lavrentis Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 Just had a call off Don the seller. Shorter conversation. Do Have you had a chance to look at the email? Me A quick look Don A quick look? Me yes still thinking about it. It may not be for me Don well you can work for £6 ph 20ph Me yes But I'm not a salesman Don You dont have to be its up to the custmer people like buying from a catalogue Me I dont if I can get the same stuff local Don well you can carry on drawing dole with no hope of a job or have ambition I want ones with ambition and if you dont have it I dont want you Phone dead. Sort of edited He did say something about not being a teacher until he had learned and he earned lots by having people under him and there was a waiting list beside me. And something about taking more notice of what others have to say being content with my no hope of a life. I know a Don who is a teacher in the Leicester area :: Where abouts in Leicester was this guy located ?
ozleicester Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 Just had a call off Don the seller. Shorter conversation. Do Have you had a chance to look at the email? Me A quick look Don A quick look? Me yes still thinking about it. It may not be for me Don well you can work for £6 ph 20ph Me yes But I'm not a salesman Don You dont have to be its up to the custmer people like buying from a catalogue Me I dont if I can get the same stuff local Don well you can carry on drawing dole with no hope of a job or have ambition I want ones with ambition and if you dont have it I dont want you Phone dead. Sort of edited He did say something about not being a teacher until he had learned and he earned lots by having people under him and there was a waiting list beside me. And something about taking more notice of what others have to say being content with my no hope of a life. Clearly a cvnt, Its people like him who fvck people over without giving a sh1t, that really pi$$ me off. The whole seems a simple Pyramid scheme and the fact that he would speak to you that way says a hell of a lot about his business ethics. Glad you avoided !
stripeyfox Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 I could give you his number. He phoned my mobile and I have his landline on an email. I would like someone with business and financial sense to give him a call as well and ask him a few questions I would not think of. My brother is always saying to me one of my major faults is not admitting I do not know about a subject so ask questions to learn about it no matter how many times it has to be repeated. He says being an ex-teacher he knows the body languge. Don't be too hard on yourself. He is the tool, not you.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 He is an ex-teacher. Replied to his email just saying it was the lack of information and research I had due to his reluctance to give out the company name and late arrival of the email that made me reluctant to carry on. The last link is his website. Couldn't find the catalogue before. A lot of the items are cheapish meaning you would have to have big orders all the time. Doing it online would be OK part time if you have the hits on the site. Start today Ken Do you want to discover a way to earn £500 to £2000 guaranteed income? Break the cycle of unemployment, change your career. Work from home so you can have time for your children. Work the hours you want. Earn as much as you like. Watch the video http://bit.ly/Hh5dZ2 Mum earns £300 extra http://tinyurl.com/7juv96s Single mum earns £2500 http://tinyurl.com/6qkbc8f Paul moves 400 miles & £2.500 first month http://tinyurl.com/7w6y3bm To join or for more info email me back with area you live, your phone number and the best time to call. Best wishes Don Cameron 5 key people sought in UK Ireland Germany Netherlands http://tinyurl.com/6cxknq4 07817978753 01162290297 Sent from my iPhone
dave the caveman Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 You would have given him the money and then been left to your own devices. A sales genius might have been able to make his money back. Most of us would have been left out of pocket. It's not much more than a blatant scam. That guy is trying to prey on people who are vulnerable due to their need to find work. If anything he should be reported somehow.
