging or a misguided opinion then by all means disregard it, but when our players are doing things wrong or badly, one shouldn't feel bad or guilty about pointing it out.

For me, as an aside, Gallagher has not been good enough all season when he has played, and I have no problem admitting I want him out of the team, at least just for away matches, as soon as possible.

[marbelladave]

Really? I thought we hustled very well, even the commentators were saying how under pressure Chelsea seemed on the ball. We dispossessed them in their own half far more than I've seen us do to any Championship team.

Not for the 16 minutes that actually matters we didn't!

Some changes were made after the second goal but by then Chelsea were taking it very easy indeed, they were dwelling on the ball and giving us ample opportunity to press but we made nothing of it.

We actually played 4-3-3 for a fair chunk of the game....

If Pearson had of changed the formation before the game and started slightly different and then we'd got well beaten, fans would be asking why he'd changed it!!!...

We switched formation after the game was decided, about 20 minutes in. Still little in the way of real effort and intensity though.

[Mack]

And the massive increase in wages for players and managers (which we end up paying for) has absolutely nothing to do with it?

When people are paid more in a week than most fans are in a year and fail to do their job to the required standard, the fans are fully entitled to have a pop, whether at grounds or online.

Just because a player is plaid 10 times more than the average man doe that make him super human?

The fault for high wages lies with agents and clubs, not players.

If you were offered silly amounts of money would you turn them down?

[chris_lcfc_85]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Dismissing it as "Haters gon' hate" or any bullshit like that, which I imagine the players do on Twitter etc to any kind of criticism is foolish. When it is pure mud-slinging or a misguided opinion then by all means disregard it, but when our players are doing things wrong or badly, one shouldn't feel bad or guilty about pointing it out.

For me, as an aside, Gallagher has not been good enough all season when he has played, and I have no problem admitting I want him out of the team, at least just for away matches, as soon as possible.

I agree, constructive critiscm is fine and to be expected after the season we've had so far but for someone to say there wasnt enough effort yesterday is ridiculous!!!

[chris_lcfc_85]

Not for the 16 minutes that actually matters we didn't!

Some changes were made after the second goal but by then Chelsea were taking it very easy indeed, they were dwelling on the ball and giving us ample opportunity to press but we made nothing of it.

We switched formation after the game was decided, about 20 minutes in. Still little in the way of real effort and intensity though.

Presume your one of the Pearson haters then that would prefer someone else in charge?

[Webbo]

It's Gallaghers fault you feel this way..

Chelsea were 1 or 2 levels above our players, world class everyone. The truth is they thought, reacted and passed quicker and better than our players. It wasn't lack of effort on our part they just made us look slow and lazy in comparison.

PS "Boring", "hoofball" Pearson certainly proved a few people wrong. We tried to play the ball on the ground and we had a go. Whether that was the right tactic is debatable but it wasn't boring.

[ealingfox]

I agree, constructive critiscm is fine and to be expected after the season we've had so far but for someone to say there wasnt enough effort yesterday is ridiculous!!!

All round, I thought we were excellent in the first half and the effort was there the whole 90, so I agree. Although watching the highlights back today there does appear to me quite a serious lack of effort from Schmeichel of all people, astonishing considering the season he's had, the fixture we were playing in and his father was in attendance...

[Guest Col city fan]

The forum seems to be split currently.

There are the 'fanatical' fans who cheer at everything, sing at everything and who brand anyone who isn't perhaps like-minded, with shouts of 'glass half empty', 'haterz' or 'bores'...

This type is generally happy with the fact that we seem to be slightly improving, that we scored two goals against Chelsea and will argue that next season will be 'our season'...

Typically, comments such as 'when Beckford gets going he will be unstoppable' can be heard from this corner.

Or that Neil Danns is going to be the player that inspires us to success next season.

The second corner perhaps suggests that this season has been really pretty poor. That we actually gave a poor account of ourselves at Chelsea and that marked improvement is needed for next season if it's not gonna end up like this one. This corner has perhaps enjoyed better days with Leicester City... Wembley trips, play off triumphs and genuinely good players, underpinned by tactical efficiency.

The first group will knock any criticism, however constructive it may be, of any player that is currently in vogue.

The second group will continue to try to give their opinions based upon what they have seen before.

Such is a football forum and this one is no different.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

The forum seems to be split currently.

There are the 'fanatical' fans who cheer at everything, sing at everything and who brand anyone who isn't perhaps like-minded, with shouts of 'glass half empty', 'haterz' or 'bores'...

This type is generally happy with the fact that we seem to be slightly improving, that we scored two goals against Chelsea and will argue that next season will be 'our season'...

Typically, comments such as 'when Beckford gets going he will be unstoppable' can be heard from this corner.

