Budget 2012 - Thoughts?

[Rincewind]

what about beer? petition here to stop extra taxes on it.

http://[email protected]

sign if you like beer.

[dave the caveman]

Firstly I didn't denigrate the patent box idea. Creating up to 1000 jobs is great. But when dozens or hundreds of companies as you believe will follow, you may have yourself a short term growth, but the long-term implications of selling your soul, I would have thought by now, in evidence is a bad idea, not a good one. The Conservatives have in the past have given fair old chunks of the economy to large multi-nationals and everything turned out alright didn't it? And look who got screwed over in the long term, was it the Tories? No it was the people. And it's them that matter, isn't it?

Where is this evidence that "selling your soul" is a bad idea. What does that even mean? If you're just going to invent negatives then there's not really any point in this conversation. Again it's vague and undefined. I think more or less every left wing point of view I've read on this forum has been vague and undefined. Don't you see that you can't just pick and choose fanciful 'concepts' that don't exist and shape them into workable policy? We need ideas that actually work in the real world, and attracting innovative and prosperous business' into the country is a solid, workable idea. It's not perfect and some people will surely take advantage, but it's a lot better than just jumping on every bandwagon we can see and then jumping around, trying to catch fistfuls of golden mist.

[Zingari]

Yes but bellend fluff is always grey, what does that mean?

dunno!

have you been shaggin' teddy bears ?

[sphericalfox]

dunno!

have you been shaggin' teddy bears ?

My wife won't like me calling her my 'bit o'fluff'

[sphericalfox]

Where is this evidence that "selling your soul" is a bad idea. What does that even mean? If you're just going to invent negatives then there's not really any point in this conversation. Again it's vague and undefined. I think more or less every left wing point of view I've read on this forum has been vague and undefined. Don't you see that you can't just pick and choose fanciful 'concepts' that don't exist and shape them into workable policy? We need ideas that actually work in the real world, and attracting innovative and prosperous business' into the country is a solid, workable idea. It's not perfect and some people will surely take advantage, but it's a lot better than just jumping on every bandwagon we can see and then jumping around, trying to catch fistfuls of golden mist.

Are you ****ing serious. Glaxo and the other multi-nationals the government are courting are innovative and bringing prosperity to the UK? If the government spent more of it's time supporting the medium sized businesses in this country by forcing the government owned bank to lend them money to invest in innovation and expansion, and jobs, do you think that would be a better concept? No the look after themselves and cronies first and foremost, as they have done in the past.

What you are failing to understand is that every government does the same thing. Accusing me of being a leftie and knowing about fook all about my stance politically I find amusing. What I am stating is that the Tories won't be changing the tune any time soon, and sure enough where one corporate gets their way predictably the day of the budget is revealed, we shall see a glut of the same deals done. I wonder how many more will be NHS related.

I wait with baited breath.

[Ozwin]

They need to make this shit more interesting, get some cheerleaders in and a few fireworks going or something.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Susaanah Reid as Chancellor should do it

[Daggers]

How many chancellors have had fiscal responsibility for anything outside politics?

The truth is it doesn't matter as all departments are basically run by civil servants and ministers don't usually seem to know what they are talking about most of the time.

There's not a word you've posted I can fault apart from the conclusion...which hints at what I believe ought to be the way forward, and that is to only have qualified candidates in the post making the decisions based on fiscal prudence rather than party political dogma & appeasement...but that's another thread entirely.

I wonder how many Conservatives will benefit from that deal and what other shady caveats for their investments bar the patent box they've managed to wrangle from the government. Yes there's a few hundred jobs in a local area to beenfit in about 6/7 years time, but the 3rd largest pharmo company in the world most likely scored a hat trick through an open goal on this one.

Oh thank you so much for quoting that imbecile's post - how naive a cvnt do you have to be to believe that an international corporation will make a major investment decision within a couple of hours of a budget?

"We now believe that Great Britain blah blah blah"

Yep, no meetings, no weighing up option - just BANG! right in there with the commitment. They'd not spent months planning this or anything, they don't need to, that's not how you run a successful business.