stripeyfox Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 Some more stuff here http://www.ciao.co.u..._Review_5613472 Still reading through it myself Quite a balanced review here: (although I think the catalogues are £1 each now, not 50p) I was a disbeliever, sure, but anything for an extra quid and I signed up. Now here's the thing - I would never buy from a tacky catalogue shoved through my letter box because I prefer to either buy a known commodity (i.e. CD, software, airplane ticket) from the Internet or alternatively check it out in a shop (or offline retail outlet, as it is probably called now...). I'm not bothered about the social stigma of buying from a catalogue, it just isn't exactly efficient/convenient for me at this point in my life. But as I say, I signed up. My first 'drop' - the technical term for posting gaudy catalogues through strangers' doors - was in February and I did about 100. This resulted in 40 no returns (keeping in mind that these catalogues cost you 50p each) and two orders totallin a mighty £18. At 21% margin, and £10 minimum delivery charge from Kleeneze, was actually going to lose money delivering the goods! Now then, I could have packed it in there and then but I could not get around the fact that two complete strangers had received a catalogue that I would not have wiped my butt on and placed an order - carefully leaving the details on the two part order from, with the original catalogue, on their doorstep at the appointed time. Some people actually liked ordering stuff this way - I was amazed. Not wanting to be beaten, I ordered a couple of hundred more catalogues and took to the streets again. This time, I dropped 260 catalogues and when I went to collect them I obtained £250 of orders. It takes quite a bit of time out of your week, because in addition to putting the catalogue packets together in their waterproof bags and delivering them, when you get orders (after you have revisited all the houses again) you have to order them online and wait around for the courier to deliver them, and then try and deliver them (not everyone is in when you come calling, that's for sure, and in around 1% of cases I have found that the people who order it deny that they did and refuse to take delivery or pay for it!). All in all, you can make money (once you have paid for your outlay on catalogues, petrol, labels, starter packs and monthly internet membership subscription) but it is never going to be much if you do not obtain a downline... The downline is where you recruit others into the program and they start doing what you are doing - the benefit to you is that you get paid bonuses depending on how they do, and here is the rub. According to the way that the commission structure works (or bonus, if you prefer) if you have a couple of people in your downline (sort of working for you) who don't ever earn enough to make the second level bonus (so less than £600 in sales per month, for example) of 10% on top of the basic 21% margin, then you as their sponsor actually make more off them! What does this tell you? Long term, of course, a sponsor should try and get his downline to succeed and get them to sponsor a downline of their own! But short term, a sponsor would do a lot better having 5 or 6 people in their downline who did nearly, but not quite, enough to get anywhere
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 It says this on their site. Wealth Warning: “It is illegal for a promoter or participant in a trading scheme to persuade anyone to make a payment by promising benefits from getting others to join a scheme. Do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved” He never said this exactly but talked about those in his team that did nothing and those that worked. He added that yopu have to prepared to put the effort in which sort of let him off the hook but saying that it is better than working for a boss is promising it.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 Products. Some of the Kleeneze products (in my opinion) were not of high quality. Some were overpriced. Kleeneze used to sell an "All In One Body Stocking" for £9.99. The same product could be purchased in a Glasgow cash `n` carry for 39p Its an old review but still interesting enough to put people off. Not had any of their catalogues myself but not sure If I would buy from the door anyway. I read in a post that one distributer main custermers were disabled and housebound OAP's. Not sure if I would want to target them.
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 I've had a few jibes at the business model and at the claims that the company makes. Somewhat hypocritical. I'm doing a work from home part-time job as an internet assessor and that has been bringing in £700+ a month for 20 hours per week. Equivalent of nearly £9 an hour. I got into that job by following a 'get paid to google' ad on the internet! I did lots of research and there were a fair few thinking it was a bit of a scam, but genuinely it's easy to do and the pay is fantastic for what it is.
stripeyfox Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 I've had a few jibes at the business model and at the claims that the company makes. Somewhat hypocritical. I'm doing a work from home part-time job as an internet assessor and that has been bringing in £700+ a month for 20 hours per week. Equivalent of nearly £9 an hour. I got into that job by following a 'get paid to google' ad on the internet! I did lots of research and there were a fair few thinking it was a bit of a scam, but genuinely it's easy to do and the pay is fantastic for what it is. What is an internet assesor? Genuinely interested in hearing the "counter argument". People are entitled to smell a rat with these schemes, particularly the Kleeneze MLM model http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing
Captain... Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 He is an ex-teacher. Replied to his email just saying it was the lack of information and research I had due to his reluctance to give out the company name and late arrival of the email that made me reluctant to carry on. The last link is his website. Couldn't find the catalogue before. A lot of the items are cheapish meaning you would have to have big orders all the time. Doing it online would be OK part time if you have the hits on the site. Start today Ken Do you want to discover a way to earn £500 to £2000 guaranteed income? Break the cycle of unemployment, change your career. Work from home so you can have time for your children. Work the hours you want. Earn as much as you like. Watch the video http://bit.ly/Hh5dZ2 Mum earns £300 extra http://tinyurl.com/7juv96s Single mum earns £2500 http://tinyurl.com/6qkbc8f Paul moves 400 miles & £2.500 first month http://tinyurl.com/7w6y3bm To join or for more info email me back with area you live, your phone number and the best time to call. Best wishes Don Cameron 5 key people sought in UK Ireland Germany Netherlands http://tinyurl.com/6cxknq4 07817978753 01162290297 Sent from my iPhone How he can offer a guaranteed income of £500 - £2000. Just stay away from these things, you would be better off going to a wholesaler, buying a load of crap stuff you think you could sell and walk around door to door with it, apprentice style, smell what is selling,
stripeyfox Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 http://www.ciao.co.uk/Kleeneze__Review_5403337#top quite a length review here, but it does go on to explain why this guy is so keen to "recruit" you into the scheme. I reckon anyone could have made a decent amount doing this 15-20 years ago, not so much now.
