Guest Bilo Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 They seek him here They seek him there But he's not there He's blowing up your slag sister Aaah. 'Tis like a beardy Wordsworth.
FoxyPV Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 Assassinate the president. Kill the prime minister. Bomb the white house. I'm part of Al Qaeda. Training camp in Pakistan. <insert other key words>
Captain... Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 This isn't about now, this is about the future and governments centralising control to information for their own vested interests and that of their rich friends. The 'if you've done nothing wrong' lobby will already be at their typewriters - but what happens when you treat an entire society like criminals? When every fan is a hooligan and every protestor is a terrorist? As a blue-faced man said "They can take our freedom but they'll never take our cheesecaaaaaaaaake!" Encrypted Tor networks and anonymous email boxes FTW. I fell out with the "if you have done nothing wrong lobby" a few years ago after visiting East Germany, the problem with that thinking is that someone can come along and change the definition of right and wrong, but by that time it is too late you have already handed over your personal details and files and finger prints, been electronically tagged and have a barcode tattooed on the back of your neck, because you are a model citizen, you never do anything wrong you never break the law. Then there is a new law, one you disagree with but civil disobedience has been made illegal and you agreed to it because you had nothing to protest about, so you have to comply, you have to obey and you have sold yourself down the river.
Daggers Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 I fell out with the "if you have done nothing wrong lobby" a few years ago after visiting East Germany, the problem with that thinking is that someone can come along and change the definition of right and wrong, but by that time it is too late you have already handed over your personal details and files and finger prints, been electronically tagged and have a barcode tattooed on the back of your neck, because you are a model citizen, you never do anything wrong you never break the law. Then there is a new law, one you disagree with but civil disobedience has been made illegal and you agreed to it because you had nothing to protest about, so you have to comply, you have to obey and you have sold yourself down the river. Lisa's recent blog post regarding her recent problems with the police at Peterborough game will strike a chord with many on here: http://leesoh.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/unwelcome-visitors-part-three.html The criminalisation of being a fan or protesting about something is happening, or has happened depending upon your view, and indicates how what you may consider to be reasonable behaviour could become illegal in the future. The reasons behind this new government move is all about control and power - keeping it with them and locking you out. My personal belief is that everyone with an interest in keeping this country "free" should be against these proposals. My Grandad didn't fight the Germans for an Orwellian country.
Saxondale Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 My personal belief is that everyone with an interest in keeping this country "free" should be against these proposals. My Grandad didn't fight the Germans for an Orwellian country. This. What next? The right to search your house without first obtaining a warrant? I'm amazed that the party that opposed ID cards doesn't consider this an unbelievably flagrant infringement of liberties.
davieG Posted 2 April 2012 Author Posted 2 April 2012 Perhaps we should scan all our letters, greetings cards etc onto a designated web site so they can hoard them as well why just emails?
Daggers Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 What next? The right to search your house without first obtaining a warrant? The proposals amount to everyone's homes being searched every time they are out and the details of the searches being released to the government when they ask for it; to have someone standing outside you home filming you all day, everyday just to make sure you don't get up to nonsense. It's ridiculous. Where is our freedom when we'd be under more scrutiny than China or Iran?
Saxondale Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 The proposals amount to everyone's homes being searched every time they are out and the details of the searches being released to the government when they ask for it; to have someone standing outside you home filming you all day, everyday just to make sure you don't get up to nonsense. It's ridiculous. Where is our freedom when we'd be under more scrutiny than China or Iran? Correct. We cannot underestimate the implications of this being passed into law. Once these sort of laws come in, we'll never move 'backwards' - and another part of our freedom will be gone forever. This really shouldn't be allowed to happen!
Rincewind Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 This. What next? The right to search your house without first obtaining a warrant? I'm amazed that the party that opposed ID cards doesn't consider this an unbelievably flagrant infringement of liberties. They opposed it because they wasn't in power at the time. ID cards are almost here already. A lot of workplaces use them and driving licenses have your photo on. My main opposition is having to show an ID if you nip to a local shop. Checking your internet and phone use is going too far though. Not sure if the authorities have the capabilities to monitor everyone though. It would take a lot of setting up and cost millions. This means they would have to concentrate on certain groups which is stereotyping and discriminative That leaves known criminals and people they suspect and already have under surveillance. Pity the NOTW closed down they were doing a good job in this line of work....
Captain... Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 I can't find it online, but there was a planned protest to copy the politician backing this into every single e-mail sent, just to completely spam up there inbox and make a mockery of the whole affair, I don't know if this ever happened and I can't find remember any details, such as the politician's name, I think it was a female politician, does that make her a politicienne? but other than that I can't remember. Anyone know?
Rincewind Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 It is genuine isn't it? When did the news first break?
Daggers Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 I can't find it online, but there was a planned protest to copy the politician backing this into every single e-mail sent, just to completely spam up there inbox and make a mockery of the whole affair, I don't know if this ever happened and I can't find remember any details, such as the politician's name, I think it was a female politician, does that make her a politicienne? but other than that I can't remember. Anyone know? I'm not going to post links here but using Tor and a Twitter search for some popular terms for people you would link to internet-based protest will take you to pages taking you step by step through simple things you can do in secrecy in order to fvck things up a bit.
dave the caveman Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 Didn't think it was too bad when I read that they won't be able to read emails etc. without a warrant. Afterall if they have a warrant they can come into your house and look through your shit, how often does it happen to you? But then the next line about being able to see what websites people have visited and who they have been talking to without a warrant ruined the whole thing and for once, I am in agreement with the lefties. This is too much. Another massive blow to the already ruthlessly destroyed credibility of the lib dems, and yet more reason for the public to view politicians in general with unease and suspicion. Total crap.
Houdini Logic Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 Suppose I better get this cleared up then - does anyone know if bestiality is actually illegal?
Houdini Logic Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 I fvcking hope so Houdini. Yeah good, good... *cough*
Captain... Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 I'm not going to post links here but using Tor and a Twitter search for some popular terms for people you would link to internet-based protest will take you to pages taking you step by step through simple things you can do in secrecy in order to fvck things up a bit. Hmm, work laptop, 2 weeks left of work before I change jobs and move house and never have to touch this laptop again, I wonder what I could search to get the next person who uses this laptop arrested... Serious question though, is this action retroactive? Can they only monitor things after this comes into place, or will they be able to see what you have been looking at for the last few years, safe in the knowledge that it wasn't being monitored? How are thay going to police who looks at what website, if you use a internet cafe, or even a shared computer in a house, e-mail I can understand, but even then my parents, for example, share an e-mail address.
FoxyPV Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 Why does anyone think that this isn't already happening?
Webbo Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 Why does anyone think that this isn't already happening? It might be but now they're making it legal. Not happy about this at all.
The Doctor Posted 2 April 2012 Posted 2 April 2012 Well, at least someone is going to get themselves a nice new job:
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