The second corner perhaps suggests that this season has been really pretty poor. That we actually gave a poor account of ourselves at Chelsea and that marked improvement is needed for next season if it's not gonna end up like this one. This corner has perhaps enjoyed better days with Leicester City... Wembley trips, play off triumphs and genuinely good players, underpinned by tactical efficiency.

The first group will knock any criticism, however constructive it may be, of any player that is currently in vogue.

The second group will continue to try to give their opinions based upon what they have seen before.

Such is a football forum and this one is no different.

This . . . . . . . . . .

typically from glass half empty Col

[marbelladave]

Presume your one of the Pearson haters then that would prefer someone else in charge?

I do not hate anyone, not even Forest or Coventry, I just don't do it......

I love my football and I love my club but I must admit to being pretty fed up at the moment. I was reasonably happy to see NFP back at the Club but really dissapointed to see that in 4 months in charge he has no not moved us forward one iota.

The issues with the squad must run pretty deep if NFP can not get the team properly motivated for a game like sunday, I do not know where to lay the blame, manager, individual players or the team as a whole, but what we have seen in the last few months is not good enough by a long way!......

[Guest Col city fan]

I do not hate anyone, not even Forest or Coventry, I just don't do it......

I love my football and I love my club but I must admit to being pretty fed up at the moment. I was reasonably happy to see NFP back at the Club but really dissapointed to see that in 4 months in charge he has no not moved us forward one iota.

The issues with the squad must run pretty deep if NFP can not get the team properly motivated for a game like saturday, I do not know where to lay the blame, manager, individual players or the team as a whole, but what we have seen in the last few months is not good enough by a long way!......

Though you and I generally agree on most stuff Dave, joking aside, I think your 'fed upness' is a little excessive mi old mate.

Pearson is and has moving things on, albeit more slowly than I would have hoped. But then, he's not had time to address the issues within the squad. He must be given at least the summer.

What Pearson has done is made some decent signings, got rid of one or two, got Beckford playing better and seems to have developed a more balanced team.

Finally, with Mills, he has demonstrated that no player is bigger than the club.

So, yea, not as good as it could be, but moving in the right direction imo.

And I still feel the summer will see a number of players come and go.

[Happy Fox]

I do not hate anyone, not even Forest or Coventry, I just don't do it......

I love my football and I love my club but I must admit to being pretty fed up at the moment. I was reasonably happy to see NFP back at the Club but really dissapointed to see that in 4 months in charge he has no not moved us forward one iota.

The issues with the squad must run pretty deep if NFP can not get the team properly motivated for a game like sunday, I do not know where to lay the blame, manager, individual players or the team as a whole, but what we have seen in the last few months is not good enough by a long way!......

I think the players were overawed by the occasion that is not necessarily NP's fault, when we conceded the two goals in the manner we did it was a sucker punch but the players cannot be faulted for their effort yes their was naivety at times but Chelsea were on a completely different level to us, so overall wasn't to despondent it a work in progress atm, it is going to take time for NP to sort the team out the signs are encouraging.

[marbelladave]

The forum seems to be split currently.

There are the 'fanatical' fans who cheer at everything, sing at everything and who brand anyone who isn't perhaps like-minded, with shouts of 'glass half empty', 'haterz' or 'bores'...

This type is generally happy with the fact that we seem to be slightly improving, that we scored two goals against Chelsea and will argue that next season will be 'our season'...

Typically, comments such as 'when Beckford gets going he will be unstoppable' can be heard from this corner.

Or that Neil Danns is going to be the player that inspires us to success next season.

The second corner perhaps suggests that this season has been really pretty poor. That we actually gave a poor account of ourselves at Chelsea and that marked improvement is needed for next season if it's not gonna end up like this one. This corner has perhaps enjoyed better days with Leicester City... Wembley trips, play off triumphs and genuinely good players, underpinned by tactical efficiency.

The first group will knock any criticism, however constructive it may be, of any player that is currently in vogue.

The second group will continue to try to give their opinions based upon what they have seen before.

Such is a football forum and this one is no different.

Actually Col, I think it is much simpler than that.......

One group thinks that our team has a decent attitude and puts in the proper amount of effort both physical and mental and the other thinks that they don't......

I guess you know where I stand......

[LCFC_FAN_1995]

We criticize them on a forum, at least we don't do stuff like the Wolves fans did to O'Hara

[Guest Col city fan]

Actually Col, I think it is much simpler than that.......

One group thinks that our team has a decent attitude and puts in the proper amount of effort both physical and mental and the other thinks that they don't......

I guess you know where I stand......

And that's where we disagree of course Dave.

I don't think it's about 'effort'... It goes deeper than that.

