MC Prussian Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 Why shouldn't someone like Tarantino make a fortune when he produces something so fantastic it brings joy to millions upon millions watching it. It's ridiculous people think they should be able to just take other peoples hard work and download it for free rather than paying a price. Pure sponging. Just because they're getting stuff for free at a certain point doesn't mean they won't pay for it at all. Minor misconception. It also raises the question about the "fair price of goods". You could take the major Hollywood studios or the music industry as an example. They've been well off for years with revenue generated through the sale of overpriced CDs, DVDs, movie tickets... The internet has somewhat evened it all out.
Rincewind Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 What seems to be happening now is companies workforce being reduce then re-employing those unemployed who will work as part of a work scheme for what they are drawing in JSA. Schools are hiring part time helpers who are paid a pittance to assist in the class but they won't be employed full time I believe there are many in favour of this.
Smudge Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 Sitting on FT talking crap Well you'd be the expert on that
Captain... Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 Economically it doesn't really make any difference if a miniscule minority of people are well paid, unless they are burning all of the money they earn rather than spending, saving or investing it. I assume you know that it costs money to make a movie? How is anyone going to make a movie if they have no money? The logistics involved in feeding the homeless with supermarket waste are wide-ranging and require a lot of expertise. Should the people required be made to work for free? Would you work for free? Do you work for free? . Unbelievable paragraph. Who are you talking on behalf of here? Certainly not me. I have hobbies and interests which cost money, what gives you the right to assume that you can make lifestyle decisions for me? You cannot pretend to be acting in my interests when you are attempting to place massive restrictions on what I can and cannot enjoy. If I want to work long hours to be able to afford a pink audi you should never be able to stop me, and if you ever can then we've taken a massive step backwards in the style of the Great Leap Forwards. Yeah and then all those companies can stop working and we'll all sit back and enjoy... oh, wait, we don't have jobs anymore, so we can't afford anything. Guess what, lads, we brought the economy to a complete halt and now look, we've got no ****ing money! WOODA FUNK IT?? We've already got no fvcking money: UK public sector net debt in March 2012 was £1022.5 billion But don't worry, we don't need to change anything this system is working perfectly, it's all about growth, and at the moment the only thing that is growing in the uk is the debt. The point about being able to feed the homeless with supermarket waste, was not suggesting the supermarkets should start feeding the homeless, the point was supermarkets should stop wasting so much food, they should stop forcing food down our throats, they should stop trying to sell us more they we can eat. "26.2% of the male population in England to said to be clinically obese " I am not saying don't spend your money in fact I am begging that you do that, get your pink audi, (but don't buy it brand new because the second you take it off the forecourt it halves in value) because, that is one of the things causing the current economic problem, people accumulating wealth and not spending, and doing everything they can to accumulate more. My issue is not with consumers buying things it is the way in which it is sold to maximise profits, the technology for siri was around for years ago, but it wasn't included on earlier versions of the iphone because they wanted to release it on a separate release. Same with 3D tv, the technology has been around for ages, but they didn't want to release it until they had milked every last penny out of HD tv, (this is without getting me started on Blue Ray vs HD tv) then they released the next cash cow, to make sure we had to upgrade to the latest release. The ludicrousness of modern life is obviously lost on you, we are spending so much money, time and effort to use up as many of our natural resources as quick as possible and in our hurry to ruin this planet we are missing out on the important things in life.
Captain... Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 Why shouldn't someone like Tarantino make a fortune when he produces something so fantastic it brings joy to millions upon millions watching it. It's ridiculous people think they should be able to just take other peoples hard work and download it for free rather than paying a price. Pure sponging. I don't mind Tarantino making some money out of films, it is the obscene amount of money syphoned off from the artists to the record labels and distribution houses that pisses me off, the identikit manufactured bands that are artistically bereft, but promoted to the point where people believe they are good because they shoved down our throats.
