Budget 2012 - Thoughts?

[Bellend Sebastian]

Daily Mail, 8th February

"Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says study"

Which came as a surprise to, err, nobody except those who are devout readers of the Daily Mail.

It's brilliant that they can do this because they only put in on their website, safe in the knowledge that people like my entire family that read the print version of the Mail are too frightened of computers for there to be any risk of them ever seeing it

[Saxondale]

The people I consider to be "lower down the chain of society" are those who bleed the system dry, those who pop out kids they can't and never will be able to afford, those lazy barstewards who rely on the hard-working to subsidise their fags, booze, plasma tellies etc. I suspect the majority of these live in poorer areas and would vote Labour.

My folks didn't really have a pot to piss in when I was a kid - b&w telly, second hand clothes, a week at Butlins if we were lucky - but they taught me the value of hard work and never expecting something for nothing. Too many want something for nothing these days and those "down the chain" would appear - certainly from my anecdotal evidence - to believe things are their god-given right.

I am a Tory, yes. And totally proud of it, too.

Too many arrogant left-wingers seem think that having the gift of the silver spoon is a prerequisite for holding conservative values. As a stereotype it is no more or less offensive or incorrect than the stereotype that black people throw spears around.

I, too, am from a piss-poor background but I happen to think you should be rewarded for working hard and not be taxed to buggery for doing so.

[Daggers]

Osbourne been an MP since 2001 knows nothing

Caroline Lucas a professional politician since the turn of the century must have gained insight.

Hmm, I don't see it myself.

I'm not surprised given the Daily Mail findings but I'll try one more time.

Osborne has never, ever, at all, in his entire life, held fiscal responsibility for anything other than his pocket money. With me so far?

Lucas is considered to be one of the country's foremost speakers on Green issues due to her considerable direct experience in this area.

Does that make it a little easier or are you still struggling to differentiate the two things?

[NeilyBoy]

Daily Mail, 8th February

"Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says study"

Which came as a surprise to, err, nobody except those who are devout readers of the Daily Mail.

[Webbo]

I'm not surprised given the Daily Mail findings but I'll try one more time.

Osborne has never, ever, at all, in his entire life, held fiscal responsibility for anything other than his pocket money. With me so far?

He's been chancellor for 2 years, does that count?

Lucas is considered to be one of the country's foremost speakers on Green issues due to her considerable direct experience in this area.

That's a bit like being the foremost expert in belly button fluff, nobody gives a shit.

[Daggers]

Too many arrogant left-wingers seem think that having the gift of the silver spoon is a prerequisite for holding conservative values. As a stereotype it is no more or less offensive or incorrect than the stereotype that black people throw spears around.

Pardon me for commenting upon something which doesn't involve me, not being a left-winger and all but:

1. Everyone knows that the bulk of the traditional Tory support comes from dozy pensioners and Sun&Mail-buying morons, the sort who will gullibly swallow everything spoon fed to them.

2. If you seriously believe that someone mistakenly thinking all Tories are the product of inherited wealth is in any way as wrong as racism then I guess that links back to point 1 quite nicely, without the need for further comment.

[Saxondale]

1. Everyone knows that the bulk of the traditional Tory support comes from dozy pensioners and Sun&Mail-buying morons, the sort who will gullibly swallow everything spoon fed to them.

So you're just wheeling out another crooked stereotype in order to make a point?

[Daggers]

That's a bit like being the foremost expert in belly button fluff, nobody gives a shit.

Obviously you don't, and neither does your party going by the budget even though they made very clear promises before the election which they have roundly broken. Which she said. Which was the point, whether you give a fvck about it or not, but thank you for verifying it in your own idiom.

Now we can get back to cheesecake.

[Saxondale]

Profiteroles.

[NeilyBoy]

He's been chancellor for 2 years, does that count?

If anything his time as chancellor's proof against his fiscal credentials.

That's a bit like being the foremost expert in belly button fluff, nobody gives a shit.

Yeah, fvck environmental responsibility and doing the right thing for future generations.

[Daggers]

So you're just wheeling out another crooked stereotype in order to make a point?

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.â€

― Christopher Hitchens

I just reckoned that since you were spouting ridiculous shit I'd join in.

Did the point get made or do you still feel as affronted as a black woman after she's been called a nigger by a man in a white pointy hat?

[Zingari]

He's been chancellor for 2 years, does that count?

That's a bit like being the foremost expert in belly button fluff, nobody gives a shit.

It’s no coincidence that belly button fluff is always blue though !

[sphericalfox]

It’s no coincidence that belly button fluff is always blue though !

Yes but bellend fluff is always grey, what does that mean?

[NeilyBoy]

Yes but bellend fluff is always grey, what does that mean?

That you need to wash your cock more often?

[Saxondale]

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.�

― Christopher Hitchens

I just reckoned that since you were spouting ridiculous shit I'd join in.

Did the point get made or do you still feel as affronted as a black woman after she's been called a nigger by a man in a white pointy hat?

I can only assume you either don't understand my point (unlikely) or you're trying to be comically flippant in order to deflect away from it (very likely).