Incredible how some people like Chandler set themselves up for ridicule over and over again.

[Daggers]

I can only assume you either don't understand my point (unlikely) or you're trying to be comically flippant in order to deflect away from it (very likely).

You said

Too many arrogant left-wingers seem think that having the gift of the silver spoon is a prerequisite for holding conservative values.

To which I pointed out that this is an absurd generalisation that bears no reflection on what any sentient person believes about the core Tory support.

You went on to say:

As a stereotype it is no more or less offensive or incorrect than the stereotype that black people throw spears around.

Which, I hope I clearly pointed out is a steaming pile of shit which you still haven't clarified if you meant this or just typed it without any prior thought.

So far we haven't covered any point of substance from you whatsoever.

Finally you added:

I, too, am from a piss-poor background but I happen to think you should be rewarded for working hard and not be taxed to buggery for doing so.

This struck me as being an opinion you hold based on a feeling of what is right. As such, fact or otherwise doesn't come into it because it is what you feel and therefore I have no taken issue with it. I wasn't deflecting away from it - if this is indeed the point you are referring to, I'm simply not interested in it.

So, do you still feel as affronted as a black woman after she's been called a nigger by a man in a white pointy hat or are you prepared to admit that the comparison was retarded?

[FoxyPV]

The 50p tax rate drop is a massive gamble as those who are avoiding tax at the moment aren't going to just hand over their extra 5% savings to the govt as a thank you.

[Saxondale]

So, do you still feel as affronted as a black woman after she's been called a nigger by a man in a white pointy hat or are you prepared to admit that the comparison was retarded?

No, why would I do that? Because you disagree with me?

[davieG]

I don't get this getting paid more for working harder, people don't get paid for working hard they generally get paid more because there job requires greater intelligence, knowledge or responsibility or it has a degree of uniqueness.

I've been a Senior Manager and I earn't more than the people I was responsible for but I wouldn't say I worked harder than them.

The refuse collectors that come around my streets work bloody hard running up and down the street with heavy bins, care workers constantly on the go there are many examples of low paid people working extremely hard and long hours, are they working any less hard than some software engineer or some money speculator, I don't believe that to be the norm, in fact I know it's not having seen lazy, skiving senior highly paid people in places I've worked at.

There's hard working and lazy ****ers in every trade and business.

[NeilyBoy]

No, why would I do that? Because you disagree with me?

You'd do that because you claimed to be subject to the same level of abuse as a black person in the old south, and despite having made that comparison you're still a decent person.

[21st Century Fox]

There's also only so many highly paid jobs available, if everyone where to use this mantra and work hard then everyone would deserve these jobs and it's reward, so what happens to the excess. How many people are in highly paid jobs because they deserve to be and how many walk into them through nepotism.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

Budget: some win a bit, some lose a bit. Same as every budget.

Everybody has to pay in some way to help claw back the deficit.

Those who lose a bit make a lot more noise than those who win a bit. It has ever been thus.

[Daggers]

You'd do that because you claimed to be subject to the same level of abuse as a black person in the old south, and despite having made that comparison you're still a decent person.

I'll take your word for that because from where I sit anybody who makes an imbecilic claim like that in all seriousness is a first class ignorant cvnt.

[Daggers]

He's been chancellor for 2 years, does that count?

Let's see...umm, well, it appears we are discussing a person who a) doesn't seem to have any idea how much he earns and b) has no idea whether or not he should be on the top tax rate and thereby benefiting from the changes in legislation.

I'll just leave that hanging there now and see if you believe he has the first clue about finance - because if the answer is 'yes he does' then the only other conclusion to draw is that he is a bent twat unfit to hold office. And if the answer was 'no' then he is an incompetant twat unfit to hold office.

Source: The Torygraph

(We'll leave discussing all the other bent cabinet members who refused to reply to the survey for another thread).

[Saxondale]

I'll take your word for that because from where I sit anybody who makes an imbecilic claim like that in all seriousness is a first class ignorant cvnt.

A lot of the younger posters on here get abuse for making slightly misguided remarks about how 'Paul Gallagher is shit' or for spelling things wrong.