MooseBreath Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 We've already got no fvcking money: UK public sector net debt in March 2012 was £1022.5 billion But don't worry, we don't need to change anything this system is working perfectly, it's all about growth, and at the moment the only thing that is growing in the uk is the debt. The point about being able to feed the homeless with supermarket waste, was not suggesting the supermarkets should start feeding the homeless, the point was supermarkets should stop wasting so much food, they should stop forcing food down our throats, they should stop trying to sell us more they we can eat. "26.2% of the male population in England to said to be clinically obese " I am not saying don't spend your money in fact I am begging that you do that, get your pink audi, (but don't buy it brand new because the second you take it off the forecourt it halves in value) because, that is one of the things causing the current economic problem, people accumulating wealth and not spending, and doing everything they can to accumulate more. My issue is not with consumers buying things it is the way in which it is sold to maximise profits, the technology for siri was around for years ago, but it wasn't included on earlier versions of the iphone because they wanted to release it on a separate release. Same with 3D tv, the technology has been around for ages, but they didn't want to release it until they had milked every last penny out of HD tv, (this is without getting me started on Blue Ray vs HD tv) then they released the next cash cow, to make sure we had to upgrade to the latest release. The ludicrousness of modern life is obviously lost on you, we are spending so much money, time and effort to use up as many of our natural resources as quick as possible and in our hurry to ruin this planet we are missing out on the important things in life. So do you want people to spend money or not? You seem to have argued for and against it in this post. For my part, none of it is lost on me. That's why I don't have an iPhone or a 3D tv. Nobody is forced to buy these products if they don't want to. I don't know why you think advertising is so powerful, it has very little effect on my choices. I can only assume you speak from experience and perhaps you were once duped by a smiley face on the telly telling you to buy something pointless. The rest of us probably aren't so gullible.
Captain... Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 So do you want people to spend money or not? You seem to have argued for and against it in this post. For my part, none of it is lost on me. That's why I don't have an iPhone or a 3D tv. Nobody is forced to buy these products if they don't want to. I don't know why you think advertising is so powerful, it has very little effect on my choices. I can only assume you speak from experience and perhaps you were once duped by a smiley face on the telly telling you to buy something pointless. The rest of us probably aren't so gullible. When I go to a supermarket to buy a few beers, and I only want 4, but they are on offer, they are always on offer, so I buy more, then I drink more than I wanted, of course you are immune to all forms of marketing. It is not just me, the only reason why Coke (massively over priced and tastes like shit) and McDonalds (just shite) are 2 of the most successful companies in the world is because they have the biggest marketing budgets. Right now we need to spend and keep on consuming or capitalism will fall on its arse, as it currently is doing, but we have got to a point where most of us don't need much more (hobbies and pink audis excluded), but still we are churning out product after product, and then forcing it down our throats trying to sell us stuff we don't want.
ADK Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 I don't see the problem in that. There are always beers sold seperately at supermarkets, if you choose to buy a mutipack becasue they are cheaper per unit then that is a choice you make. If you then cannot avoid drinking more than you intended then that is your problem. Either next time you buy only what you need - knowing that by buying more you will end up drinking more, or you resolve to not drink more than you intended the next time.
Rincewind Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 I say no to things I do notwant. To be more precise my wallet does. If a pack of four lasts you one night two packs of four should last you two nights and you only need to leave the house once.
Captain... Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 I don't see the problem in that. There are always beers sold seperately at supermarkets, if you choose to buy a mutipack becasue they are cheaper per unit then that is a choice you make. If you then cannot avoid drinking more than you intended then that is your problem. Either next time you buy only what you need - knowing that by buying more you will end up drinking more, or you resolve to not drink more than you intended the next time. Oh yeah, I should have made it clear I have a drinking problem, but it is the same with food, if it is buy one get one free, do you not pick up the free one? Of course you do even if you don't think you will eat it, and then maybe end up eating when you didn't want to so as not to waste it, or throw it away.
Rincewind Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 If its two for the price of one yes I do take them. If its buy three for the price of two it will depend on what it is and whether it will keep otherwise I will just buy one. The price difference will not be a great deal if it is something you do not use a lot.
Guest Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Well you'd be the expert on that True. You're better at reading it.
Guest Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Not quite sure how we've gotten to Tarantino and movies being donwloaded, but it a truly Capitalist society why should anyone have to pay more than they need to for a good. But more to the point why should people have to pay the same amount for one movie as another?