[sphericalfox]

That you need to wash your cock more often?

people wash their cocks!?!!!

[Saxondale]

people wash their cocks!?!!!

Some people wash all of their body.

I use an electric water pumping and heating device called a shower. It's bloody brilliant!

[sphericalfox]

Some people wash all of their body.

I use an electric water pumping and heating device called a shower. It's bloody brilliant!

I use KFC lemon wipes

(cue Frank Skinner stand-up gag rip-off comments)

[Saxondale]

I use KFC lemon wipes

(cue Frank Skinner stand-up gag rip-off comments)

Equally as good, to be fair.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Lamely put, me and the missus will see a combined extra of £80 per month. Given that we've just ordered sofas on interest free, this increase will mean we won't notice the additional cost per month. Can't complain at that

[dave the caveman]

It's a very good budget. If the minute and obscure issue of freezing of pensioners tax allowance is the biggest moan-in topic, then they've done a good PR job. Particularly like the increase in the tax free allowance which helps vast swathes of ordinary workers, and the reduction in corporation tax through the patent box which has already attracted a £500m investment from GlaxoSmithKline is superb.

Overall really good stuff. It's telling that the resident serial moaner of this forum has resorted to taking childish pot shots at the chancellor. But then what can you expect from the left wing but monumental idiocy and total lack of understanding. That Caroline Lucas article is absolutely pathetic. If she has knows anything about basic economics then she is doing a good job at hiding it. Sometimes I struggle to comprehend how some people can be so wrong about everything, every single time.

[reynard]

I'm not surprised given the Daily Mail findings but I'll try one more time.

Osborne has never, ever, at all, in his entire life, held fiscal responsibility for anything other than his pocket money. With me so far?

Lucas is considered to be one of the country's foremost speakers on Green issues due to her considerable direct experience in this area.

Does that make it a little easier or are you still struggling to differentiate the two things?

How many chancellors have had fiscal responsibility for anything outside politics?

Maudling and Helaey both read classics

Howe, Clarke and Darling all read law

Brown and Osborne both read history

of the others in my lifetime that I can recall

Lawson and Jenkins both read Philosophy,Politics and economics

lamont economics and what a disaster he was.

Strangely the only two who had what might be called any relevant real life experience were Callaghan who worked for the inland revenue and Major who worked in banking.

The truth is it doesn't matter as all departments are basically run by civil servants and ministers don't usually seem to know what they are talking about most of the time.

[sphericalfox]

It's a very good budget. If the minute and obscure issue of freezing of pensioners tax allowance is the biggest moan-in topic, then they've done a good PR job. Particularly like the increase in the tax free allowance which helps vast swathes of ordinary workers, and the reduction in corporation tax through the patent box which has already attracted a £500m investment from GlaxoSmithKline is superb.

Overall really good stuff. It's telling that the resident serial moaner of this forum has resorted to taking childish pot shots at the chancellor. But then what can you expect from the left wing but monumental idiocy and total lack of understanding. That Caroline Lucas article is absolutely pathetic. If she has knows anything about basic economics then she is doing a good job at hiding it. Sometimes I struggle to comprehend how some people can be so wrong about everything, every single time.

I wonder how many Conservatives will benefit from that deal and what other shady caveats for their investments bar the patent box they've managed to wrangle from the government. Yes there's a few hundred jobs in a local area to beenfit in about 6/7 years time, but the 3rd largest pharmo company in the world most likely scored a hat trick through an open goal on this one.

[dave the caveman]

I wonder how many Conservatives will benefit from that deal and what other shady caveats for their investments bar the patent box they've managed to wrangle from the government. Yes there's a few hundred jobs in a local area to beenfit in about 6/7 years time, but the 3rd largest pharmo company in the world most likely scored a hat trick through an open goal on this one.

Glass half empty kind of person, aren't you? It's a £500m investment and will create up to 1000 jobs. That alone won't change much, but when dozens, hundreds of other large companies do the same, then you have yourself a vibrant economy. The government will benefit in some way no doubt, but so will the people and that's what matters.

The patent box was a labour idea by the way, before you jump to conclusions about it being evil just because it's tory.

[sphericalfox]

Glass half empty kind of person, aren't you? It's a £500m investment and will create up to 1000 jobs. That alone won't change much, but when dozens, hundreds of other large companies do the same, then you have yourself a vibrant economy. The government will benefit in some way no doubt, but so will the people and that's what matters.

The patent box was a labour idea by the way, before you jump to conclusions about it being evil just because it's tory.

Firstly I didn't denigrate the patent box idea. Creating up to 1000 jobs is great. But when dozens or hundreds of companies as you believe will follow, you may have yourself a short term growth, but the long-term implications of selling your soul, I would have thought by now, in evidence is a bad idea, not a good one. The Conservatives have in the past have given fair old chunks of the economy to large multi-nationals and everything turned out alright didn't it? And look who got screwed over in the long term, was it the Tories? No it was the people. And it's them that matter, isn't it?