But nobody on here acts as juvenile as you, resorting to abuse every time you disagree with anybody. Seriously, grow up.

[Daggers]

A lot of the younger posters on here get abuse for making slightly misguided remarks about how 'Paul Gallagher is shit' or for spelling things wrong.

But nobody on here acts as juvenile as you, resorting to abuse every time you disagree with anybody. Seriously, grow up.

Sweetcheeks - the only person acting like a total cvnt is you. You believe that you are abused to the same level as a black person being subjected to racial taunts because people think you have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

Honeybun, you don't need to grow up, you need to shut the fvck up, grow some balls, stop acting like an utter dickwad and admit you made a twat of yourself.

[Zingari]

What is the point of announcing a budget that states no change in alcohol duty and then say they are introducing a minimum 40p per unit on it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17482035

OK, the retailers may have higher profit margins , but that will still be taxed .

[Jon the Hat]

There's not a word you've posted I can fault apart from the conclusion...which hints at what I believe ought to be the way forward, and that is to only have qualified candidates in the post making the decisions based on fiscal prudence rather than party political dogma & appeasement...but that's another thread entirely.

Oh thank you so much for quoting that imbecile's post - how naive a cvnt do you have to be to believe that an international corporation will make a major investment decision within a couple of hours of a budget?

"We now believe that Great Britain blah blah blah"

Yep, no meetings, no weighing up option - just BANG! right in there with the commitment. They'd not spent months planning this or anything, they don't need to, that's not how you run a successful business.

Incredible how some people like Chandler set themselves up for ridicule over and over again.

There is always pre breifing etc on such announcements, doesn't necessarily mean anything shady has gone on behind it. As an example, my company decided to move it's US head office, and announced on the day the US government revealed a policy to underwrite the mortgages of those in negative equity so they can move house taking their mortgage and negative equity with them. So, works for everyone, but not necessarily anything dodgy.

On the other hand, investment decision like the GSK one are and always have been heavily influenced by subsidies. I was involved in negotiating a factory investment in South Wales when I worked for Sony about a decade ago, and the grants etc where substantial.

[Jon the Hat]

What is the point of announcing a budget that states no change in alcohol duty and then say they are introducing a minimum 40p per unit on it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17482035

OK, the retailers may have higher profit margins , but that will still be taxed .

the thing that always annoys me about budgets, is that they never acknowledge that highger petrol prices at the pump = higher tax, and still load on top more tax. then again as I said they are really trying to force us into more efficient cars to 1) boost car buying and 2) drive the Green agenda out of our pockets.

[sphericalfox]

There's not a word you've posted I can fault apart from the conclusion...which hints at what I believe ought to be the way forward, and that is to only have qualified candidates in the post making the decisions based on fiscal prudence rather than party political dogma & appeasement...but that's another thread entirely.

Oh thank you so much for quoting that imbecile's post - how naive a cvnt do you have to be to believe that an international corporation will make a major investment decision within a couple of hours of a budget?

"We now believe that Great Britain blah blah blah"

Yep, no meetings, no weighing up option - just BANG! right in there with the commitment. They'd not spent months planning this or anything, they don't need to, that's not how you run a successful business.

Incredible how some people like Chandler set themselves up for ridicule over and over again.

I'm confused, are you having a go at caveman or myself?

[Reynard Bleu]

What I don't get is George Osborn's claim that the 50p tax rate is bringing in piddling amounts in one breath then he goes on to say that its damagimg the economy? If its such a small amount how much damage does it do?

[Jon the Hat]

What I don't get is George Osborn's claim that the 50p tax rate is bringing in piddling amounts in one breath then he goes on to say that its damagimg the economy? If its such a small amount how much damage does it do?

The argument is that is discourages people for working here, running businesses here and indeed those that do from taking dividends out of their companies. In my experience this is a genuine issue when multinational companies decide where people can and do work. I work with a number of people who base themselves elsewhere in Europe because their roles involve a lot of travel and they can make that choice. As more and more jobs become mobile through technology this will likely increase in my view.