We didn't lose yesterday because we didn't 'try hard enough'.. We lost because the gulf in class between the two sides was bigger than even I thought it would be, and also because Pearson played with a too high line.

I feel pissed off with Pearson today because I thought the result could have been closer. And for him to then suggest in the post match interview that we made too many defensive errors? Well, who picked that team and set up the formation?

It wasn't 'lack of effort Dave' IMO it was about we just ain't good enough and we didn't have enough savvy to give ourselves at least half a chance.

The 'let's attack them' thread epitomises the lack of reality that exists amongst some of our fans.. I would have rather seen a more tactically adept performance and a closer scoreline.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I think as a squad we have been treading water for a couple of seasons now and i think, i hope, i know NP will get things on a better level by next season

[LCFC_FAN_1995]

Having a discussion lets call it on twitter with a girl and she says Gallagher has done more than anyone else is the squad

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Having a discussion lets call it on twitter with a girl and she says Gallagher has done more than anyone else is the squad

I hope you are "tackling" her about the issue . . . . . . .

[accessory]

Having a discussion lets call it on twitter with a girl and she says Gallagher has done more than anyone else is the squad

She isn't called Hayley, by any chance, is she?

[marbelladave]

Though you and I generally agree on most stuff Dave, joking aside, I think your 'fed upness' is a little excessive mi old mate.

Pearson is and has moving things on, albeit more slowly than I would have hoped. But then, he's not had time to address the issues within the squad. He must be given at least the summer.

What Pearson has done is made some decent signings, got rid of one or two, got Beckford playing better and seems to have developed a more balanced team.

Finally, with Mills, he has demonstrated that no player is bigger than the club.

So, yea, not as good as it could be, but moving in the right direction imo.

And I still feel the summer will see a number of players come and go.

Fair comment Col, my grumpyness is getting a bit much......

I am quite happy to give NFP time but equally I am dissapointed that in 4 months he has failed to put any real backbone into the team, we played yesterday like it was a training game and that it didn't really matter, maybe it just didn't, to them anyway.....

I think the players were overawed by the occasion that is not necessarily NP's fault, when we conceded the two goals in the manner we did it was a sucker punch but the players cannot be faulted for their effort yes their was naivety at times but Chelsea were on a completely different level to us, so overall wasn't to despondent it a work in progress atm, it is going to take time for NP to sort the team out the signs are encouraging.

We conceded 2 early goals because we made no effort to compete with Chelsea from the off. Our attitude was unfathomable when it should have been intense and focused, it really did look like the players, like most of the fans, were only 'there for the beer'.....

[LCFC_FAN_1995]

I hope you are "tackling" her about the issue . . . . . . .

She isn't called Hayley, by any chance, is she?

Shaz_LCFC is her twitter name apparently overall he takes good Corners aswell

[marbelladave]

And that's where we disagree of course Dave.

I don't think it's about 'effort'... It goes deeper than that.

We didn't lose yesterday because we didn't 'try hard enough'.. We lost because the gulf in class between the two sides was bigger than even I thought it would be, and also because Pearson played with a too high line.

I feel pissed off with Pearson today because I thought the result could have been closer. And for him to then suggest in the post match interview that we made too many defensive errors? Well, who picked that team and set up the formation?

It wasn't 'lack of effort Dave' IMO it was about we just ain't good enough and we didn't have enough savvy to give ourselves at least half a chance.

The 'let's attack them' thread epitomises the lack of reality that exists amongst some of our fans.. I would have rather seen a more tactically adept performance and a closer scoreline.

Of course we are not good enough to knock Chelsea out of the cup (on paper anyway) but I really did believe that we would have made them work much harder for their win.

Agree with you entirely about our formation and setup and I assume that is down to NFP, but the way the underdog gets a result in a game like sundays is to be intense and focused and get after the opposition, which we really did not do.

Sure we ran about a lot, made a few tackles, even got a few shots on goal but at no point did I get the impression that any of our players believed they could get anything out of the day, and to be frank, thats how they played.

That's what I mean by lack of effort......

[foxaholic]

Of course we are not good enough to knock Chelsea out of the cup (on paper anyway) but I really did believe that we would have made them work much harder for their win.

Agree with you entirely about our formation and setup and I assume that is down to NFP, but the way the underdog gets a result in a game like sundays is to be intense and focused and get after the opposition, which we really did not do.

Sure we ran about a lot, made a few tackles, even got a few shots on goal but at no point did I get the impression that any of our players believed they could get anything out of the day, and to be frank, thats how they played.

That's what I mean by lack of effort......

However bad a side we have had since Martin Oneil we have always given a good display in the cup Spurs Charlton when premier Chelsea when relegated I cant remember getting beat by 3 goals when underdogs and on this account very disappointing especially with the support we had