The Class System

[Captain...]

I still don't think class exists in modern Britain.

Well it does, not in the same way as Downton Abbey, but if you can stomach it watch The Only Way is Essex then watch Made in Chelsea, I know they are shite and they are fake reality, and no I don't watch them, but I have seen the odd bits of episodes and it is a clear indicator in the difference there is between the "Working class" and the "Upper Middle class".

The reason why you may not think it exists is that there is still very much a divide that people don't often cross, so if you stick to the local pubs, or the student bars, or the wine bars, or the exclusive socialite clubs then you will not see it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there, if anything it proves it is.

[Babylon]

I'm 7th in line for the throne....... and I really wish they would hurry up because I need a shit.

[Captain...]

I'm 7th in line for the throne....... and I really wish they would hurry up because I need a shit.

Ooooh, get you, Posh lad, If you were working class you would go in the garden.

[Babylon]

Ooooh, get you, Posh lad, If you were working class you would go in the garden.

I don't have a garden, just some pebbles on the front of my house.

It's where the term pebble dash comes from.

[I am Rod Hull]

Ooooh, get you, Posh lad, If you were working class you would go in the garden.

He`s not Welsh.

I don't have a garden, just some pebbles on the front of my house.

It's where the term pebble dash comes from.

Maybe he is...

[21st Century Fox]

Do Birth Certificates still list the father's occupation?

[ADK]

Well it does, not in the same way as Downton Abbey, but if you can stomach it watch The Only Way is Essex then watch Made in Chelsea, I know they are shite and they are fake reality, and no I don't watch them, but I have seen the odd bits of episodes and it is a clear indicator in the difference there is between the "Working class" and the "Upper Middle class".

The reason why you may not think it exists is that there is still very much a divide that people don't often cross, so if you stick to the local pubs, or the student bars, or the wine bars, or the exclusive socialite clubs then you will not see it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there, if anything it proves it is.

When i think of "class system" i think of a society in which there is no social mobility. 60 years ago or more and if you were born into a poor family you would not have the option of going to higher education and were destined to do a "working class" job your whole life.

Nowadays any notion of "class" is entirely self appointed.

[Captain...]

When i think of "class system" i think of a society in which there is no social mobility. 60 years ago or more and if you were born into a poor family you would not have the option of going to higher education and were destined to do a "working class" job your whole life.

Nowadays any notion of "class" is entirely self appointed.

If you are looking at Social mobility the stats show we are not very socially mobile:

Here's what the figures show:

• Britain has some of the lowest social mobility in the developed world - the OECD figures show our earnings in the UK are more likely to reflect our fathers' than any other country

• Social mobility hasn't changed since the 1970s - and in some ways has got worse. For every one person born in the 1970s in the poorest fifth of society and going to university, there would be four undergrads from the top fifth of society. But if you were born in the 1980s, there would be five

• 24% of vice-chancellors, 32% of MPs, 51% of top Medics, 54% of FTSE-100 chief execs, 54% of top journalists, 70% of High Court judges …went to private school, though only 7% of the population do

• Education is an engine of social mobility. But achievement is not balanced fairly - for the poorest fifth in society, 46% have mothers with no qualifications at all. For the richest, it's only 3%

• Parental influence still makes a big difference to a child's education in the UK, especially compared to other countries - in fact in the UK the influence of your parents is as important as the quality of the school - unlike Germany, say, where the school has a much bigger role

• Higher education is not evenly balanced either in terms of aspirations - 81% of the richest fifth of the population think their child will go to university, compared to 53% of the poorest

• … or achievment: 49% of the poorest will apply to university and get in, compared to 77% of the richest

• There is a strong link between a lack of social mobility and inequality - and the UK has both. Only Portugal is more unequal with less social mobility

• If you are at the top, the rewards are high - the top 1% of the UK population has a greater share of national income than at any time since the 1930s

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/may/22/social-mobility-data-charts

For me to even believe in social mobility is a belief in the class system.

[Rincewind]

More ordenary people go on cruises nowadays. They used to be for the society types. They also dressed for dinner in penquin suits and the wife had a different dress every night. Now anyone who has saved their money can go on one and stroll down tpo dinner in shorts. I would expect spme to still dress up and look down at those that don't.

The world is small and the definitions of class has changed. However there are still far too many on the breadline. Many others are in a pretty stable position but it only takes a redundancy and a reduction income to slide down the well being ladder. Age or illness can prevent you climbing back up.

But will they be told? No It won't happen to me will it?

[Saxondale]

Do Birth Certificates still list the father's occupation?

I believe so, I think even wedding certificates list fathers' occupations.

[Zingari]

Do Birth Certificates still list the father's occupation?

It's probably unusual if the name of the father is listed