Captain... Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 I've had a few jibes at the business model and at the claims that the company makes. Somewhat hypocritical. I'm doing a work from home part-time job as an internet assessor and that has been bringing in £700+ a month for 20 hours per week. Equivalent of nearly £9 an hour. I got into that job by following a 'get paid to google' ad on the internet! I did lots of research and there were a fair few thinking it was a bit of a scam, but genuinely it's easy to do and the pay is fantastic for what it is. I would also like to know more about this, the thing is, did you have to pay anything to start-up? If not then there is no risk, by the sounds of it you are not dealing with stock, so you have no liability.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 The only internet work I have seen is filling out surveys and am put off them by completing the prelimary part then being told I do not fit the profile they want. Heres a few points towards a £1 gift voucher. I just thought working from home PC based would suit me more. Not getting any younger and I spend a lot of time on the PC anyway Just don't know what to look for. Data entry search comes up with surveys.
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 More info here: http://en-gb.lionbri...3&LangType=2057 I'm technically classed as self-employed. I simply log-on to their web portal and acquire tasks to complete whenever I want to. EDIT: You keep track of the time you spend working and fill in the time sheet at the end of the month. There are expectations to meet in terms of tasks/time, but these aren't difficult to meet. I've not had a single problem and had about £2000 transfered into my bank over the past 3 months.
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 I do not high enough qualifications. All you need is a grasp of English and to know your way round the internet.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 thought it said bachelors degree (preferred) and Time management
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 thought it said bachelors degree (preferred) and Time management Once you apply, you'll receive an application form and then an open-book test. Time management isn't a qualification! You'll be working off your own back and as you'll not be on a 9-5 routine, you'll need self-motivation.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 Could try the test might be fun. The 100 plus looks a bit daunting. May give it a go just to see if I can do it. What are the tasks like? I have office word but nothing fancy. Ok with English although grammar is notso hot sometimes and I can use a browser.
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 Could try the test might be fun. The 100 plus looks a bit daunting. May give it a go just to see if I can do it. What are the tasks like? I have office word but nothing fancy. Ok with English although grammar is notso hot sometimes and I can use a browser. You have plenty of time to do the test and with anything, you start off a bit slow and then speed up. An example task would be to evaluate whether google search results for 'leicester city' are better/worse/same as for the bing search results. No use of office products, just PDF's to read which have instructions.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 Applied filled out the application and the window closed. Is the test seperate?
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 You'll get emailed confirmation and details for the test in a few days I would have thought.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2012 Author Posted 11 May 2012 Got the confirmation. Not sure how well I filled the application in I thought it was just a profile thing. Only got ECDL outside school and never sent any attachments. Also guessed the dates of my jobs. Anyway its down as a job search. Wouldn't mind doing it but not sure what to do about other jobs. Supposedto have had an offer and still waiting on them. The amount you quoted you earnt how many hours PW would that be? If I stayed home I'd still need time to go shopping etc but evenings would be no problem Even working through the night as my previous jobs were nights. 10-20 hours PW I can do that and the return isn't bad for that. Even do it if I get a full time job. Even better if I can take my laptop.
Bluefoxtim Posted 11 May 2012 Posted 11 May 2012 Got the confirmation. Not sure how well I filled the application in I thought it was just a profile thing. Only got ECDL outside school and never sent any attachments. Also guessed the dates of my jobs. Anyway its down as a job search. Wouldn't mind doing it but not sure what to do about other jobs. Supposedto have had an offer and still waiting on them. The amount you quoted you earnt how many hours PW would that be? If I stayed home I'd still need time to go shopping etc but evenings would be no problem Even working through the night as my previous jobs were nights. 10-20 hours PW I can do that and the return isn't bad for that. Even do it if I get a full time job. Even better if I can take my laptop. I do 20 hours a week, so the £720 a month I get is based on that. The pay is really good and that's before you factor in travel expenses etc that would be incurred from a 'standard' job. Like you say, you can do it anytime. I've worked throughout the day before, but when I've had other things on, you can just pick it up during the evenings.
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