ozleicester Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 It's 2006, the consumer's still pissed Won't take it anymore so I'm writing a list Don't try to resist this paradigm shift The music revolution cannot be dismissed $18.98 Iggy Pop CD? What if I can get it from my sister for free? It's all about marketing Clive Davis, see? If fans buy the shirt then they get the mp3 Music was a product now it is a service Major record labels why are you trying to hurt us? Epic's up in my face like, "Don't steal our songs Lars," While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R's So Warner, EMI, hear me clearly Universal Music, update your circuitry They sue little kids downloading hit songs They think that makes sense When they know that it's wrong Hey Mr. Record Man The joke's on you Running your label Like it was 1992 Hey Mr. Record Man, Your system can't compete It's the New Artist Model File transfer complete Download this song! Download this song! Download this song! I know I'm rhyming fast, but the message is clear You don't need a million dollars to launch a career If your style is unique and you practice what you preach Minor Threat and Jello both have things to teach! I've got G5 production, concept videos Touring with a laptop, rocking packed shows The old-school major deal? It makes no sense Indentured servitude, the costs are too immense! Their finger's in the dam but the crack keeps on growing Can't sell bottled water when it's freely flowing Record sales slipping, down 8 percent Increased download sales, you can't prevent Satellite radio and video games Changed the terrain, it will never be same Did you know in ten years labels won't exist? Goodbye DVD's, and compact disks! Hey Mr. Record Man, What's wrong with you Still living off your catalogue From 1982 Hey Mr. Record Man, Your system can't compete It's the new artist model File transfer complete Download this song! Download this song! Download this song! You know, we just wanted a level playing field. You've overcharged us for music for years, and now we're Just trying to find a fair balance. I hate to say it, but: Welcome to the future. Download this song! Download this song! Download this song! Hey Mr. Record Man The joke's on you Running your label Like it was 1992 Hey Mr. Record Man, Your system can't compete It's the New Artist Model File transfer complete
MooseBreath Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Oh yeah, I should have made it clear I have a drinking problem, but it is the same with food, if it is buy one get one free, do you not pick up the free one? Of course you do even if you don't think you will eat it, and then maybe end up eating when you didn't want to so as not to waste it, or throw it away. That's just economies of scale in action. Even looking at things from your point of view, I can only see good in utilising economies of scale. And again, I don't just walk around buying everything with a BOGOF sticker on it. If you do and then you end up wasting whatever you've bought then that's your problem. The rest of us probably aren't so gullible.
Captain... Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Not quite sure how we've gotten to Tarantino and movies being donwloaded, but it a truly Capitalist society why should anyone have to pay more than they need to for a good. But more to the point why should people have to pay the same amount for one movie as another? Because economics of supply and demand don't work when supply is pretty much unlimited, because a song is not tangible it can be sold again and again and again without diminishing supply, so the only thing to calculate is how much will people pay for a song, and ramp up demand by saturation marketing fix prices and bleed the consumers dry. Now supply of songs, films etc have been ripped out of the hands of the labels it is finding its natural equilibrium between supply and demand, which as supply increases price tends to 0, infinite supply should lead to a very low price.
Captain... Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 That's just economies of scale in action. Even looking at things from your point of view, I can only see good in utilising economies of scale. And again, I don't just walk around buying everything with a BOGOF sticker on it. If you do and then you end up wasting whatever you've bought then that's your problem. The rest of us probably aren't so gullible. I didn't say I did, I don't buy tampons because they are buy one get one free, but if it is something I am going to buy anyway and it is on offer I will generally buy more if it is on offer. Like I said you must be a superior human being not to let marketing have any effect on you, us mere mortals will see something advertised on TV or in a newspaper and go ooh, that looks good, and buy it.
MooseBreath Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 I didn't say I did, I don't buy tampons because they are buy one get one free, but if it is something I am going to buy anyway and it is on offer I will generally buy more if it is on offer. Like I said you must be a superior human being not to let marketing have any effect on you, us mere mortals will see something advertised on TV or in a newspaper and go ooh, that looks good, and buy it. Even if you don't need it and/or can't afford it? I doubt too many people are so foolish tbh.
Daggers Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Should the people required be made to work for free? Would you work for free? Do you work for free? I've volunteered for most of my adult life - I think it is important for a community to have members who do things for the benefit of the community without expecting a reward. The question is "why don't you do some work for free?" It's rhetorical, I know the answer.
Rincewind Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 I have in the last year started voluntary work. I don't mind doing it, but I would be pretty miffed if I was laid off from a paid job then asked to go back as a volunteer. This has happened in jobs such as carers. The authoritiesclose things down and volunteers reopen with other volunteers in place. Also being a volunteer you could be working alongside a paid worker.
Smudge Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 I think we should merge this with the "I just bought thread"
Rincewind Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Not seen buy one get one free often. Its normally buy two getone half price or three for price of two. The things I buy last a while anyway or do not last beyond much the time I boughtthem. If I want milk it is cheaper to buy two pints yet sometimes it starts to go off before I have finished meaning around a third pint wsted. A pint works out dearer but does not go off. The difference in price probably works out 10p for two seperate pints but none is wasted sofor me there is no great difference.
MooseBreath Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 I've volunteered for most of my adult life - I think it is important for a community to have members who do things for the benefit of the community without expecting a reward. The question is "why don't you do some work for free?" It's rhetorical, I know the answer. Why haven't you joined a hippy commune yet?
ADK Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 Why should people work for free? If you are providing a service to people then you deserve to be paid.
Daggers Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 I think we should merge this with the "I just bought thread" I'm not buying that idea. Why haven't you joined a hippy commune yet? Because I get more than enough free drugs and sex without having to. You, on the other hand, always strike me as someone who is a bit over-wound - you always seem as though you could do with some relief.
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